CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 04:46PM

strawdog wrote: »

Watched a report on Sky News from Johannesburg highlighting how utterly unenforceable any kind of distancing measure is in the the townships even with the army involved and it made my whole being shudder. I mean it's going to get v bad here and other parts of the developed world, but when this thing hits the poor parts of the world it's going to be on another scale.

India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria....

screamer · 28-03-2020 04:47PM

otnomart wrote: »

Five more Countries join Ireland, France... in calling for coronabonds: the three Baltics, Slovakia and Cyprus.
It is a total of 14 Countries now pushing for this.
On the other side: Netherlands, Austria and Germany.
Surely Germany can change their position in the face of this crisis.

I think if they don’t allow this, we’ll see the end of the EU as we know it. Solidarity seems to be in short supply and rather it’s every country for itself. Germany has the most to lose if that happens, so it’ll be interesting to see which side of self preservation they favour

BattleCorp · 28-03-2020 04:47PM

Yester wrote: »

Was that not correct?

Apologies, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.

Yester · 28-03-2020 04:49PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Apologies, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.

No worries. It wasn't my post though. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I see now.

fits · 28-03-2020 04:50PM

loughside wrote: »

In view of the incredibly high error rate of the kits, Spain-- one of the worst-hit by Covid-19, with deaths surpassing over 4,800-- has announced that it is sending back the first batch of Covid-19 testing kits that it received from China.

Aer Lingus are flying out to collect PPE. Not tests.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 04:50PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria....

..will probably do ok given their age profile.

Neither the developed world or the developing world can handle this virus if it goes past the capacity of the health service.

Both are in the same boat.

However the low median age will probably protect these areas.

PaybackPayroll · 28-03-2020 04:51PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

In my non expert opinion, the risk is having a non family unit person sitting in your car and having a go at the controls. Also for the tester - having to sit in a conveyor belt of cars driven by people outside of his family unit - who knows the health of whomever drove it to the centre - what if they coughed all over the dash on the way in?

If I was a tester, I would jack the job in now, in the interests of maintaining the health and safety of my family. If I was due a test, I would refuse to attend, for the same reason.

I cancelled a test because of this. Still got charged €22.

It's crazy to have some stranger crawling around your car, possibly spreading disease. I wonder how frequently they change their gloves and face masks? - Surely these gloves and face masks should be given to the HSE instead?

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 04:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Thank you for that. My wife and I needed that.

I think that for the next 40 years in Italy, they should print the face of one of each deceased health worker on their € bank notes each year.

BanditLuke · 28-03-2020 04:52PM

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1243925483030556677?s=19

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 04:54PM

FVP3 wrote: »

..will probably do ok given their age profile.

Neither the developed world or the developing world can handle this virus if it goes past the capacity of the health service.

Both are in the same boat.

However the low median age will probably protect these areas.

Indeed. However, they will also have many millions of elderly people and/or people with preexisting conditions. Most of these people will have little or no access to any form of medical help or medication, never mind a hospital bed.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 04:58PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1243925483030556677?s=19

That's weird, a silver bullion coin called the Maria Teresa thaler was first minted in 1741.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 04:58PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Indeed. However, they will also have many millions of elderly people and/or people with preexisting conditions. Most of these people will have little or no access to any form of medical help or medication, never mind a hospital bed.

Indeed. However a much younger population could create some kind of herd immunity before it gets out of control in the larger population. If I were old I would fancy my chances more in Africa than Italy right now.

cloudatlas · 28-03-2020 04:59PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'm sorry but there's a big enough Tesco down the road with decent space and airflow.

People cramming into a tiny restaurant to get their hands on some obscure broccoli is just ridiculous.

It all depends whether the store were only letting in a few people at a time had strict social distancing measures in the queue. My local organic shop has implemented measures and less people attend in comparison with the droves of people going to Tesco. Again the 'obscure broccoli' is your own snobbishness.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:02PM

loughside wrote: »

In view of the incredibly high error rate of the kits, Spain-- one of the worst-hit by Covid-19, with deaths surpassing over 4,800-- has announced that it is sending back the first batch of Covid-19 testing kits that it received from China.

Was there any need to make that text so big? We got it. There are some faulty tests from one Chinese factory. Let's move on.

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 05:02PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Indeed. However a much younger population could create some kind of herd immunity before it gets out of control in the larger population. If I were old I would fancy my chances more in Africa than Italy right now.

Really? Maybe at this moment in time, you're right. However, I can't see how India/Nigeria/Pakistan will stop the virus spreading. When it does, and by the time herd immunity has kicked in, I think the mortality rates will be far higher than in Italy. Hope I'm wrong and hope Italy is turning a corner.

