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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6662
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    paul71 wrote: »
    Not having enforcement powers and using discretion in executing those powers are 2 different things.

    They don’t have enforcement powers. The required Ministerial Order for the new emergency powers legislation has not been made.


  • #6663
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Only the incredibly stupid cannot see and understand this.

    I just explained in my last post why it is flawed. These people who think they are clever by predicting the envitable outcome are actually the stupid ones who just haven't considered how the situation changes after the outbreak has been controlled.


  • #6664
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Only the incredibly stupid cannot see and understand this.

    And your alternative strategy for flattening the curve?


  • #6665
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    They don’t have enforcement powers. The required Ministerial Order for the new emergency powers legislation has not been made.

    So they can't arrest mouthy teenagers who are not 2 meters apart at the moment?


  • #6666
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Anxiety levels have certainly crept up a notch today.

    Feeling very claustrophobic around now.

    I think we need to be very careful here not to go too far.

    I hope no further measures are implemented

    The way some of ye go on youd swear we were locked up in a tiny little space chill out take it easy relax ans enjoy the time off

    Its not hard find something to keep youre mind busy a game or something of the sort would help


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  • #6667
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Tandey


    inatissy wrote: »
    Yes but she was locked inside for 2 years with less than we have.

    You’d be surprised how little one would have to whinge about without anyone to talk to.


  • #6668
    autumnbelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭autumnbelle


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Just found out the husband of a colleague of mine took his own life yesterday. He leaves behind a wife and six children. Invisible impact of this pandemic is/will be huge.

    Can see this happening with a huge number of people. Rip


  • #6669
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Just found out the husband of a colleague of mine took his own life yesterday. He leaves behind a wife and six children. Invisible impact of this pandemic is/will be huge.

    How do you know it was pandemic-related?


  • #6670
    Dr hoRse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 ✭Dr hoRse


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Just a thought -

    Would decompression units, as used by divers, assist breathing for people with respiratory problems?

    There may be quite a few of these units around, the navy, garda divers, commercial divers, sports divers, etc. surely have access in case of emergency

    Bear in mind that these units allow for various mixes so oxygen level could be increased

    Not really, and I'll try to explain why while keeping it as basic as possible because I don't know your background.
    The word coming from Italy is that they're trying to manage as many people outside of home now with home oxygen cylinders with a relatively low flow rate. This is for mildly hypoxic people not requiring positive pressure ventilation, and the idea is to keep these people out of hospital to reduce spread and contamination, hospitals are being identified as the major spreading factor in Italy and Spain now.
    Those diving units I assume you're talking about are the gas cannisters? which requires normal negative pressure ventilation to draw oxygen, and you need to produce a certain level of negative pressure before you get flow, thats not going to help people unfortunately.
    The positive pressure from a ventilator reduces the work of breathing for a person and prevents small airway and gas exchange units from collapsing, as these units collapse gas exchange becomes increasingly more difficult (the analogy is blowing up a balloon at the start, initially it takes a lot of effort, then as it starts to inflate you're in the sweet spot and you can increase and decrease the volume of air in the balloon with a lot less effort), these lungs are very sick, like a very stiff balloon thats difficult to inflate.


  • #6671
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    paul71 wrote: »
    Not having enforcement powers and using discretion in executing those powers are 2 different things.
    Don't have them as yet, waiting AG to OK it to Simon Harris so he can invoke powers which give effect to additional powers for Gardai.

    Just have to avail of existing Public Order Offences powers till then if needed.


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  • #6672
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    autumnbelle wrote: »
    Can see this happening with a huge number of people. Rip

    Not necessarily related to current measures. Suicide has always been a tragic issue.


  • #6673
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CaoinDory wrote: »
    Who the hell ever stated that this could be done without social or mental issues after the fact? I've not seen one post to that effect.

    Of course this will effect us in those ways! But those are things we cam come back from (speaking from personal experience). Thks virus is KILLING PEOPLE!!!!

    So will an economic catastrophe, with all the addiction, despair, depression, anxiety, suicides, public health deterioration, huge health inequalities and catastrophically underfunded HSE (even more than now) that would go along with that catastrophe. The only question is would that cause more deaths than the Coronavirus. Probably, if the lockdown goes on for more than a month or so


  • #6674
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Oh go preach to Italy and Spain about how important the economy is and see where that gets you. Most humans value human life.

    High on the thanks-whoring but light on any actual facts.

    Colour me surprised.


  • #6675
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    On the list of essential workers...

    I'm willing to bet that all american pharma/medical device companies here will stay open even if they've NOTHING to do with helping the situation. Money money money.

    Of course they should still stay open. People still need their medication, people will still need stents etc


  • #6676
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    They don’t have enforcement powers. The required Ministerial Order for the new emergency powers legislation has not been made.

    Genuine question, why do the provisions of a bill already passed into law need a ministerial order?


  • #6677
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    Weare at what 70 something ICU case with capacity for near 500

    Secondly id glady be remembered as part of a generation that ****ed the economy than part of a generation that sat by and done Nothing as there parents and grand parents died alone in hospital beds,

    **** the economy, **** the government, Let's save as many of our own people as we can, every day people, people you know, loved ones of us all, lifes saved from each and every community in this country means more to the people, the economy can wait


  • #6678
    CaoinDory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭CaoinDory


    niallo27 wrote: »
    You not think mental issues is killing people, I guarantee a lot more young people will die from mental issues in this country than the virus will ever kill.

