CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 05:14PM

Nesta99 wrote: »

Id be a bit worried if such advice was given here. There are plenty of articles on the WHO website giving the rationale on why it may not be best practice. From my own experience with working in Healthcare for 15 years is that people can become complacent when wearing masks/gloves without the knowledge or understanding of infection control. I'm sure you have all seen people at delicounters serve up a sandwich and then take money still wearing the gloves - they forget to wash hands or change gloves after. When people personally feel protected then it is often human nature to not to continue thinking of cross contamination to others.

Masks are usually used in a healthcare setting, especially in theatres and the ED to protect the healthcare worker from splashes. As far as filtering out pathogens, well disposable masks are not designed for that and their integrity starts to go after a few minutes. Again people touch the masks to adust them and then proceed to touch their face or other things around them.

It may help in people feeling useful in preventing the spread of disease, they would help if someone has Covid and if they cough or sneeze would catch some of the droplets but not necessarily more than a sleeve or hanky, awareness of proper disposal is needed like with a tissue but the inclination would not to be to discard the mask.

Seems as much a tactic to create some sense of proactive measures by a government rather than a proper defence or effort to sontain the spread.

Its all goes back to the key principles of good hand hygiene, good manners when coughing/sneezing and social distancing. Then proper self isolation with mild cases and following advice of the HSE if moderate or severe cases. Keeping in mind underlying issues and age maybe too if showing symptoms.

My pennys worth...

So those people consider wearing a mask but others not? Given it's a pandemic and we need to break chains of transmission surely it would be in everyones interest to a) not get infected and b) to not spread that infection on.

Wearing PPE is extremely hard. Adds to the attritional nature of this. From a physics standpoint respirators do reduce risk for the wearer. Particularly full face ones with the appropriate filters etc. What are your thoughts on some of the latest studies about the airborne nature of the disease. What are your thoughts on the high percentage of healthcare workers infected here compared to other countries?

I don't disagree with you about people touching their face.That is bad but people touching their face with or without a mask is bad.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/two-metres-not-enough-when-social-distancing-39083182.html

But a new analysis by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the US has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 10-30 metres (33ft-100ft) per second, creating a cloud that can span approximately 7-8 metres (23ft-27ft).

The researchers also warn that droplets can stay suspended in the air for hours, moving along airflow patterns imposed by ventilation or climate-control systems.

Virus particles have already been found in the ventilation systems of hospital rooms of patients with coronavirus, which the team believes could have been carried on "turbulent clouds" of air

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 05:18PM

FVP3 wrote: »

You are most probably wrong. The median age in Africa is 20. Some reports say 19. I assume then that the large majority are below 40. If the herd immunity is to kick in at 60% or so then for most Africans it will be a minor cough, and then the virus stops transmitting.

I know it's hard to believe that the West might fare worse out of this, that African age profile, and Asian competence, will mean they will do better but there it is.

I don't agree. In percentage terms, the West may fare worse but not by a lot IMO. In absolute terms, India, Nigeria, Indonesia etc. will fare far worse given lack of healthcare, lack of containment and population size.

Away With The Fairies · 28-03-2020 05:18PM

How's China doing now? Didn't they lift their restrictions and had new cases of the virus?

We need their help in tackling this and put in the same measures they used.

Harry Palmr · 28-03-2020 05:18PM

Guardian live blog

49s ago
16:17
Powis says that if the government can keep deaths below 20,000 during this epidemic, they will have done well.

Deaths in the UK 1,019. so another 19,000 dead and it's considered a decent outcome.

ACitizenErased · 28-03-2020 05:18PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1243934612231008257?s=20

Jim_Hodge · 28-03-2020 05:18PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Feb 2020 I'd say

Feb. 19 = 19th February.

ZX7R · 28-03-2020 05:19PM

smurf492 wrote: »

Still no sign of the essential business list?

You Will find it on the rte news

Peruvian Flake · 28-03-2020 05:19PM

Been out in the car there, stopped at two checkpoints, Finglas road at Glasnevin cemetery and Whitworth road.

Everyone getting quizzed.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 05:20PM

Downlinz wrote: »

They could be worse with a very stubborn population unwilling to listen to expert guidance.