ACitizenErased · 28-03-2020 05:02PM

https://twitter.com/WarsontheBrink/status/1243929957170065408?s=20

redarmy · 28-03-2020 05:03PM

A woman (34) has been denied bail after appearing before Dublin district court charged with assault causing harm to a Garda. It is alleged the woman spat in the Garda’s face and threatened to give him Coronavirus during the incident in the city centre last night
@Independent_ie

Wombatman · 28-03-2020 05:04PM

The UK look in bad shape. Could they e hit the same death per day numbers as Italy and Spain? I fear the delay in implementing strict measures could really cost them. Those pictures of people crammed on the tube last week were unbelievable.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1126991/

DOCARCH · 28-03-2020 05:05PM

260 deaths in the UK today. That's really starting to ramp!

BanditLuke · 28-03-2020 05:05PM

redarmy wrote: »

A woman (34) has been denied bail after appearing before Dublin district court charged with assault causing harm to a Garda. It is alleged the woman spat in the Garda’s face and threatened to give him Coronavirus during the incident in the city centre last night
@Independent_ie

Sub human scum.

smurf492 · 28-03-2020 05:05PM

Still no sign of the essential business list?

2Mad2BeMad · 28-03-2020 05:05PM

redarmy wrote: »

A woman (34) has been denied bail after appearing before Dublin district court charged with assault causing harm to a Garda. It is alleged the woman spat in the Garda’s face and threatened to give him Coronavirus during the incident in the city centre last night
@Independent_ie

should be minimum 2 years in prison

otnomart · 28-03-2020 05:05PM

marilynrr wrote: »

The cluster in Lombardy was obviously going unchecked for a long time before it came to light. They think the origin of that outbreak was from local transmission in Munich and it wasn't related to the earlier 3 cases.

In today's news:
Virus introduction in the Netherlands took place ealier than initially thought.

Relevant also for the first cases in Ireland as per Nextstrain:

-the Dublin one was originated via the Netherlands and/or Bavaria (via Italy)
-one from Limerick was originated via England and/or the Netherlands
-second one from Limerick is 100% from the Netherlands
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_country=Ireland

"The Covid-19 disease was already being transmitted among health care workers in Noord-Brabant from as early as Feb. 19, new research reveals—indicating that transmission was occurring over a week before the first case was officially recorded in the Netherlands late last month. According to a survey published Friday by a joint team of Dutch researchers, as many as 86 health care workers in two Noord-Brabant hospitals were infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, more commonly referred to simply as "coronavirus," from late February and into early March."
https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/28/arrival-covid-19-nl-earlier-thought-study-reveals

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:06PM

Anyway I can report that a well known touristy area of Dublin where I live, which was jammed last week, is empty today.

And that's the main reason for the 2KM restriction. It's not really to stop joggers jogging in forests, which won't be policed.

Downlinz · 28-03-2020 05:11PM

Wombatman wrote: »

The UK look in bad shape. Could they e hit the same death per day numbers as Italy and Spain? I fear the delay in implementing strict measures could really cost them. Those pictures of people crammed on the tube last week were unbelievable.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1126991/

They could be worse with a very stubborn population unwilling to listen to expert guidance.

Duke of Url · 28-03-2020 05:11PM

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

This is the flight from Dublin to China to pickup PPE and other Equipment.

This is what’s waiting

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 05:12PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Really? Maybe at this moment in time, you're right. However, I can't see how India/Nigeria/Pakistan will stop the virus spreading. When it does, and by the time herd immunity has kicked in, I think the mortality rates will be far higher than in Italy. Hope I'm wrong and hope Italy is turning a corner.

You are most probably wrong. The median age in Africa is 20. Some reports say 19. I assume then that the large majority are below 40. If the herd immunity is to kick in at 60% or so then for most Africans it will be a minor cough, and then the virus stops transmitting.

I know it's hard to believe that the West might fare worse out of this, that African age profile, and Asian competence, will mean they will do better but there it is.

c montgomery · 28-03-2020 05:13PM

otnomart wrote: »

In today's news:
Virus introduction in the Netherlands took place ealier than initially thought.

Relevant also for the first cases in Ireland as per Nextstrain:

-the Dublin one was originated via the Netherlands and/or Bavaria (via Italy)
-one from Limerick was originated via England and/or the Netherlands
-second one from Limerick is 100% from the Netherlands
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_country=Ireland

"The Covid-19 disease was already being transmitted among health care workers in Noord-Brabant from as early as Feb. 19, new research reveals—indicating that transmission was occurring over a week before the first case was officially recorded in the Netherlands late last month. According to a survey published Friday by a joint team of Dutch researchers, as many as 86 health care workers in two Noord-Brabant hospitals were infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, more commonly referred to simply as "coronavirus," from late February and into early March."
https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/28/arrival-covid-19-nl-earlier-thought-study-reveals

Feb 2020 I'd say

Downlinz · 28-03-2020 05:13PM

https://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

Nice to see it looking so deserted!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 28-03-2020 05:13PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Indeed. However a much younger population could create some kind of herd immunity before it gets out of control in the larger population. If I were old I would fancy my chances more in Africa than Italy right now.

Fancy your chances of what? You won't find too many old people in Africa.

The average life expectancy in sub-saharan Africa is about 60yo...

You'd have a better chance trying your luck over in the gaza strip than Africa tbh!

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03