CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Xertz · 27-03-2020 05:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

France also

France is more of a very formalised air kiss, but it's still pretty dangerous in the current circumstances and has stopped.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:52PM

owlbethere wrote: »

We had a housing crisis for a long time. Houses were too much and out of affordability for so many. Some adults lived at home because there was also rental problems. Rentals were few and far between and too much. The average where I was, 1400 a month.

Then over the past few weeks, colleges finished. There was something on rte last night about working from home. A woman had all 5 of her adult children move back home in recent weeks.

This idea of cocooning the elders is nonsense unless if you make a load of people homeless.

I'm following all the guidelines by the way and limiting going out outside of work but chances are I could probably pick it up and bring it home.

I don't know many 65 or over with kids still in college ?

Grown adults at home with parents over 65 should be bright enough to protect them ,

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 05:53PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A 101 year old man has left hospital in Italy after surviving Coronavirus

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/27/europe/101-year-old-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Always important to mention the positive. Italy's rate of new infections is also gradually declining.

By how much?

Xertz · 27-03-2020 05:53PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Public will be as safe if its cancelled in 2 months time as they would if its cancelled today ?

No, but a lot of community organisations in particular could be really hung out to dry financially by not so doing quite soon as they'll have committed to spends and have no income from the events.

If we get to a stage where this is calming down, it would seem logical that smaller, less dense events would be a lot safer until 2021 or whatever stage we are safe.

If we took the Chinese model, only people who are likely to be well would be let in. They've a colour coded 'health status' concept which would be damn hard to achieve here but that's how they've been doing it.

catrat12 · 27-03-2020 05:53PM

Shelly66 wrote: »

If he was at top of queue and you where further back you can’t get it, not unless he has it and coughed on you or sneezed in your direction. Would have been nice if someone to explain to him what to do in a nice manner he is elderly and some don’t understand unfortunately
. Could you not have told him to contact his doctor

Look the women in chemist was shocked a bit but what I could hear she was polite and he was in his 70s,
I was too frightened to say anything

Harry Palmr · 27-03-2020 05:54PM

You'd have to wonder about Italy for the long term, even when this is finally beaten assuming a vaccine arrives the place is going to have the dark cloud of loss over it and this is a country for whom tourism is vital. It'll be pretty hard to chin up for the visitors that said obviously we'll all be poorer anyway so that sector of the economy is probably fecked anyway.

pawdee · 27-03-2020 05:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A 101 year old man has left hospital in Italy after surviving Coronavirus

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/27/europe/101-year-old-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Always important to mention the positive. Italy's rate of new infections is also gradually declining.

Thank you Kermit! More positivity please everyone!! Keep the good news stories coming.

Blueshoe · 27-03-2020 05:55PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I'm not being smart, but did the Italian culture of greeting males and females with a hug and a kiss go against it? We are way more stand off-ish here for example.

I don't think the Chinese hug and kiss each other
The Americans don't either.
Nor do the Germans etc etc
This virus is highly contagious . It's spreads far too quickly with a long incubation period.
The situation gets out of control fast.

Over half of our cases are via community transmission now which means contact tracking is now irrelevant. Things here will and are beginning to spiral.
Scary times ahead

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 05:56PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I'm not being smart, but did the Italian culture of greeting males and females with a hug and a kiss go against it? We are way more stand off-ish here for example.

Probably just a mixture of factors that made it particularly bad in Italy

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:57PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

By how much?

It's "down" to 7.3%.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:57PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I don't think the Chinese hug and kiss each other
The Americans don't either.
Nor do the Germans etc etc
This virus is highly contagious . It's spreads far too quickly with a long incubation period.
The situation gets out of control fast.

