CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

10000maniacs · 27-03-2020 04:13PM

Holland has registered a 20% increase in deaths since yesterday. 112.
It's a nightmare in that country.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:13PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Supposing the posters on here listened to you - what would be different now?

Suppose I'm just venting. I did write to Ryanair and a number of newspapers although because of the volume of letters they receive they weren't published.

Anyways, it wasn't just me in case you think it was a one man crusade. A number of doctors here also said we should have banned those flights.

This whole thing has been a predictable slow motion car crash. Others have said that many nursing home staff wear neither masks or gloves. Nursing homes are particularly exposed if a member of staff brings it in.

And then with the next nursing home cluster the usual crowd will be saying "if only we had done something?" while Leo Varadkar will be on TV telling us all "I can assure you we will do everything..."

paul71 · 27-03-2020 04:15PM

marilynrr wrote: »

If a vaccine could take years then there's no way we will stay in lockdown until a vaccine comes out. That just won't happen.

You are correct we won't, if a vaccine does takes years the potential impact will at that stage be reduced by the rates of previous infections. It will still kill, but probably at a rate like the flu does now. Perhaps 1,000 a year.

OneEightSeven · 27-03-2020 04:15PM

The story about an Italian priest giving up his ventalator turned out to be false: https://news.yahoo.com/72-old-italian-priest-gave-165413047.html

cnocbui · 27-03-2020 04:15PM

The World Health Organization is considering “airborne precautions” for medical staff after a new study showed the coronavirus can survive in the air in some settings.

The virus is transmitted through droplets, or little bits of liquid, mostly through sneezing or coughing, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, told reporters during a virtual news conference on Monday. “When you do an aerosol-generating procedure like in a medical care facility, you have the possibility to what we call aerosolize these particles, which means they can stay in the air a little bit longer.”

She added: “It’s very important that health-care workers take additional precautions when they’re working on patients and doing those procedures.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

Damn the WHO are slow.

screamer · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

in tears watching this ....

Yes, it’s equally real and horrific at the same time. I worry that these will be the exact same decisions facing Irish doctors and nurses in a couple of weeks, and God help us if that’s the case.
Stay home, keep your distance, wash your hands and hope to feck we’re doing enough.

Stewball · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

Am i being a Grinch in finding the Brits a bit weird with their 8pm clapping of the NHS ?

There's me thinking - well, if you had shut down all flights , closed the borders and put everyone on lockdown a month earlier , and stopped acting the bollocks by not going to the pub and visiting beaches , you wouldn't have the NHS overwhelmed.

Aren't we pretty much the same?

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

Don't know if this was ever posted but looks very interesting - UV deep cleaning.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/start-ups/akara-robotics-hse-uv-sterilisation-coronavirus

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243347118082928648?s=20

mick987 · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

She doesn't use aeroplanes? Only travels on her boat! If we all did this this virus wouldn't be anywhere but China, think before you book next time! Save the planet while you are at it

But she sends her entourage by plane

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

timhenn wrote: »

We're nowhere near the middle of the table. We're 19th!

Singapore and Finland have similar population to us and got their first case of covid 19 long before us yet they have far fewer deaths.

Just showing you that we're not actually doing comparatively well. You can ignore that if you want to.

There’s only so many times I can explain this to you. The absolute numbers don’t reflect where each country is at in relation to the curve. In other words, Italy and Spain are (hopefully) at the peak of their curve, we’re towards the beginning of ours, and other countries on the list are a couple of weeks behind us.

Boggles · 27-03-2020 04:16PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I can’t find the article right now but Simon Harris said there is no way we would allow ventilators to be exported from Ireland to other countries and leave ourselves short

Well that's just a vague reference or sound byte.

There is no evidence we have ordered or are getting ventilators from Galway.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:17PM

KiKi III wrote: »

There’s only so many times I can explain this to you. The absolute numbers don’t reflect where each country is at in relation to the curve. In other words, Italy and Spain are (hopefully) at the peak of their curve, we’re towards the beginning of ours, and other countries on the list are a couple of weeks behind us.

Like Singapore and Finland?

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I didn't i took it very seriously. I can look back on my twitter and there are posts about chinese drs and their hard work.

There was an awareness among most that it was serious in China, a lot of marvel about how quickly they could build a massive hospital and so on, but for most of us when we have no personal experience of it because it hasn't happened in our country we don't personally prepare for it to be serious, that's the way our brains work.

josip · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Holland has registered a 20% increase in deaths since yesterday. 112.
It's a nightmare in that country.

The number of patients in ICU in Ireland has been going up by an average of at least 30% over the past week.
Unless we take additional measures, we're going to see at least the same day on day increases in our deaths figures very soon.

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Suppose I'm just venting. I did write to Ryanair and a number of newspapers although because of the volume of letters they receive they weren't published.

Anyways, it wasn't just me in case you think it was a one man crusade. A number of doctors here also said we should have banned those flights.

This whole thing has been a predictable slow motion car crash. Others have said that many nursing home staff wear neither masks or gloves. Nursing homes are particularly exposed if a member of staff brings it in.

And then with the next nursing home cluster the usual crowd will be saying "if only we had done something?" while Leo Varadkar will be on TV telling us all "I can assure you we will do everything..."

I know, and I must admit I have been giving you a hard time for more than a while but you have stuck to your beliefs every time. Hats-off for the conviction.

