Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

The Megaphone · 28-03-2020 01:04AM

Like Discovery and Star Trek: Nemesis, I won't be watching this again!

A few things that irritated me:

Super Spy Oh blowing her cover to lead the mission to destroy the synth planet; surely there'll always be a risk of someone else in the federation developing artificial life and wouldn't a deep cover agent like Oh be interested in maintaining access to the federation's other secrets?

How did Riker and the fleet get there so quickly - hasn't only a day passed since Picard and the gang traveled through the Borg conduit? From what I remember they traveled about 26/27 light years through the conduit; so based on the Voyager's 70,000 light years = 70 years, this works out about 10 days travel at maximum warp from Nepenthe?

And why would Riker hold the rank of 'Acting' Captain? Surely some sort of special dispensation or battlefield commission would have been arranged to afford him the rank of Admiral given he's been given responsibility for a hundred or so starships?

When Narek made the play to his sister that she needed to stay behind to get the Borg weapons back working, I was expecting to see a 'Gun on Ice Planet Zero' moment but like so many things in this series, nothing materialised! Oh well!!

Samuel T. Cogley · 28-03-2020 08:27AM

Planet Serialisation pattern number 5. Had me thinking of:

Kirby · 28-03-2020 08:31AM

pah wrote: »

Just looking at another source and it referenced Nareks exposition piece where he days" when our ancestors arrived on Vulcan, blah blah blah...."

I hadn't copped it myself at the time but Christ that is poor in terms of continuity, script writing and proofing

Aren't Romulans offshoots of the Vulcan race? I haven't watched TNG in a while but my understanding is that the Romulans were originally Vulcans who left the planet. Isn't that the whole reason why Spock tried to bridge the gap between them?

73bc61lyohr0mu · 28-03-2020 08:35AM

One thing that really annoyed me and stood out was the scene in a few episodes back with the Borg being ejected into space. Everyone went on as if they were dead and defeated. Yet in First Contact they're wandering about in space on the deflector dish building a sub space beacon. Not a bother on them..

73bc61lyohr0mu · 28-03-2020 08:38AM

Also, I can't wait for the return of The Orville. It's better star trek than star trek itself..

Kirby · 28-03-2020 08:49AM

Orion Polite Bongo wrote: »

One thing that really annoyed me and stood out was the scene in a few episodes back with the Borg being ejected into space. Everyone went on as if they were dead and defeated. Yet in First Contact they're wandering about in space on the deflector dish building a sub space beacon. Not a bother on them..

Yeh that struck me as really odd. It was the first thing that popped into my mind as well.

Stark · 28-03-2020 08:54AM

Kirby wrote: »

Aren't Romulans offshoots of the Vulcan race? I haven't watched TNG in a while but my understanding is that the Romulans were originally Vulcans who left the planet. Isn't that the whole reason why Spock tried to bridge the gap between them?

Yes that's correct.

Evade · 28-03-2020 10:26AM

I looked up Chabon's history on IMDB, this is only his second credit as a producer which probably explains a lot.

pixelburp · 28-03-2020 10:50AM

Evade wrote: »

I looked up Chabon's history on IMDB, this is only his second credit as a producer which probably explains a lot.

Hi bibliography though is pretty strong, so it does suggest good novelists don't necessarily make for good TV producers. It's a pity because it was Chabon's presence at the outset that made me think this might give this series stronger character and structure. They kinda have been in places, but still surrounded by cheap emotional storytelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chabon_bibliography

AMKC · 28-03-2020 11:09AM

Orion Polite Bongo wrote: »

One thing that really annoyed me and stood out was the scene in a few episodes back with the Borg being ejected into space. Everyone went on as if they were dead and defeated. Yet in First Contact they're wandering about in space on the deflector dish building a sub space beacon. Not a bother on them..

Yes that true but maybe they can only survive in space for a certain time before they die. There was talk about in in one of the threads here somewhere. Maybe someone else can post a link to it. Still space is very big and if you were floating in space you would be very small.

Johnny Storm · 28-03-2020 01:30PM

I enjoyed this episode very much. Not perfect by any means but what is?

The_Wanderer · 28-03-2020 01:40PM

Orion Polite Bongo wrote: »

Also, I can't wait for the return of The Orville. It's better star trek than star trek itself..

My thoughts exactly. It has the tone, style and pace of the trek that we all know and love. It really could be the Federation in the 25th Century.

Evade · 28-03-2020 02:59PM

If you wanted to be charitable you could think the Romulans twisted the history a bit so the Romulans are the progenitors of the Vulcans but it being a mistake or retcon seems more likely.

Stark · 28-03-2020 03:03PM

He could have been referring to when Sargon's species arrived on Vulcan

Goodshape · 28-03-2020 07:22PM

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)

Bobtheman · 28-03-2020 07:27PM

The_Wanderer wrote: »

My thoughts exactly. It has the tone, style and pace of the trek that we all know and love. It really could be the Federation in the 25th Century.

Jesus no. It has some good episodes but its pretty bland a lot of the time. There isnt a decent actor among them. They are all just poor STNG rip offs. STNG had way better story telling than the Orville. Way better actors. I think what you guys miss is the story of the week idea. Its something I miss-everything is a bloody story arc now . I do agree though that TREK needs a dose of optimism. There is too much darkness in the real world that we could use some optmism in the trek verse.
But not the ORVILLE-even if the second in command is hot! She had one epiosode with her baps hanging out. God I could not concentrate!

