CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Alun · 28-03-2020 12:05PM

froog wrote: »

also it seems a lot of people missed a very troubling comment in the middle of all this - leo said pharmacies will be able to give out medicine past it's sell by/use by dates.

No he didn't. He said that pharmacies were being allowed to dispense medications on the foot of expired prescriptions which would normally require a visit to the doctor to get renewed. And at the discretion of the pharmacist.

namloc1980 · 28-03-2020 12:06PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

They staying open?

Yes. Essential service along with banks and credit unions.

Gynoid · 28-03-2020 12:06PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

An online friend of mine in America with terminal brain cancer got this letter from her hospital. She’s 40. I hope things don’t get bad in her home state and that she doesn’t catch coronavirus. Shit like that is just so scary. To see it written starkly like that is so shocking. I understand the rationale but holy living fuck. And she’s a pretty long-term survivor so she could have a few more years left.

Ah Christ, a cruel letter for her.

28-03-2020 12:08PM

530 pages, multiple threads and people still don't appear to understand how transmission of the virus happens.

You don't need to be touching an infected person to get infected folks. Transmission can happen through inanimate objects.

kilkenny31 · 28-03-2020 12:08PM

seamus wrote: »

I think so, the rampant capitalism that allowed for the outsourcing of everything will rein back in. There was a school of thought which believed that a primarily service-oriented economy was a "more evolved" one, but clearly when you lack direct access to manufacturing facilities, then you may be crippled when a global emergency hits.

This was due anyway - the carbon cost of manufacturing everything in China and shipping it around the world was enormous.

For countries in the EU, this will present a good opportunity to build decent local manufacturing bases. Every country doesn't need to be individually self-sufficient.

If we weren't an EU member right now, we'd be in serious ****. We'd be food secure, but running out of almost everything else.

Agreed the EU needs to pull together and be strategic. We can continue to buy our non essential crap from China like Christmas lights and toy soilders. The the chineese government also need to accept some responsibility for this outbreak, in a globalised world every country needs to accept it has a responsibility to the people of the world.

otnomart · 28-03-2020 12:08PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

If the eurozone doesn't come up trumps this time around or if Germany drags its heels and their obsession about inflation prevents the Eurozone from taking drastic measures then Ireland and smaller countries will seriously have to consider exiting the eurozone. I think it's clear the the Euro was a mistake. Too many different economies at different stages of growth being dictated to by the needs of one economy.

Personally, I do not agree that the Euro was a mistake.
However, if all European Countries do not realise that this is the most serious crisis since WW2 (and the EC was created to avoid just that: a repeat of WW2) and that this crisis needs to be overcome with extraordinary meaures, the EU will die.

Strong article by former ECB Chief on FT (this FT article is free to read):

We face a war against coronavirus and must mobilise accordingly https://www.ft.com/content/c6d2de3a-6ec5-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 12:09PM

wadacrack wrote: »

The PPE is not anywhere near good enough, Have a look at an Irish Healthcare worker compared to one in China. Its not good enough and they should have planned for this in January

Do you remember that 2nd press conference announcing the number of infections, which were in single digits, mind, when they said they were not expecting any significant increase in numbers?

Kermit.de.frog · 28-03-2020 12:09PM

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

namloc1980 · 28-03-2020 12:10PM

froog wrote: »

also it seems a lot of people missed a very troubling comment in the middle of all this - leo said pharmacies will be able to give out medicine past it's sell by/use by dates. odd thing to say unless he's expecting a mass shortage of essential medicines very soon.

No he didn't. Christ almighty, people just have no common sense. He said they can give out medicine on out of date "prescriptions" so people don't need to go to the doctor etc. Use your brains people please.

khalessi · 28-03-2020 12:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

online payment only
will drop food at front door ring bell and walk away for contactless delievery

Hobgoblin11 · 28-03-2020 12:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Hazmat suit time

namloc1980 · 28-03-2020 12:11PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Pay online/over the phone when ordering. Delivery person will leave food at the door.

sterz · 28-03-2020 12:11PM

Doesn't appear to be much of a change in attitude this morning by the looks of things. People still going around in groups and totalling dismissing the message sent out last night.

Roger_007 · 28-03-2020 12:12PM

kingtiger wrote: »

€500 on the spot fine for people who don't have a valid reason to be out

Totally unenforceable. It’s not backed by any legislation and it would be very difficult to pass a law which would have to list all the valid reasons why a person might be out. Even then a person can state any reason and the Gardai have no way of verifying it.

