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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6602
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ignoring what he said, there is a serious concern suicides will rocket as people worry how they are going feed their families. This cannot be ignored.
    rusty cole wrote: »
    not entirely to be fair. indoors a long time will drop your Vitamin D. this is linked to mood and has been used to help people with depression, as has special lighting.

    So YES if someone was high risk and volatile, what's to say they wont do it. The word Vulnerable doesn't just mean older or underlying, a lot of people will struggle. It's foolish to dismiss everything people say just because it may not be articulated correctly, he has a point.
    But nobody is denying this. What's the alternative though?

    At least in this day and age there are so many online resources and modes of communication for people to reach out to. I'd say there are counsellors even doing voluntary sessions by video.
    Logan Roy wrote: »
    It’s completely unrealistic. China is already after reopening after 2 months and they had it a lot worse than we did. People need to get a grip, shutting down most of the economy for months on end isn’t feasible.
    I have a grip - a tight one. The Chinese authorities were able to implement a harsh lockdown. That's not possible in democracies - people will continue to go out in close groups. That was stopped in China. Good bit longer than two months also. It's very much phased. And now they're expecting another wave of it from people coming into the country.

    I'd compare Ireland to a western democracy. While I doubt (but don't know either) that it'll get as bad as Italy, two months won't be enough for them - not a hope.


  • #6603
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭This is it


    Yester wrote: »
    Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

    My local shop sells the vape stuff, whatever it's called. I'm not sure if specific vape shops will be open but you'd probably get them elsewhere? I don't know is my answer unfortunately :/


  • #6604
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Yester wrote: »
    Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

    I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you tbh.


  • #6605
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    magma69 wrote: »
    Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

    When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/girl pants now and do your bit.


    Totally agree. Look at Anne Frank able to deal with so much more and just a teenager.


  • #6606
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.


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  • #6607
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Tandey wrote: »
    I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you tbh.

    I see what you did there. I nearly missed it!


  • #6608
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    Were they denied bail in the High Court? That's surprising, and good if true.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0326/1126642-spit/

    District court, cannot see their solicitor wasting time going to the high court on it.


  • #6609
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    magma69 wrote: »
    Felt like I was talking to a child alright.
    People process this differently. As someone said to me earlier it can come at you unexpectedly. Gotta keep the mental side on an even keel!


  • #6610
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    otnomart wrote: »
    That's great, but it is one only plant, isn't it ?

    Think about all the factories still in the UK.
    Factories have been redeployed to produce goods that are useful in this epidemic.

    In France, perfume factories are now producing disinfectants; in Italy, textile factories are now producing hospital gowns and face marks.

    If you don't have many factories on your home soil, you can not redeploy them.

    We have distilleries which have started producing hand Sanitiser

    We have a company producing ventilators

    We gave a manufacturer of Facemasks who the HSE have contracted directly

    We have one company in Donegal producing scrubs for medical personal. Another in the North is doing the same there.

    We have a fair few (plastic) injection moulding companies who could be repurposed to make essential components for medical equipment and PPE

    I'm sure there are others ...

    We are not without resources and skills ...


  • #6611
    darjeeling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, I can see an iterative approach; lockdown, release, repeat. Gradually build up immunity. The vaccine is still a long way off. Hopefully we will find an effective treatment soon.

    Models have shown this method for attaining herd immunity would itself take years, though that's based on current health system capacity.

    Iceland looks to be trying to test, contact-trace and quarantine its way to stamping out the epidemic. That may be the best way.

    But then we'd still have to spend another year waiting for a vaccine while living in a world where no-one can travel abroad without spending 2 weeks quarantined on arrival and again on return.


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  • #6612
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    There's a few of them. Totally sneering at and undermining the seriousness of it. Truly nasty.

    No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.


  • #6613
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks per 20,000 to be infected that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaced by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    Oh go preach to Italy and Spain about how important the economy is and see where that gets you. Most humans value human life.


  • #6614
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks per 20,000 to be infected that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaced by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    Haha I mustn't even have half a brain so.


  • #6615
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    What's the alternative?


  • #6616
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    is_that_so wrote: »
    People process this differently. As someone said to me earlier it can come at you unexpectedly. Gotta keep the mental side on an even keel!
    That is true, but having some perspective is important


  • #6617
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Well, they can feck right off

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1243617774922076167


  • #6618
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.
    Cant tell if this is a google translate fail or literally just vomiting random words from a generator. Hes doing the exact opposite.


  • #6619
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.

    The only people who disagree with the lockdown are idiots who wouldn’t listen to what they were told and continued as normal. They caused the full lockdown we have now.

    Everybody I know has been calling for this full lockdown for a week or two. Leo has done the right thing and only a fool would disagree.


  • #6620
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Still an awful lot of cars on the road in Dublin City Centre for a supposed ‘lockdown’.


  • #6621
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    What's the alternative?

    Ivan Drogo life and health policy while working harder than ever to save the Irish Economy (as the world economy shìts itself anyway)


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  • #6622
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Evangeline Damaged Specimen wrote: »
    The only people who disagree with the lockdown are idiots who wouldn’t listen to what they were told and continued as normal. They caused the full lockdown we have now.

    Everybody I know has been calling for this full lockdown for a week or two. Leo has done the right thing and only a fool would disagree.
    Even the guy who usually does absolutely whatever he wants, sees the necessity for these restrictions.


  • #6623
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭This is it


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.

    Trying to keep people away from each other to slow/avoid the spread of a highly contagious and deadly virus is "anti-life"?


  • #6624
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    chooseusername wrote: »
    And, he spelled his name wrong!

    No he didn't you pillock.


  • #6625
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Still an awful lot of cars on the road in Dublin City Centre for a supposed ‘lockdown’.

    Are there any Garda checkpoints? Quite a few reports of them around the city


  • #6626
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Garda checkpoints, 2km exclusion zones and the like do give the impression we are even more restricted and it adds to people's anxieties.

    Well we will just have to put up with it, we're not used to it and are quite relaxed. I was in Naples last September and it seemed there was an armed soldier on every street corner, when I asked locals about this, they just shrugged and said it was normal for them.


  • #6627
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Ivan Drogo life and health policy while working harder than ever to save the Irish Economy (as the world economy shìts itself anyway)

    That's the point.

    We are so reliant on the Global economy anyway, what would be left to save of the Irish one if we went on the solo run that people here want us to?


  • #6628
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    magma69 wrote: »
    Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

    When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/girl pants now and do your bit.

    Not too long ago, it was 80 years ago. Suck it up, you do know people react differently to ever situations. I hate this saying, do you say the same about people with depression, they should man up and suck it up.


  • #6629
    CaoinDory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭CaoinDory


    It's funny. So many ppl before were claiming WHO hadn't asked for a lockdown and so it wasnt necessary so eff off.

    Now it's been confirmed by WHO (and multiple health care workers right here on this thread) and they are still managing to come up with excuses as to why it's not necessary.

    A-holes will be a-holes I suppose. I bet these are the same a-holes who decide it's perfectly fine to go swimming I'm the sea during orange and red weather alerts. They dont care about the lives they put at risk... once they get to do what they want to do. Hopefully this virus will wipe them out... like they deserve!


  • #6630
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Tandey


    inatissy wrote: »
    Totally agree. Look at Anne Frank able to deal with so much more and just a teenager.

    Anne Fank did die as a 15 year old teenager from a disease. However it was Completely different time and environment. Not comparable to a whinger on a Irish message board in 2020.


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  • #6631
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Keep going with more of this please. It'll help you get banned from this thread, as you have been banned from others, all the sooner.

    I'm entitled to hold opposing views to yours whether you like that or not.


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