This made me laugh sorry. There is nobody stubborn here and everyone listened to the advice last week and packed out the parks, beaches and mountains.

When I was in the supermarket had to tell two people to get back please. Their response assured me that they were both ignorant and dangerous.

wakka12 · 28-03-2020 05:25PM

FVP3 wrote: »

..will probably do ok given their age profile.

Neither the developed world or the developing world can handle this virus if it goes past the capacity of the health service.

Both are in the same boat.

However the low median age will probably protect these areas.

Pre existing conditions are just as important as age.People in developing countries generally have much poorer health. About 1 in 3 Sub Saharan African women have hypertension, vs about 20% of people in Ireland. Egypt has the highest level of diabetes on earth, 20% of Egyptian women and 17% of Saudi Arabians are diabetic, vs 5% in Ireland

The highest rates of obesity are generally in the MIddle East, Pacific Islands, and then Mexico, along with the USA

Not to mention the huge number of untreated HIV sufferers throughout Sub Saharan Africa

moonage · 28-03-2020 05:25PM

Nesta99 wrote: »

Id be a bit worried if such advice was given here. There are plenty of articles on the WHO website giving the rationale on why it may not be best practice.

Seems as much a tactic to create some sense of proactive measures by a government rather than a proper defence or effort to sontain the spread.

The science behind face mask usage in a pandemic would seem to contradict the WHO position:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JH04M04eQQ

gifted · 28-03-2020 05:26PM

Neighbours around me heading off in cars, two adults in a car, another neighbour had a chap call round to to do some work on their driveway...this stay at home isn't exactly working....frustrating for the people who are doing what the government asked us but then watching other people for what they want

loughside · 28-03-2020 05:27PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Was there any need to make that text so big? We got it. There are some faulty tests from one Chinese factory. Let's move on.

So did the Irish gov get test samples before they put in an order?
Hopefully better quality than the Test kits that went to spain and czech.

Never a good idea to buy on Alibaba.com

Peruvian Flake · 28-03-2020 05:27PM

gifted wrote: »

Neighbours around me heading off in cars, two adults in a car, another neighbour had a chap call round to to do some work on their driveway...this stay at home isn't exactly working....frustrating for the people who are doing what the government asked us but then watching other people for what they want

What colour jocks was he wearing ?

Spanish Eyes · 28-03-2020 05:28PM

Without wishing to sound condescending or mean minded, I think many of the over 70s who are active and healthy will NOT cocoon at all.

I'm no spring chicken but well under 70 and have stayed in the house the last while with a bit of gardening and a walk early in the morning only.

However, a relative aged 71 with HBP and rheumatoid arthritis took it upon himself to get the bus into town on Thursday, found a barber shop open and had a haircut.

Sorry now, but jayzis I lost the plot with him, but he still doesn't get it. Went off around his town this morning, dropped into the shop for the paper and a lotto ticket etc. etc.

What do we do with that kind of an attitude. Nothing is sinking in at all.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:28PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Fancy your chances of what? You won't find too many old people in Africa.

Surviving the coronovirus.

The average life expectancy in sub-saharan Africa is about 60yo...

But I was putting myself there as an old person ( were I old) so that statistic doesn't matter to my thought experiment. It doesn't mean that nobody is older than 60 by the way.

You'd have a better chance trying your luck over in the gaza strip than Africa tbh!

Do you think the age profile is low because they all die before they get old, or because of a high birth rate? It's more the latter than the former.

Rob A. Bank · 28-03-2020 05:29PM

Authorities in Finland have restricted movement out of Uusimaa, the region that includes the capital, Helsinki, to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

Restrictions came into force at midnight and are expected to remain in force until 19 April, Yle Uutiset reports. They prevent people from entering or leaving Uusimaa, except to work, return home or care for a vulnerable person.

Uusimaa has most of Finland’s 1,025 confirmed coronavirus cases.

The Finnish parliament approved the measures unanimously on Friday night.

Time for us to fence off and isolate Dublin ?

Reinstate the Pale ?

Most of our cases are there !

skellig_rocks · 28-03-2020 05:29PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How's China doing now? Didn't they lift their restrictions and had new cases of the virus?