28-03-2020 12:13PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You don't need to be touching an infected person to get infected folks. Transmission can happen through inanimate objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRzOK0YUVfs

eagle eye · 28-03-2020 12:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

You were talking about your delight with more card less cash the other day and now you have to ask this?

kingshankly · 28-03-2020 12:15PM

Wouldn’t ya just love to see the cops here adopt the Indian approach and start beating young ones with sticks 😂 then charge to watch the videos would pay for all this mess😂

otnomart · 28-03-2020 12:15PM

Another reminder that the virus does not spare the young.
There is an 18 year old in Italy fighting for his life - right now.
https://www.cremonaoggi.it/2020/03/27/mattia-intubato-18-anni-messaggio-alla-mamma-lottero/

kilkenny31 · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

otnomart wrote: »

Personally, I do not agree that the Euro was a mistake.
However, if all European Countries do not realise that this is the most serious crisis since WW2 (and the EC was created to avoid just that: a repeat of WW2) and that this crisis needs to be overcome with extraordinary meaures, the EU will die.

Strong article by former ECB Chief on FT (this FT article is free to read):

We face a war against coronavirus and must mobilise accordingly https://www.ft.com/content/c6d2de3a-6ec5-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

The financial outcome of this is not really and EU issue it's a eurozone and ECB issue. They have to act.

owlbethere · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

The CladdaghCam shows Galway's shop street deserted. There's a few people walking when I was watching and definitely social distancing taking place when I was watching. Very quite for the most part.

Lundstram · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1243871717879144450?s=20

What a thoughtful young lady.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

sterz wrote: »

Doesn't appear to be much of a change in attitude this morning by the looks of things. People still going around in groups and totalling dismissing the message sent out last night.

Wibbs · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

seamus wrote: »

I think so, the rampant capitalism that allowed for the outsourcing of everything will rein back in. There was a school of thought which believed that a primarily service-oriented economy was a "more evolved" one, but clearly when you lack direct access to manufacturing facilities, then you may be crippled when a global emergency hits.

This was due anyway - the carbon cost of manufacturing everything in China and shipping it around the world was enormous.

For countries in the EU, this will present a good opportunity to build decent local manufacturing bases. Every country doesn't need to be individually self-sufficient.

If we weren't an EU member right now, we'd be in serious ****. We'd be food secure, but running out of almost everything else.

+1000. We need to make more things more locally. relying on China as we in the West have increasingly done is very unwise. Particularly when it's an insular, us first, regime(and to a great degree culture) like China. I read an American view on this and it applies to here and the EU too. He put it like this: We're in a "war" at the moment, but in times like that no nations military would rely on outsourcing the manufacturing of bullets to another nation. Ireland should definitely up its production of pharmaceuticals across the board and not just in relation to this crisis. We're already in that game and should run with that positive.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

An online friend of mine in America with terminal brain cancer got this letter from her hospital. She’s 40. I hope things don’t get bad in her home state and that she doesn’t catch coronavirus. Shit like that is just so scary. To see it written starkly like that is so shocking. I understand the rationale but holy living fuck. And she’s a pretty long-term survivor so she could have a few more years left.

yeah and though they say they'll make decisions on clinical opinion, rather than financial etc, you can bet in an extremely two tier health service, non social medicine setup like America those decisions will be a lot simpler for the rich.

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

otnomart wrote: »

Another reminder that the virus does not spare the young.
There is an 18 year old in Italy fighting for his life - right now.
https://www.cremonaoggi.it/2020/03/27/mattia-intubato-18-anni-messaggio-alla-mamma-lottero/

Do we really need this, people are worried enough.

RoryMac · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Would've thought it was fairly obvious you could pay when ordering and food left at the door?!

namloc1980 · 28-03-2020 12:16PM

kingshankly wrote: »

Wouldn’t ya just love to see the cops here adopt the Indian approach and start beating young ones with sticks 😂 then charge to watch the videos would pay for all this mess😂

Did you see the video of the police on Brazil clearing a beach? Shooting people at point blank range with non lethal rounds. Unreal.

homah_7ft · 28-03-2020 12:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It can be done online.

Perfect, make doing the lotto it online only.

namloc1980 · 28-03-2020 12:19PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Would've thought it was fairly obvious you could pay when ordering and food left at the door?!

Yes indeed. Unfortunately common sense and obvious solutions to problems seem to be gone completely out the door. Staying at home seems to be affecting people's brains to think logically.

otnomart · 28-03-2020 12:19PM

otnomart wrote: »

It can be done.
Italy is flying many patients from the North to other Regions that have more capacity in ICU.The Air Force use special biohazard trolleys (I posted this photo earlier).
France has also transferred some patients from Corsica to Marseille by Military ship.

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.

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https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

khalessi · 28-03-2020 12:20PM

otnomart wrote: »

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

UK are overrun

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03