CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Rob A. Bank · 28-03-2020 02:52PM

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

Zenify · 28-03-2020 02:52PM

Red for Danger wrote: »

Christ! the uk is moving at pace today 260 deaths on the board already!, that seems much faster than France were last week, france Netherlands Belgium seem to be moving at similar pace

It's not looking good for them at all. Some previous posters said we should ask for help from them with ICU beds. I think they are going to be far worse than us with the way they have dealt with it so far. Going by worldometers they have over 3 times as many deaths per population as us.

Downlinz · 28-03-2020 02:53PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1243902520046608384

Things getting serious over there

Ficheall · 28-03-2020 02:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Things seem to be slowing in Spain thankfully. Both numbers down and rate of change under 10%.

One day with a marginally lower value doesn't mean things are slowing down..

Hedgehod55 · 28-03-2020 02:53PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

High on the thanks-whoring but light on any actual facts.

Colour me surprised.

As opposed to your "fact-laden" drivel? Your posts are made up of your uneducated opinion. You're not an expert on the topic. You should defer to the experts on the matter but your massive ego won't allow that, you think you know best. It's embarrassing to watch.

Sean 18 · 28-03-2020 02:54PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

That’s completely daft. If people from the same household remain 2 meters apart when they are out and then go home and carry on as normal, what would that achieve? Does anyone really think that you can spend 23 hours a day keeping 2 meters away from everyone else in the same house. We all don’t live in 6 bed mansions.

It's ridiculous just cause leo is used of living in a mansion

Xertz · 28-03-2020 02:55PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

Well, you're going into unknowable unknowns there. If we let this run wild through the population, without any attempt to manage it at all, you could also be looking at a huge number of deaths and the complete collapse of the country anyway.

The global economy is all in the same boat at the moment. The solutions to this will have to be global, coordinated stimulus. At least at an EU level we have the scale to do that, assuming that the fiscally conservative ideologues can actually think beyond their narrow minded view of financial accounting.

If you look at the only countries that have apparently achieved some progress on this, they have implemented very serious shut downs to prevent transmission.

This thing moves through a population with exponential growth. If you stop the spread, it also stops that run away growth rate and the cases should burn out rather quickly.

Think of it this way:

The virus needs hosts. It's not some bacteria that lurks in the undergrowth. If you starve it of hosts by placing them too far away from each other to get at, then the virus dies.

It's as simple as that. It's a like a fire break in a forest.

The alternative is you completely overwhelm the health system and potentially wipe out a significant % of the country and leave others with potentially long term lung damage. It's not really an acceptable alternative to trying to stop it.

They're aren't really good alternatives to pick from. This isn't some kind of abstract argument like Brexit or something like that. It's a choice between trying to contain something through fire breaks (at very significant cost and disruption) or burning down the whole forest in a wildfire.

One's an unpleasant option, the other has the potential to do untold damage.

Gynoid · 28-03-2020 02:56PM

Wibbs wrote: »

They need boycotting for that idiotic and dangerous stance.

Yeah, feck, we have nct next week, think we will just postpone and get fine or whatever happens when you don't turn up, as it can only be an absolute hub for infections.

Beasty · 28-03-2020 02:56PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

Risteard81 wrote: »

No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.

Risteard81 wrote: »

No he didn't you pillock.

Threadbanned

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 02:57PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

New data has been added to Worldometer. Including the date of each country's first case confirmation.

When Italy and Spain were at the point in time that we are at now (about four weeks since the first confirmed case) they had a fraction of the deaths in this country.

A few of you need to wake up, face reality and stop denying/trivialising this.

Apart from El Duderino being way too harsh over people just going for a walk by themselves, people are not on their high horses - they are simply seeing the reality.

Thank you for pointing out what I should be doing and making assumptions about how and what i think. I invite you to read the first thread on this topic. You might find it enlightening as to what I actually think.

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Originally Posted by Snow Garden View Post
To give people some perspective.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap

CDC estimates that so far in the 2019-2020 flu season there have been at least 26 million flu illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths from flu.

How come ye dont hype up a thread on that?

To give you some perspective, 50% of Europe's population died due to the Black Death. That would be 370 million people in today's numbers. Keeping a close eye on a developing situation involving a new pandemic pathogen isn't panicking or foolish. There is far more panicking and foolishness going on regarding 'climate change' and no one has even died.

Ironic to go from being brow beaten about panicking over nothing to being lambasted for not being serious about the issue and understating it's importance.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-03-2020 02:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Things seem to be slowing in Spain thankfully. Both numbers down and rate of change under 10%.

Spain's official full figures are not released until 11 am Irish time the following day.

What you see on worldometers is confirmed cases so far from some regions in the day.

People keep making this error and then are shocked when the official full figures are released.

hot buttered scones · 28-03-2020 02:58PM

Yester wrote: »

Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

Dunno, but there are plenty of Irish online retailers who will deliver. Also a lot of Supervalus sell the liquid.

Yester · 28-03-2020 03:00PM

hot buttered scones wrote: »

Dunno, but there are plenty of Irish online retailers who will deliver. Also a lot of Supervalus sell the liquid.

Nice one. I'll try supervalu next time I have to shop.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 03:00PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

NCT to resume operations tomorrow - deemed to be an essential service.
Source - Announcement on NCT website.

It clearly isn't. There are inconsistencies in these measures.

RandomName2 · 28-03-2020 03:00PM

Interesting cartoon

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2020 03:01PM

jackboy wrote: »

Yep, that sort of reactive behavior instead of planning has got us where we are today.