Over half of our cases are via community transmission now which means contact tracking is now irrelevant. Things here will and are beginning to spiral.
Scary times ahead

Why do people say its beginging to spiral , Its not nearly as bad here as was predicted,
Yes its getting worse thats inevitable but to say its spiralling is just not true,

We are yet to even see the effect of the recent social distancing,

It'll get worse of course it will but it certainly is NOT spiralling out of control at this moment in Ireland,

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 05:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

France has extended its coronavirus lockdown by two weeks until 15 April, Edouard Philippe said in a speech.

I thought the French authorities had done that already.

bennyl10 · 27-03-2020 05:59PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I don't think the Chinese hug and kiss each other
The Americans don't either.
Nor do the Germans etc etc
This virus is highly contagious . It's spreads far too quickly with a long incubation period.
The situation gets out of control fast.

Over half of our cases are via community transmission now which means contact tracking is now irrelevant. Things here will and are beginning to spiral.
Scary times ahead

Which is why its so important, if you as much as cough, to STAY THE F INSIDE

then we wont have a spiral

bekker · 27-03-2020 05:59PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Has there been any coverage in the media yet of the new report by a working group of Italian doctors from the Italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Higher Institute of Health)? They last night just released the first detailed report on covid deaths so far in the country. Its got a couple of very interesting highlights:

Heres the age ranges of deaths: essentially non-existent for under 40s. 9 total people under 40. Of that 9, they tested 7 for underlying conditions, and 100% had them - either debates, obesity etc. Not a single healthy person under 40 has died from it.

And here are the overall deaths, across all age ranges:

This is part is absolutely key. Only 1.2% of Italian deaths, across all age ranges, had no underlying health conditions (diabetes, COPD etc). It looks like its not only just not killing young people, its not killing healthy old people.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf

It seems like this is pretty huge, positive news? Once it gets wider media coverage I'd imagine we'll see a lot of pressure to lift quarantines for the not-at-risk sections of society.

Dangerous to draw inferences to the future picture in Ireland from such a study.

It is killing young people, UK girl 19, no underlying comorbidities, no an isolated case, plus long term affects on lungs unknown.

In Ireland and some evidence is emerging that a large proportion of cases in Ireland are occurring among younger cohorts than was anticipated. only significent drop-off is in the 15-24 cohort.
https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

What jumps out at one is the 73.8% {was 78.3%} hypertension figure, given the suspected incidence of undiagnosed and untreated case of hypertension amongst all cohorts of the Irish population.

Hopefully it may turn out similarly here, but if it doesn't and the tentative evidence of possible long term pulmonary complication prove correct we may be facing into the TB scenario long term.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:59PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why do people say its beginging to spiral , Its not nearly as bad here as was predicted,
Yes its getting worse thats inevitable but to say its spiralling is just not true,

We are yet to even see the effect of the recent social distancing,

It'll get worse of course it will but it certainly is NOT spiralling out of control at this moment in Ireland,

ICU cases are increasing by something like 30% daily. That means in about 10 days all our ICU beds will be full.

Hector Savage · 27-03-2020 05:59PM

^^

Yeah extinction level event from a disease that will probably have around 1% CFR ...

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 06:00PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

But she didn't have covid 19.

Do you understand this critical point?

So are you suggesting that people who are critically ill and need immediate admission to the hospital must stay at home to die if they have Covid-19?

Downlinz · 27-03-2020 06:01PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You'd have to wonder about Italy for the long term, even when this is finally beaten assuming a vaccine arrives the place is going to have the dark cloud of loss over it and this is a country for whom tourism is vital. It'll be pretty hard to chin up for the visitors that said obviously we'll all be poorer anyway so that sector of the economy is probably fecked anyway.

This is in the hope that Italy are getting it bad relative to the rest of Europe rather than just getting it early. :pac:

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 06:01PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Probably just a mixture of factors that made it particularly bad in Italy

Spain and the UK could turn out to be worse than Italy.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 06:02PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Probably just a mixture of factors that made it particularly bad in Italy

One suggestion is that it was already there for quite a while before they realised at which point it was too late for them and their initial response was too relaxed. Italians ignoring government advice or restrictions didn't help at all. A similar pattern of public indifference to instructions emerged in France and Spain.

walshb · 27-03-2020 06:02PM

919 deaths in Italy.....is that their highest daily?