I agree, it's a terribly slow car crash, but please - for yourself if nothing else, please rest assured in the knowledge that our CMO and team are genuinely doing their best to make the correct decisions and choices based on the information available to them - presumably a lot more information than we the layman have.

They won't get them all 100% right every time, but do know - they are doing their best for the collective health of every single person in this country. If it involves completely tanking the economy - they will (and have already started) do it.

Kerry25x · 27-03-2020 04:18PM

So things are now at the stage where I need to wait for over an hour in a virtual queue behind 26000+ other people just to look at something on Boots website?

eagle eye · 27-03-2020 04:19PM

marilynrr wrote:

If a vaccine could take years then there's no way we will stay in lockdown until a vaccine comes out. That just won't happen.

Well then there'll be millions dying.
A vaccine is likely to take a minimum 14 months.

mick987 · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

Stewball wrote: »

Aren't we pretty much the same?

Yes we are but it is more important to bash the Brits

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

marilynrr wrote: »

If a vaccine could take years then there's no way we will stay in lockdown until a vaccine comes out. That just won't happen.

ok at least you accept the possibility of a vaccine taking years.

The alternative is we aim for slowly controlled herd immunity and isolating the vulnerable and elderly for years.

But its not so easy to isolate the elderly especially those who are highly dependent such as in nursing homes.

The reason for the current lockdown is to flatten the curve so our health services are not overwhelmed too quickly.

rossie1977 · 27-03-2020 04:20PM

timhenn wrote: »

It's up to Luxemburg to sort out their state. I don't know what actions/inactions they took. From what we can see, they haven't done a very good job though have they?

They have done a better job than Italy, UK, Spain, US keeping deaths low vs confirmed infection rates

Again you are looking at it wrong re: population. You should be looking at confirmed cases.

On March 1st Italy had 1,701 confirmed cases and 41 deaths

On March 10th Spain had 1,695 confirmed and 36 deaths

On March 12th US had 1,630 confirmed and 41 deaths

On March 16th UK had 1,549 confirmed and 55 deaths.

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

mick987 wrote: »

Yes we are but it is more important to bash the Brits

i'm not.. i just find the whole "clapping" thing a bit weird and cultish.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Well that's just a vague reference or sound byte.

There is no evidence we have ordered or are getting ventilators from Galway.

What evidence do you want above Simon Harris and the HSE saying they have? Screenshots of the contracts?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-government-in-talks-with-ventilator-manufacturers-says-harris-1.4206803%3fmode=amp

screamer · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

Kerry25x wrote: »

So things are now at the stage where I need to wait for over an hour in a virtual queue behind 26000+ other people just to look at something on Boots website?

Boots had feck all stock of anything much 3 days ago. Try some Irish sites instead, McCauley is one.

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:21PM

paul71 wrote: »

You are correct we won't, if a vaccine does takes years the potential impact will at that stage be reduced by the rates of previous infections. It will still kill, but probably at a rate like the flu does now. Perhaps 1,000 a year.

A lockdown for years would condemn a lot of vulnerable people to a miserable last few months/years of isolation also, without even getting a hug from grandkids, or little days out or family visits to look forward to.

If we were for example to go into lockdown now and it lasted 2 years, some of the elderly people would die in that time anyway due to other age related illnesses. Lockdown would make their remaining time unbearable.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 27-03-2020 04:22PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

They have done a better job than Italy, UK, Spain, US keeping deaths low vs confirmed infection rates

Again you are looking at it wrong re: population. You should be looking at confirmed cases.

On March 1st Italy had 1,701 confirmed cases and 41 deaths

On March 10th Spain had 1,695 confirmed and 36 deaths

On March 12th US had 1,630 confirmed and 41 deaths

On March 16th UK had 1,549 confirmed and 55 deaths.

Why? Some countries are doing community testing, some are only testing when people coming into A&E. Some are testing anyone who wants to pay for a test and no one else.

Why would confirmed cases matter as a metric?

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:23PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

They have done a better job than Italy, UK, Spain, US keeping deaths low vs confirmed infection rates

Again you are looking at it wrong re: population. You should be looking at confirmed cases.

On March 1st Italy had 1,701 confirmed cases and 41 deaths

On March 10th Spain had 1,695 confirmed and 36 deaths

On March 12th US had 1,630 confirmed and 41 deaths

On March 16th UK had 1,549 confirmed and 55 deaths.

No, confirmed cases stats are all over the place. No way should we be looking at them. I wasn't looking at it in terms of population. I was looking at it in terms of total deaths. There's no way to spin it, we aren't doing well on that front.

maxpowers · 27-03-2020 04:23PM

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

Interesting read..

Xertz · 27-03-2020 04:24PM

Also, while 19 deaths is horrendous at a human level, on a statistical basis small numbers are quite difficult to compare as there's a relatively small change is a huge %

So doing these comparisons over short time, with relatively small numbers is probably not indicative of much other than an unfortunate cluster in one country and pot luck elsewhere.

There isn't really enough data there to draw any conclusions about anything.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:25PM

Xertz wrote: »

Also, while 19 deaths is horrendous at a human level, on a statistical basis small numbers are quite difficult to compare as there's a relatively small change is a huge %

So doing these comparisons over short time, with relatively small numbers is probably not indicative of much other than an unfortunate cluster in one country and pot luck elsewhere.

There isn't really enough data there to draw any conclusions about anything.

Exactly this.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03