We need their help in tackling this and put in the same measures they used.

https://www.ft.com/content/4aa35288-3979-44f7-b204-b881f473fca0

Hidden infections challenge China’s claim coronavirus is under control

Hobgoblin11 · 28-03-2020 05:29PM

gifted wrote: »

Neighbours around me heading off in cars, two adults in a car, another neighbour had a chap call round to to do some work on their driveway...this stay at home isn't exactly working....frustrating for the people who are doing what the government asked us but then watching other people for what they want

the West are not China , we don't have the ability to follow rules like them, we thrive because we are individualistic which is the opposite of what we need to be now , expect the worst case scenario

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 05:29PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Without wishing to sound condescending or mean minded, I think many of the over 70s who are active and healthy will NOT cocoon at all.

I'm no spring chicken but well under 70 and have stayed in the house the last while with a bit of gardening and a walk early in the morning only.

However, a relative aged 71 with HBP and rheumatoid arthritis took it upon himself to get the bus into town on Thursday, found a barber shop open and had a haircut.

Sorry now, but jayzis I lost the plot with him, but he still doesn't get it. Went off around his town this morning, dropped into the shop for the paper and a lotto ticket etc. etc.

What do we do with that kind of an attitude. Nothing is sinking in at all.

That barber shop shouldn't have been open.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:30PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

This is the flight from Dublin to China to pickup PPE and other Equipment.

Great bunch of lads.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-03-2020 05:31PM

loughside wrote: »

So did the Irish gov get test samples before they put in an order?
Hopefully better quality than the Test kits that went to spain and czech.

Never a good idea to buy on Alibaba.com

I think you would be better off finding out what cargo is coming back on this aircraft (and the others over the course of the next while)

PaybackPayroll · 28-03-2020 05:31PM

moonage wrote: »

The science behind face mask usage in a pandemic would seem to contradict the WHO position:

They were using face masks during the 1918 pandemic. They weren't 100% sure it was a virus, but they also knew not to mix the sick with the healthy.

There are pictures of all the people wearing masks from back then

shesty · 28-03-2020 05:32PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How's China doing now? Didn't they lift their restrictions and had new cases of the virus?

We need their help in tackling this and put in the same measures they used.

Their new cases are all imported by travellers.Last I saw yesterday, they had no new cases of community transmission.They were announcing plans to close their borders yesterday I believe, not sure from what date

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:32PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Time for us to fence off and isolate Dublin ?

Reinstate the Pale ?

Most of our cases are there !

well the 2KM law, if enforced, is already doing that.

Spanish Eyes · 28-03-2020 05:32PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That barber shop shouldn't have been open.

That was Thursday last, I was just thinking that myself now that you mention it. But there we are. Always one or two under the radar I suppose. That was somewhere in Capel Street I was told. Furriners too lol. I got the whole shebang of the story. I think relative was delighted with himself to have beaten the system.

sheepsh4gger · 28-03-2020 05:33PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

This is the flight from Dublin to China to pickup PPE and other Equipment.

This is what’s waiting

Can't wait for the masks

bb12 · 28-03-2020 05:35PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Without wishing to sound condescending or mean minded, I think many of the over 70s who are active and healthy will NOT cocoon at all.

I'm no spring chicken but well under 70 and have stayed in the house the last while with a bit of gardening and a walk early in the morning only.

However, a relative aged 71 with HBP and rheumatoid arthritis took it upon himself to get the bus into town on Thursday, found a barber shop open and had a haircut.

Sorry now, but jayzis I lost the plot with him, but he still doesn't get it. Went off around his town this morning, dropped into the shop for the paper and a lotto ticket etc. etc.

What do we do with that kind of an attitude. Nothing is sinking in at all.

spose he'll only have his epiphany when he's gasping for his last breath alone in hospital

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:35PM

loughside wrote: »

Never a good idea to buy on Alibaba.com

Yeh, nobody did that. When's your next anti-Chinese screed?

I see the Chinese helping out, meanwhile the Orange buffoon is trying to steal Europe's tech.

kalkat2002 · 28-03-2020 05:35PM

More than a lockdown it looks more like a bank holiday...not serious at all

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03