CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

frillyleaf · 28-03-2020 09:39AM

cnocbui wrote: »

This 'meet' thing needs to be put in perspective - it's passing someone else who is at least 3m away and the time spent even that far away is 2 seconds or less.

The chances of infection via that route are zero, none, not going to happen, beyond vanishingly small. It's in the same league of ludicrousness as the danger of the hedges being coated in virus and me going and licking them for fun.

Because those are actually practical things that can and will mitigate against the risk of becoming infected, whereas walking further than 2k on a thoroughly deserted country road isn't.

I could choose to walk a different route that would actually comply with the 2k limit. I would possibly, and likely, encounter far more people than taking a 4k walk on the other route. But that's ok, isn't it, because then I'm a dutiful, obedient little drone, slavishly complying with the rules, right? Anyone who lives in an urban area who goes for a 2k walk is going to encounter more people than I would walking for 4k. But that's following the rules, so it's fine. But this isn't about the actual realities of risk or endangerment of others, it's about me saying I'm going to break the precious rules. It's about non-conformity, not risk or endangerment of others.

I say I'm going to break the precious rules and it's: 'but think of all the nurses you will kill, you self entitled sanctimonious, selfish prick. But if I say I'm going to walk the more populated 2k route, and keep within the rules, it's: 'good on ya, mate, nice to see you doing the right thing, thinking of the nurses and sticking to the rules.'

I think the rules are just easier to enforce when people stick to where they are meant to. While you sound responsible there are plenty others that really lack common sense. We saw how packed some of the hotspots are so I say this is remove that added headache for resources.

You’d also have some people going to completely isolated areas unnecessarily. This also sucks from resources if something happens. Eg car accident, personal accident, etc. So I say they are just trying to minimise resources being used in situations like that also.

The less you less your house the less this above situations will arise. Personally I think the 2km is great to be able to still have so will not take it for granted as even that could be gone soon.

Is also easier to ban people meeting full stop. A lot of people were taking this seriously but many weren’t and still meeting people outdoors etc and keeping the two meter distance. I know of a tennis club that was still opening it’s courts and adults were defending that saying there is no contact - they were all using same toilet, using the same gate, not to mention the balls being handled and passed to each other. It’s easier to just say no one is to meet at all instead of trying to expect some people to be responsible because many are not

Wibbs · 28-03-2020 09:41AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I think the rules are just easier to enforce when people stick to where they are meant to. While you sound responsible there are plenty others that really lack common sense. We saw how packed some of the hotspots are so I say this is remove that added headache for resources.

Yeah, Cnocbui has thought about this, but has made the fatal error in thinking others, well, think.

threeball · 28-03-2020 09:42AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Aye, it's a scary stat alright. Laughing about the "fat Yanks" is ironic and hypocritical.

Older demographic and higher industrial pollution and more spread among closer knit family groups? Like this evil pox I suppose.

In fairness, being obese in America is on a whole other scale. Obese here is a very loose term. I had a mate who played inter county hurling, wasn't a pick on him but was heavy due to muscle. He was classified as obese in Ireland however due to his height to weight ratio. Nearly all rugby players fall into the same category

daheff · 28-03-2020 09:43AM

overkill602 wrote: »

listening to the news people still on cruses WTF after the many Feb cruse ship outbreaks some people are beyond reach

A lot of this is because people had paid for holiday, Government has not told travel operators to cancel, so people can't get their money back. People probably think
a)I've paid so not wasting the money

if it's not been cancelled it must be ok to go.

Cilldara_2000 · 28-03-2020 09:43AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Just watched some of Simon Harris's Q&A specifically targeted at children from RTE News Now on YouTube. On a day when he started with speaking to Pat Kenny about the situation, was no doubt heavily involved in discussions and meetings all day, attended the press conference this evening and was tweeting close to midnight both thanking people for their effort and reminding them to keep it up he still found some time to record the copy for the broadcast.
And, the comments are turned off on YouTube for that particular video while other videos from RTE relating to the virus have comments open.

I find it somewhat upsetting that given all the above, some people would use a children's video on YouTube to spout some bile or nonsense leading to them being closed.

This episode we are experiencing is showing many people to be heroes, it is also showing some others (vastly the minority I believe thankfully) to be severely deficient in some part of their lives.

Nothing to do with them being afraid of bile, YouTube banned comments on videos for children on account of perverts using cryptic comments to communicate.

Daz_ · 28-03-2020 09:44AM

daheff wrote: »

A lot of this is because people had paid for holiday, Government has not told travel operators to cancel, so people can't get their money back. People probably think
a)I've paid so not wasting the money
if it's not been cancelled it must be ok to go.