Very tough that.....

otnomart · 27-03-2020 06:02PM

bekker wrote: »

Dangerous to draw inferences to the future picture in Ireland from such a study.

It is killing young people, UK girl 19, no underlying comorbidities, no an isolated case, plus long term affects on lungs unknown.

In Ireland and some evidence is emerging that a large proportion of cases in Ireland are occurring among younger cohorts than was anticipated. only significent drop-off is in the 15-24 cohort.
https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/29dc1fec79164c179d18d8e53df82e96

What jumps out at one is the 78.3% hypertension figure, given the suspected incidence of undiagnosed and untreated case of hypertension amongst all cohorts of the Irish population.

Hopefully it may turn out similarly here, but if it doesn't and the tentative evidence of possible long term pulmonary complication prove correct we may be facing into the TB scenario long term.

Agree.
Italy with Japan and South Korea has a high percentage of older people.
That is not just due to low natality rate but also to high life expectancy.

It is important to look also at the general state of health of the young population, and at life expectancy.

Blueshoe · 27-03-2020 06:03PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why do people say its beginging to spiral , Its not nearly as bad here as was predicted,
Yes its getting worse thats inevitable but to say its spiralling is just not true,

We are yet to even see the effect of the recent social distancing,

It'll get worse of course it will but it certainly is NOT spiralling out of control at this moment in Ireland,

Yesterday's deaths alone were more than the total so far.
Yesterday's figure was the highest so far
The hse have said we won't see the peak of this until mid April.
Our icus will be at capacity in a few days and we are only starting to see an uptick.
You ain't seen nothing yet

Italy had almost 950 deaths today alone. Highest figure so far.

You can say I'm wrong. I'm just giving my thoughts and repeating messages from the taoiseach and hse

I hope I'm wrong .

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 06:03PM

kingshankly wrote: »

What’s the next level after “pandemic” or is there a next level

Have an aul read at what he was replying to Hec ^

Hector Savage wrote: »

^^

Yeah extinction level event from a disease that will probably have around 1% CFR ...

An Ciarraioch · 27-03-2020 06:03PM

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1243580779239739399

sadie1502 · 27-03-2020 06:03PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

ICU cases are increasing by something like 30% daily. That means in about 10 days all our ICU beds will be full.

And it seems like it takes weeks to recover wouldn't be so bad if the recovery rate was higher

10000maniacs · 27-03-2020 06:03PM

If Michael Gove is doing the daily press conference, that must mean that Rabb has it too.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 06:04PM

Mayor of Bergamo questioning the official death count of Covid. Seems there were 446 deaths from 1 to 24 March.
Which is 348 more than the average of the previous years (98). There were only 136 covid19 deaths in that period.
That leaves 212 more than usual.

https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1243204679934324738?s=20

An Ciarraioch · 27-03-2020 06:04PM

Presume tonight's HSE briefing must be at 8.45? No updates from either Fergal Bowers or Richard Chambers on the timing as yet.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 06:05PM

marilynrr wrote: »

So are you suggesting that people who are critically ill and need immediate admission to the hospital must stay at home to die if they have Covid-19?

No I'm suggesting there is a rigorous and well worked out protocol for covid19 patients and hospitalisation.

And it isn't showing up at A&E. Anyone with covid19 symptoms need to stay the hell away from A&E including if you are at deaths door. Otherwise you risk infecting many others and health workers with this potentially lethal disease.

This isn't my advice - its the medical profession advice.

Call your GP
Advise them of Symptoms
Wait to be tested
Call the GP if symptoms worsen
Wait to be brought in by ambulance by paramedics in full personal protection equipment.

Suggesting anyone with covid 19 to just show up at A&E is irresponsible advice.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03