CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Ardent · 26-03-2020 05:43PM

There's no way I believe the numbers coming out of the UK currently. Clearly they are not testing enough. And I read somewhere today they are not disclosing deaths due to some "constent" excuse.

GooglePlus · 26-03-2020 05:44PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Someone posted a Time Magazine article on the other thread that said one woman had a bill for 35,000 due to her Corona Virus treatment.

What a hole of a system and country.

The middle class and below are as good as **** on your shoe.

Sofiztikated · 26-03-2020 05:45PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Someone posted a Time Magazine article on the other thread that said one woman had a bill for 35,000 due to her Corona Virus treatment.

I'm sure I saw that was just for the test, not the treatment.

take everything · 26-03-2020 05:45PM

This is a thick question but can anyone explain to me if all the economies of the world are hit, does "protecting the economy at all cost" matter less since everyone is in the same boat and the element of competition isn't there between countries. Everyone will get back on their feet eventually across the world.

I never understood economics.

iwillyeah1234 · 26-03-2020 05:48PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness with the amount of wealth they have over there they should be able to weather the storm and keep anyone from going hungry. However in that country sharing the wealth is seen as anti Christian and Communist for some reason, they really are a bunch of oddballs, it's really becoming apparent during this crisis what matters to America.

Well, one thing is for sure - nobody is laughing at those American "preppers" now , with their shacks in the mountains with 6 months worth of food.

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 05:48PM

take everything wrote: »

This is a thick question but can anyone explain to me if all the economies of the world are hit, does "protecting the economy at all cost" matter less since everyone is in the same boat and the element of competition isn't there between countries. Everyone will get back on their feet eventually across the world.

I never understood economics.

I think if anyone really "got" economics, the last 12 years would have looked very different. Economists seem to have a gift for explaining and modelling in retrospect.

pawdee · 26-03-2020 05:48PM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

How many are they expecting to die in Ireland?

4,922,864

One survivor. Me. Sorry.

from_atozinc · 26-03-2020 05:48PM

In the last couple of days, people are getting more used to this whole scenario and for the most part doing as they are supposed to. Dare I say it, feeling more relaxed about it all.

I know cases are going up but based on the trend so far, we will not reach the 15,000 figure mentioned for end of month

Is this all a false sense of security

Have we even started the hardship here really and will yet so a massive surge etc

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 05:50PM

from_atozinc wrote: »

In the last couple of days, people are getting more used to this whole scenario and for the most part doing as they are supposed to. Dare I say it, feeling more relaxed about it all.

I know cases are going up but based on the trend so far, we will not reach the 15,000 figure mentioned for end of month

Is this all a false sense of security

Have we even started the hardship here really and will yet so a massive surge etc

Yes we seem to be back to linear growth rather than exponential. The case numbers will be much higher in the end, but probably spread over 5+ months.

No room for complacency, and hard to imagine what the world is going to look like when this is all over.

10000maniacs · 26-03-2020 05:51PM

merikahan wrote: »

India is untidy, messy BUT when crisis comes, each of the 1.3 Billion people come together and act as one.

They need to be careful. If they follow Italy's path, millions will die.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-03-2020 05:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah and our third lowest actual pop density is a major advantage for us. Where the virus has gone nuts in Europe so far can be mapped to the deeply red areas of population density(with the exception of Germany). Even in Ireland most have been in the "east" last time I looked? IE Dublin.

If you look at the 1918 flu pandemic it ripped through slums and cities, but was far less deadly in suburban and rural areas. Now we don't have slums like they did back then, but we have them in another sense, population density "slums". People packed tightly and vertically together. Like I said in the previous thread, if someone on my road has the virus, unless I directly interact with them and surfaces they touch, my risks are low. However if you put all the people on my average semi dee road into one apartment block the risk of spread ramps way up. Now every time I leave my house to go to the shops I interact with no neighbour's shared areas or surfaces, nor they with mine, but if we were all in an apartment block we would.

Begs the question, are we living far too close to each other?

Is it natural to live on top of each other, to the point where you are not even breathing much fresh air... but each other's breath!?

Experts say these viruses spread mostly in the air, as opposed to contaminated surfaces.

Look at the people on that cruise ship... those guys must have been breathing huge quantities of the virus. What other animal would cram themselves into a steel box with 1,000's of their own kind... for fun?

hmmm · 26-03-2020 05:52PM

take everything wrote: »

This is a thick question but can anyone explain to me if all the economies of the world are hit, does "protecting the economy at all cost" matter less since everyone is in the same boat and the element of competition isn't there between countries. Everyone will get back on their feet eventually across the world.

It's about ensuring that when this thing goes away, or is under control, we have an economy to go back to.

E.g. if an airline goes bankrupt and lays off all its employees, you can't simply flick a switch and get them all back to work again. It's worthwhile trying to keep the company ticking over (even while nothing is happening) and ready to go.

Unfortunately this will cost a small fortune - everyone is spending like drunken sailors now, the cost will be higher taxes in the future.

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 05:55PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Begs the question, are we living far too close to each other?

Is it natural to live on top of each other, to the point where you are not even breathing much in fresh air... but each other's breath!?

Experts say these viruses spread mostly in the air, as opposed to contaminated surfaces.

Look at the people on that cruise ship... those guys must have been breathing huge quantities of the virus. What other animal would cram themselves into a steel box with 1,000's of their own kind... for fun?

Bees, maybe. Ants.

Despite all our petty wars, prejudices and general cruelty to one another, we're by far the most weirdly social and empathetic mammal species. We like to form large social groups, we even like to drag other species into them. We're freaks.