Nothing we done got us into this

cefh17 · 28-03-2020 03:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Travellers have been designated a high risk group and as such have been prioritised for testing, etc.
Makes sense when you see the proximity they live together, also they have above average obesity and above average smoking prevalence. All high risk factors.

Where did you read that?

delaad · 28-03-2020 03:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

This is all a bit like waiting for the French at Killala:)
Hope it ends better than that

Nesta99 · 28-03-2020 03:02PM

Nipped in to the local Lidl to grab a few necessities this morning after a stint of nightshifts. Was wearing scrubs and ID as per protocol (fresh so as not to be wearing civvies in to work and then home). One of the staff spotted me in the queue outside and sent me in to the shop, the same when queuing to pay, people stood aside and ushered me to go first. As I was leaving the store people started to applaud and the queue outside did the same. Regardless of the fact that there were far too many about for my liking in general it was a truly lovely moment, tearful almost, to get that appreciation. It was a big motivator after a long few night shifts and I felt a lot less tired and uncomfortable after (hours of wearing full PPEs is one of the most uncomfortable things ive ever experienced especially with the shortage and hence not really being able to remove them in case of no replacements).

I dont work for the HSE as I live close to the border so am with the NHS and the level of preparedness isnt as extensive as in the HSE currently. A lot of the work is clearing the boards still with the EDs of some hospitals closing so all emergencies are being filtered through our place so its is hectic but all people it must be assumed could be a Covid-19 carrier, especially if their issue is respiratory related, which must be disconcerting for patients to be talking to someone that looks like they are straight off an apocalypse movie set.

I dont know if any of those people in the store today would see this but Id like to say thank you!! It really does make a difference to morale.

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 03:03PM

UK's death rate to me looks like up to 50k infected as I think this is running at about 0.5% death rate.

Risteard81 · 28-03-2020 03:04PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.

Unfortunately anyone who points out these immutable facts here is a pariah.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Since when is vaping very hard on the lungs?

Since 5 or so months ago:

Lung Damage From Vaping Resembles Chemical Burns, Report Says

Doctors at the Mayo Clinic examined samples of lung tissue from 17 patients, all of which looked as if the people had been exposed to toxic chemicals, the researchers said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/health/vaping-illnesses.html

sudzs · 28-03-2020 03:05PM

Just about the cocooning, are they really going to stop people on the street if they look over 70 and ask for ID?? Seems nuts. Surely any sensible Guard will be looking for gangs of gougers just hanging around the streets rather than a 71 year old out for his constitutional - within 2 km of his home obviously!

castletownman · 28-03-2020 03:05PM

There is was a traveller in a local supermarket earlier at the deli letting his chap run around the aisles, brushing off customers etc.

Good to see he got his essential potato wedges though.

Dr hoRse · 28-03-2020 03:06PM

MipMap wrote: »

What about Nebulisers, Vetolin.

I suffer from COPD and these work great

These medications work for what we call obstructive lung disease to allow air flow predominantly out of the lungs (which might seem counterintuitive) by working at the level of the larger airways which don't participate in gas exchange (oxygen for carbon dioxide at the molecular level), this takes place in the alveoli (little airway sacs).
In covid the alveoli are damaged by inflammation and full of inflammatory cells and fluid and gunk (think of the inflammation at a skin infection) so gas exchange can't take place in this medium. - Positive pressure (and some other techniques) can keep these small sacs open allowing for gas exchange. It's really a temporising measure until the inflammatory process resolves but is designed to buy the patient time to recover

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 28-03-2020 03:06PM

If posters are going to use terms such as little benefit re: societal restrictions, where is the scientific evidence to back up these statements? And explain the rationale for the reason that it will not work? What are the factors to be considered that will ultimately lead to its failure? It is good to hear all opinions. But in order to promote a debate, people need to outline their thought processes. It is impossible to debate vague statements

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 03:07PM

Well US citizens will be advised to wear masks. I guess that's once they procured them. Wonder if we'll change guidance.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243909759553634305?s=20

Hobgoblin11 · 28-03-2020 03:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

So many covid shuttles, do we stand any chance of defeating this virus ?

BorneTobyWilde · 28-03-2020 03:09PM

USA is finding so many cases, means little though as most of them will never feel any real effects of having the virus. They are just testing 100's of 1000's of people. Their deaths per 100,000 is very low so far.

Xertz · 28-03-2020 03:10PM

We are in an incredibly lucky position right now when you think about it compared to many countries.

We've technology, infrastructure, generally have come from a place were we've got financial fire power both domestically and through the EU and unlike quite a few peer developed countries we have very benign, politically stable governance that is by consensus and most people are on the same page. That is not the case in the US at all, and several other countries suffer from similar issues.

Then we've also got the advantage of a rather logical, generally scientifically literate, engaged, and pragmatic population that isn't buying into massive conspiracy theories or descending into in-fighting and chaos. That wouldn't necessarily have been the case a half century ago.

Of course we're going to come out of this roughed up, hurt, with financial issues and all sorts of things, but we will come out of this and probably in better shape than many places around the world.

Can you imagine trying to even attempt this in a developing country. A shut down might not even be possible. It's quite likely this will end up contained in well developed countries probably by the later half of 2020 while it could still be running relatively unchecked through huge developing countries causing massive death tolls.

I'm hoping the US and a few others manage to pull themselves together and operate in a pragmatic, sane way to deal with this. The indications so far haven't been good and there's a big risk for us if the US goes into total turmoil as we are quite interlinked both economically and socially. That's why I'm looking on with horror. Their partisan fighting is besides the point, it's the lack of leadership, the in-fighting and the sloshing around of conspiracy theories and so on that are really worrying me.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03