    I know for a fact mental health can kill. Again from a very VERY personal point of view. And as someone who suffers both depression AND anxiety disorder I know for a fact that this is going to be incredibly hard... but that doesnt mean it shouldn't be done!

    But no one has ever stated otherwise!!! We need to get this thing under control!

    People seem to have forgotten their history. Remember small pox? A virus that wiped out... countless of people! Is that what we want to happen again?

    Just stay at home people. It's not rocket science!


  • #6679
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    The government has to think of the collective good. They have to weigh up the excess deaths, secondary to failure to control the virus (this will include people who die of COVID and people who die from unrelated illnesses as a result of the lack of resources) versus the excess amount of people that will die from mental health issues (i.e. die by suicide) secondary to several weeks of social restrictions. Neither strategy will spare all lives . But we have to make the decision about which option will save the maximum number of lives (failure to restrict the virus could result in an excess of a hundred-thousand lives in the long-run). Social restriction will cause less societal damage. And finally, there was a great article in the Irish Times today. They touted the fact that investors will be interested in Ireland, as a long-term base, if we prove that we act cohesively and logically in a time of disaster


  • #6680
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So will an economic catastrophe, with all the addiction, despair, depression, anxiety, suicides, public health deterioration, huge health inequalities and catastrophically underfunded HSE (even more than now) that would go along with that catastrophe. The only question is would that cause more deaths than the Coronavirus. Probably, if the lockdown goes on for more than a month or so

    The things you talk about are real risks but the coronavirus has the potential to be worse, a lot worse. I don't think anyone is saying there won't be a substantial cost to current measures. The impact will be huge but ultimately the lesser of two evils. There are no easy solutions.


  • #6681
    cosanostra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭cosanostra


    Is our high number of healthcare workers infected due to the initial cases surrounding CUH? if memory serves me right there was an infected person returned from italy who worked in the hospital and infected people there unintentionally of course


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  • #6682
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Weare at what 70 something ICU case with capacity for near 500

    Secondly id glady be remembered as part of a generation that ****ed the economy than part of a generation that sat by and done Nothing as there parents and grand parents died alone in hospital beds,

    **** the economy, **** the government, Let's save as many of our own people as we can, every day people, people you know, loved ones of us all, lifes saved from each and every community in this country means more to the people, the economy can wait

    500?

    I would have thought normally we're at about 80% capacity in ICU outside of covid.

    +70 covid cases. Leaves very little room.


  • #6683
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Yester wrote: »
    Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

    Not being funny but give serious thought that'its time to quit, vaping is very hard on the lungs and if you catch this ****er of a virus that's where it'll be targeting you,


  • #6684
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Two further deaths in NI, 49 new cases:

    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1243903176006303745


  • #6685
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Only the incredibly stupid cannot see and understand this.

    It's a mixture of stupidity and inability to want to recognise the reality.

    The politicians and their advisors can't come out and say it. They just want to be able to say "well, we tried everything".

    Eventually the mood will change after a couple of months of lockdown and the politicians will, as usual, follow the public mood.

    The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.


  • #6686
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    How do you know it was pandemic-related?

    Don’t think the poster said it was related. The pandemic crisis wouldn’t have helped anyway.


  • #6687
    CaoinDory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭CaoinDory


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Probably, if the lockdown goes on for more than a month or so

    If people would do this thing properly, the lock down wouldn't need to last as long... but people wont. Which will draw it out longer!


  • #6688
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Tandey


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It's a mixture of stupidity and inability to want to recognise the reality.

    The politicians and their advisors can't come out and say it. They just want to be able to say "well, we tried everything".

    Eventually the mood will change after a couple of months of lockdown and the politicians will, as usual, follow the public mood.

    The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.

    Ok mister foresight.

    What are you doing to help in this pandemic?

    Don’t be facehugging would be my advice for you.


  • #6689
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Dr hoRse wrote: »
    Not really, and I'll try to explain why while keeping it as basic as possible because I don't know your background.
    The word coming from Italy is that they're trying to manage as many people outside of home now with home oxygen cylinders with a relatively low flow rate. This is for mildly hypoxic people not requiring positive pressure ventilation, and the idea is to keep these people out of hospital to reduce spread and contamination, hospitals are being identified as the major spreading factor in Italy and Spain now.
    Those diving units I assume you're talking about are the gas cannisters? which requires normal negative pressure ventilation to draw oxygen, and you need to produce a certain level of negative pressure before you get flow, thats not going to help people unfortunately.
    The positive pressure from a ventilator reduces the work of breathing for a person and prevents small airway and gas exchange units from collapsing, as these units collapse gas exchange becomes increasingly more difficult (the analogy is blowing up a balloon at the start, initially it takes a lot of effort, then as it starts to inflate you're in the sweet spot and you can increase and decrease the volume of air in the balloon with a lot less effort), these lungs are very sick, like a very stiff balloon thats difficult to inflate.


    What about Nebulisers, Vetolin.


    I suffer from COPD and these work great


  • #6690
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Massive coronary just after I've shot my bolt into a Russian lingerie model. While off my tits on goofballs.

    Nah. You need to copy the great Jon Entwistle - 2 young hookers & a pile of cocaine :pac:


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  • #6691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    I'm telling her I have to walk alone.

    Not a Liverpool fan then?

    I'll get me coat. Wait, where wilI I go?


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