Spanish Eyes · 26-03-2020 05:56PM

megatron989 wrote: »

We wipe down all our items once we get home. No telling who's handled them, kids touch everything in shops for example. People root through items like crazys looking for diamonds. Shops are weird places if you've ever worked retail.
So yeah I'd recommend an oul wipe.[/QUOTE]

Was lucky enough to get a Super Valu delivery earlier. Took me an hour to wipe down the wine bottles and beer cans so they can be safely imbibed.

Seriously, it is no harm to wipe down every package with a few wipes. Can't do any harm.

Tony EH · 26-03-2020 05:58PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm sure I saw that was just for the test, not the treatment.

Jesus...surely it was more than just a test?

is_that_so · 26-03-2020 06:00PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Jesus...surely it was more than just a test?

That link again.

https://time.com/5806312/coronavirus-treatment-cost/

Blueshoe · 26-03-2020 06:00PM

felton wrote: »

Who's going to applause at 8pm?

Pointless. They should have pre recorded clips of members of the general public, priests, sports people, politicians etc saying thank you. Finish it off with Michael D.
A montage of different people. It will be seen and heard by medical staff in the hospitals

Play it at 8 o clock across all Irish media.
Who doesn't love a montage

Some lad clapping at the front door of his house in Kerry doesn't have the same effect.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-03-2020 06:03PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Bees, maybe. Ants.

Despite all our petty wars, prejudices and general cruelty to one another, we're by far the most weirdly social and empathetic mammal species. We like to form large social groups, we even like to drag other species into them. We're freaks.

Bees and ants.. I'll give you that one!

Those guys are all super fit and healthy though... ants can lift crazy amounts of weight for their relative body size.

Most people that live in big cities crammed on top of each other, are not healthy... many live unnaturally sedentary lives sitting behind a desk all day, and then when you combine this with all the pollution too... it's a breeding ground for disease and sickness!

Lavinia · 26-03-2020 06:03PM

I don't think i'll be joining that...

Alqua · 26-03-2020 06:04PM

zinfandel wrote: »

so much for self isolating due to underlying conditions , I managed to get a slot for home delivery of groceries for tomorrow which I made 13 days ago, I ordered enough to last us the next 2 weeks and made what I had at home last until today .
The order has just been cancelled, this will now force us back out into the wild, feel like crying.....

Loads of people around the country have signed up at http://localsupport.ie to deliver groceries etc - if you text 087 3658233 with your town/area and what you need, someone nearby should be able to help you.

Donald Trump · 26-03-2020 06:05PM

pawdee wrote: »

4,922,864

One survivor. Me. Sorry.

That's tough.

You still won't be able to get the ride

fr336 · 26-03-2020 06:06PM

Latest Imperial college study shows that unmitigated, this could cause 40m deaths worldwide this year alone. On par with 1918. Basic mitigation cuts this projection to 20m.

dummy_crusher · 26-03-2020 06:07PM

fr336 wrote: »

Latest Imperial college study shows that unmitigated, this could cause 40m deaths worldwide this year alone. On par with 1918. Basic mitigation cuts this projection to 20m.

Link?

is_that_so · 26-03-2020 06:08PM

Here's an account keeping tabs on current US testing capability levels. They seem to be ramping up, subject of course to the availability of tests etc.

https://twitter.com/COVID2019tests/status/1240296031406915584

10000maniacs · 26-03-2020 06:09PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's tough.

You still won't be able to get the ride

DOCARCH · 26-03-2020 06:10PM

Italy: +6,153 new cases/+662 additional deaths.

Seems to be stabilising? New cases up on yesterday but not dramatically.

bilston · 26-03-2020 06:11PM

fr336 wrote: »

Latest Imperial college study shows that unmitigated, this could cause 40m deaths worldwide this year alone. On par with 1918. Basic mitigation cuts this projection to 20m.

Yeah the final global death toll could be very high.

Remember most of the countries hit so far and are developed countries with sophisticated health systems, and even they are struggling. But it could in pale in comparison to some countries if the virus spreads in parts of Africa, Central and South America and countries like India, Pakistan and Indonesia.

Sam Russell · 26-03-2020 06:11PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's about ensuring that when this thing goes away, or is under control, we have an economy to go back to.

E.g. if an airline goes bankrupt and lays off all its employees, you can't simply flick a switch and get them all back to work again. It's worthwhile trying to keep the company ticking over (even while nothing is happening) and ready to go.

Unfortunately this will cost a small fortune - everyone is spending like drunken sailors now, the cost will be higher taxes in the future.

The crash in 2008 was the result of the banks losing €60 billion which was taken on by he Irish nation. As a result of the economy crashing and the resulting unemployment and the social welfare paid out, the bill climbed to €200 billion.

So, we lost €60 billion from the banks, but paid out €140 billion in consequential damage that we got nothing for - we could have kept builders at work to at least finish the half built houses.

This time, we will try and be more creative. Maybe build a motorway from Cork to Limerick, and perhaps a metro or two - plus a good few houses.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-03-2020 06:11PM

fr336 wrote: »

Latest Imperial college study shows that unmitigated, this could cause 40m deaths worldwide this year alone. On par with 1918. Basic mitigation cuts this projection to 20m.

I heard 10m could die in the U.S alone, if this was just left to spread unchecked... :eek:

But still some people think it's not that big a deal, and we should all just go back to normal and stop all this foolishness! :rolleyes:

Lavinia · 26-03-2020 06:11PM

So almost 7k new cases in both USA and Spain today in this one day only...

edit: and Germany too

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03