28-03-2020 08:08PM

Goodshape wrote: »

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)

That has the head of the old woman over the Founders.

Goodshape · 28-03-2020 09:01PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That has the head of the old woman over the Founders.

Same actor - and confusingly similar makeup!

pixelburp · 28-03-2020 09:05PM

Goodshape wrote: »

Same actor - and confusingly similar makeup!

Somewhere, deep in the bowels of fan fiction, they're the same character. You know it.

moonlighting_1 · 28-03-2020 09:09PM

What was the deal with Picard saying he loved Data.
It sounded kinda gay.
Two good friends don't say that kinda stuff to each other.
Was it meant in a gay way. Genuine question folks.

Stark · 28-03-2020 09:12PM

That's one of those cases were TOS canon and TNG era canon seem to differ (one of many). TOS speculated on an ancestor race that travelled to various planets, colonised the planets and then diverged from there. (Which would fit Narek's narrative). TNG had an originator species that inserted their DNA into the DNA of species already native to the worlds in order to steer their evolution towards a humanoid form.

corkie · 28-03-2020 09:15PM

Goodshape wrote: »

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That has the head of the old woman over the Founders.

Goodshape wrote: »

Same actor - and confusingly similar makeup!

Salome Jens

28-03-2020 09:18PM

pixelburp wrote: »

The point all along of Picard was, it turns out, Data. A big 10 episode dawdle to get to a point where Picard had a chance to say goodbye properly. I guess a do over on Nemesis' sloppy ending. Beyond that I'm just not sure sure. Will think more on it but a bit disappointing as finales go.

For a few minutes, I'd honestly thought Trek might pull a Dr Who and regenerate Picard into a younger actor. Crazy, controversial but it would have been something at least. Instead, it was a laziest rugpull I've seen from a script in ages.

yeah himself was shouting 'he's going to have a 25 year old's body now!"

moonlighting_1 wrote: »

What was the deal with Picard saying he loved Data.
It sounded kinda gay.
Two good friends don't say that kinda stuff to each other.
Was it meant in a gay way. Genuine question folks.

raffi and jay ell were saying it as well. i think they're all just being very i love you as a friend. maybe because picard is getting on in years he's all 'listen these are all the things i need to tell people'

whole episode... eh. wasn't too pushed. and they all just left without any tidy up? the fed is suddenly ok with synths after throwing picard out last time? wat
i suppose riker didn't know about picard's problem (unless i've forgotten he told him) so he would have no problem being like see ya next time

raffi and seven - give me a break
NOW KITH!!!

Stark wrote: »

Poor Picard.

"Well Admiral, we could have downloaded you into a hot younger body and given you superpowers but we figured you wouldn't want that."
"Oh. Yay"

genuine lol - had the same reaction

it looks like some of the supersynths made it through before the beacon turned off. is this in season 2?
ah the data and picard bit was nice

Evade · 28-03-2020 09:21PM

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah himself was shouting 'he's going to have a 25 year old's body now!"

Tom Hardy could always play a younger Picard again.

pixelburp · 28-03-2020 09:24PM

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah himself was shouting 'he's going to have a 25 year old's body now!"

It's a measure to how poor that ending was that I'm disappointed Patrick Stewart didn't stay dead, so to speak. It'd basically be "Tapestry" all over again, writ large as a whole season. It would have been insane, dividing and kinda awesome lol. There should be an Arrested Development skit made of a closeup as Ultain Soong mumbles "I've made a huge mistake".

28-03-2020 09:25PM

pixelburp wrote: »

It's a measure to how poor that ending was that I'm disappointed Patrick Stewart didn't stay dead, so to speak. It'd basically be "Tapestry" all over again, writ large as a whole season. It would have been insane, dividing and kinda awesome lol. There should be an Arrested Development skit made of a closeup as Ultain Soong mumbles "I've made a huge mistake".

yeah plus it took away a bit from the whole
"soji i'm giving you something... my life!
jk"

murpho999 · 28-03-2020 09:38PM

I enjoyed it overall but sometimes I had no idea what was going on to be honest.

Far too much folklore.

Too much exposition with groups having conversations around table or a fire with loads of info being given.

Also, didn't like the smoking and vaping, why would still have that hey have that?

Swearing: I've nothing against swearing but it's not part of Star Trek no more than you'd expect it in Star Wars, Marvel or even Fair City for that mater.

It's also part of Star Trek canon that people don't swear anymore as shown in Star Trek IV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTvEbUkeLM

Show just didn't feel like Star Trek for me.

28-03-2020 09:44PM

Thargor wrote: »

So everyone is immortal now and can live forever through brain swapping into new superhuman robot bodies? That's now canon? What an utter heap of sh1t.

Evade · 28-03-2020 09:51PM

The transference tech wasn't new but now with the ability to produce android bodies it's a hard genie to put back in the bottle for any writers going forward.

28-03-2020 09:54PM

Evade wrote: »

The transference tech wasn't new but now with the ability to produce android bodies it's a hard genie to put back in the bottle for any writers going forward.

And yet Maddox was always working on it, so it was only a matter of time for it to happen. It is nothing new (and let's be fair, if we survive to that level of advancement then growing bodies will not be the issue it would be the transference of memories and personality)

And the point is that it was canon from early TNG days, would have been better if they referenced Selar to cement it

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Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]