And C : people are stupid

Jin luk · 28-03-2020 09:45AM

threeball wrote: »

In fairness, being obese in America is on a whole other scale. Obese here is a very loose term. I had a mate who played inter county hurling, wasn't a pick on him but was heavy due to muscle. He was classified as obese in Ireland however due to his height to weight ratio. Nearly all rugby players fall into the same category

The BMI scale.

Cilldara_2000 · 28-03-2020 09:46AM

It will be interesting to see how much office work will be permitted on Monday. We deal with some old fashioned business customers who still pay be cheque and are due payments on Monday. If they can't get into the office, we won't be able to pay any staff for anything done at home or otherwise.

dan786 · 28-03-2020 09:47AM

Some businesses will NO longer be able to open as normal and will instead only be allowed offer an emergency call-out or delivery services.

They include, opticians, motor repair and bicycle repair outlets.

Hardware stores are also to have their opening hours restricted to call-out or delivery.

Farm equipment sellers and gardening, farming or agricultural supply stores must also limit their operation to call-out and delivery.

A similar restriction now also applies to electrical stores.

Kivaro · 28-03-2020 09:47AM

Watching news reports this morning on various channels from all around the world, why is it that I'm seeing spraying being done on a massive scale in other countries, but haven't seen anything similarly being done here in Ireland. How come?

Apologies if this question was already asked in this fast-moving thread.

threeball · 28-03-2020 09:48AM

daheff wrote: »

A lot of this is because people had paid for holiday, Government has not told travel operators to cancel, so people can't get their money back. People probably think
a)I've paid so not wasting the money
if it's not been cancelled it must be ok to go.

Why do people want the government to wipe their hole for them. Are their brains so redundant that they can't make a sensible decision without being told or is it just the usual abdicating responsibility and blame someone else

Cilldara_2000 · 28-03-2020 09:49AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Watching news reports this morning on various channels from all around the world, why is it that I'm seeing spraying being done on a massive scale in other countries, but haven't seen anything similarly being done here in Ireland. How come?

Apologies if this question was already asked in this fast-moving thread.

However, misting sanitizer in the air or on the street is likely ineffective, because the virus isn't airborne and people don't touch the street that often.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sanitation-disinfection-around-the-world-in-photos-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

Don't lick the road, be healthy.

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2020 09:50AM

Should people be going for a walk with the kids?
As long as its within 2 k of the home,
As I seen when exercise was mentioned it said breif individual exercises

shinzon · 28-03-2020 09:51AM

threeball wrote: »

Why do people want the government to wipe their hole for them. Are their brains so redundant that they can't make a sensible decision without being told or is it just the usual abdicating responsibility and blame someone else

Basically Yes

Shin

DOCARCH · 28-03-2020 09:52AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Watching news reports this morning on various channels from all around the world, why is it that I'm seeing spraying being done on a massive scale in other countries, but haven't seen anything similarly being done here in Ireland. How come?

I think, in the main, it's optics! It would be impossible to spray/disinfect all surfaces in the public realm and in any case, transfer of the virus is mainly person to person.

Similar to the optics of taking temperatures at airports!

Cilldara_2000 · 28-03-2020 09:52AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Should people be going for a walk with the kids?
As long as its within 2 k of the home,
As I seen when exercise was mentioned it said breif individual exercises

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

Stay up to date with factual information through the official channels.

In this case:

Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations:
...
to take brief individual physical exercise within your locality, which may include children from your household within 2 kilometres of your home and adhering to strict 2 metre social distancing measures
...

Wibbs · 28-03-2020 09:53AM

threeball wrote: »

In fairness, being obese in America is on a whole other scale. Obese here is a very loose term. I had a mate who played inter county hurling, wasn't a pick on him but was heavy due to muscle. He was classified as obese in Ireland however due to his height to weight ratio. Nearly all rugby players fall into the same category

You could say similar of American Football players T. Sure some healthy men who are very muscled(and shorter) have a BMI that strays into obese, but the vast majority of those measured as obese are not intercounty GAA lads or rugby lads, they're simply overweight. Vanishingly few women with overweight BMI's would fit that muscle height/weight category either. In essence if your BMI is over 25, you're far more likely to be fat than muscled. If it's over thirty and it's muscle, you've just won Mr Universe without trying.

facehugger99 · 28-03-2020 09:53AM

voluntary wrote: »

Americans are fuc.ed

The Irish are one of the most obese nations in the world.

iwillyeah1234 · 28-03-2020 09:54AM

Hopkins - breached the 600k mark

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Looks like we’re on that exponential graph.

JustAThought · 28-03-2020 09:54AM

there wont be a fish left in the sea or bees or wildlife anywhere if the poison the water and air with chemicals and bleach.Where so they think the run off for these chemicals go?

threeball · 28-03-2020 09:54AM

shinzon wrote: »

Basically Yes

Shin

Heard a young wan one rte crying about getting home yesterday from abroad. Her government had abandoned her and it hurt.

No mention that she had the guts of a month to either not go or get back. People like that sicken my hole.

DOCARCH · 28-03-2020 09:54AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Should people be going for a walk with the kids?
As long as its within 2 k of the home,
As I seen when exercise was mentioned it said breif individual exercises

Yes, but just one parent....that's the 'individual' bit.

GM228 · 28-03-2020 09:54AM

Trump invoking the Defence Production Act and using a Presidential Order to use GM to produce ventilators, did he not recently say he didn't need them?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243559373395410957?s=19

timmy_mallet · 28-03-2020 09:55AM

Restriction rule; You need something from your office to work on Monday and for the forseeable. With Leo's restrictions, would you go to the office right now to get it?

tromtipp · 28-03-2020 09:56AM

Sweet suffering Jesus, walk the first 2 km of your favoured route, turn round and walk back. If you need to, repeat. It really isn't difficult.

During the Foot and Mouth epidemic we all* stopped walking in the countryside from early February until early May - it was difficult, but we managed it.

*Many of us.

cnocbui wrote: »

I could choose to walk a different route that would actually comply with the 2k limit. I would possibly, and likely, encounter far more people than taking a 4k walk on the other route. But that's ok, isn't it, because then I'm a dutiful, obedient little drone, slavishly complying with the rules, right? Anyone who lives in an urban area who goes for a 2k walk is going to encounter more people than I would walking for 4k. But that's following the rules, so it's fine. But this isn't about the actual realities of risk or endangerment of others, it's about me saying I'm going to break the precious rules. It's about non-conformity, not risk or endangerment of others.

I say I'm going to break the precious rules and it's: 'but think of all the nurses you will kill, you self entitled sanctimonious, selfish prick. But if I say I'm going to walk the more populated 2k route, and keep within the rules, it's: 'good on ya, mate, nice to see you doing the right thing, thinking of the nurses and sticking to the rules.'

sideswipe · 28-03-2020 09:57AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

That shocked me! Poeple....Irish people....still on cruises! FFS!

On this one AFAIK: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52072703

I read somewhere about 3 & 4 month world cruises knocking around the South Pacific with nobody willing to let them dock. They are carrying on as normal with no C virus on board. Perhaps it will be up to them to repopulated the planet when we are gone, I sure hope Doug from Wisconsin can still get it up.

Jin luk · 28-03-2020 09:58AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

Hopkins - breached the 600k mark

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Looks like we’re on that exponential graph.

Its after going up over 100000 in just over 24hours

c montgomery · 28-03-2020 09:58AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Watching news reports this morning on various channels from all around the world, why is it that I'm seeing spraying being done on a massive scale in other countries, but haven't seen anything similarly being done here in Ireland. How come?

Apologies if this question was already asked in this fast-moving thread.

My workplace was sprayed after someone displayed multiple symptoms

I guess it's limited to places where deemed necessary

frillyleaf · 28-03-2020 10:00AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah, Cnocbui has thought about this, but has made the fatal error in thinking others, well, think.

I have no doubt that people would be still going to bray head, Lahinch etc in their droves this weekend and it just adds to pressure on the resources we don’t have at the moment.

Admittedly up until yesterday I still went to beaches and outdoor areas but not anywhere that was busy and not anywhere that had cramped car parks for example. Only went to places safe from a social distancing point of view as I’m terrified of questioning if I could have done more if someone in my family gets it.

I don’t want to live with “did that cause them to get it, would they have been ok if I didn’t go to x place that day, could I have done more to protect them” etc

I even avoid going to shops and petrol stations now unless I really have to. Just out of fear of passing it to someone I love. Not even just older people, we don’t know if it causes long term damage to children. Its a new disease and that is enough to put the fear into me! But not in a panic way

Get Real · 28-03-2020 10:00AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

I think, in the main, it's optics! It would be impossible to spray/disinfect all surfaces in the public realm and in any case, transfer of the virus is mainly person to person.

Similar to the optics of taking temperatures at airports!

I think so too. Fair enough I see in some countries them wiping hand rails etc or targeting specific surfaces.

But indiscriminate spraying of road surfaces is probably useless and pure optics. Look at the type of countries doing it too:

Brazil, Turkey, Myanmar, Mexico, Colombia, China, Syria, Ukraine, Thailand. Pictures of spraying pavements. Some of these countries have questionable regimes and murky transparency and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just water in some of them!

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03