CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pray for me

symptoms?

OK...

I understand this is serious and it's great to see people taking it seriously but, people around me are starting to take the absolute piss, from both extremes.

On one hand, I'm surronded by groups of people, cluttered together, out walking and chatting or jogging, not paying any heed to the social distancing.
On the other hand, I have people on social media, who live locally, posting their ****ing "self quarantine diaries" and how difficult it is to be cut off from their family, because they had a headache one night...

Adds nothing to the conversation or discussion but, **** me... I needed to vent

Boggles wrote: »

Absolutely, the polls suggest that large percentages of people (Trump voters) still believe this isn't as bad as it seems.

I think that a lot of Americans are choosing to see the virus in a way that we would have seen it 100 years ago. Imagine Coronavirus had swept the world in the wake of WW1 instead of the Spanish Flu. A virus that made most upper and middle class young and middle aged people a bit breathless or sick enough to need to be in bed for a couple of weeks and gave older people pneumonia. That killed a lot of the very elderly, ill and morbidly obese of which there wouldn't have been as many anyway. There would also probably have been higher mortality rates throughout all ages of the poor because many still lived and worked in conditions that had already caused lung damage. It would have been bad and people would have noted it was happening but it wouldn't have caused massive disruption like it is doing now. Life would have continued on as relatively normal for most people.

And that's the way a lot of people are choosing to look at this. A disease that's mainly going to take out old and sick people. They aren't thinking about hospitals being overwhelmed. If it came down to it, they'd probably say those people should just stay home and die, so that hospitals can continue on as normal. America is a country where it's considered normal for someone's cancer treatment to be based on their insurance rather than their need. Just wanting old and sick people to stay home and quietly die so society can keep going as normal isn't much different. There are plenty of people who on some level at least think that society would actually be improved without all these old and sick and poor people dragging them down and that a virus like this is God's or nature's way of purging the weakest for the benefit of everyone else.

banie01 wrote: »

A walk, social distancing does not mean you need to cloister yourself.

It means that you keep a safe distance, and keep aware.

You can leave your home, take a walk, jog, have a run.

In Limerick City, I am still quite fond of walking the 3 bridges or the Condell Rd.

You don't need to actually go anywhere special, even a circuit or 2 of your local park just to stretch your legs and dissipate some energy.

We really shouldn't be encouraging people going out.

I know some people need too but it still gives off the signal its OK to be out and about.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

We really shouldn't be encouraging people going out.

I know some people need too but it still gives off the signal its OK to be out and about.

You have to get out, even if it's just for a walk for 20 minutes / half an hour. This could go on for a couple months yet,

caveat emptor wrote: »

Not that I'm aware of. Will go and brave Aldi.

Great craic. I've asthma. Luckily I've PPE.

Do you have a Tesco near you? You could do click and collect. You pick out your shopping online and choose a pick up time. Then you drive to Tesco at your time, get your goods and leave. You are just there for about a minute and interact with 1 person in a really minimal way.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

We really shouldn't be encouraging people going out.

I know some people need too but it still gives off the signal its OK to be out and about.

The Government, The HSE, WHO are all encouraging people to get out for walks or get their exercise in, just keep your distance!

It is OK to be out, so long as you keep your distance and don't get notions in yourselves to go to a packed beach or park

banie01 wrote: »

It is ok to be out and about once you obey the social distancing guidelines.

That would be why it's actual government advice.

Its also government advice to stay at home.

But I take your point, I just feel people out and about now is gonna prolong our return to normality.

iguana wrote: »

I think that a lot of Americans are choosing to see the virus in a way that we would have seen it 100 years ago. Imagine Coronavirus had swept the world in the wake of WW1 instead of the Spanish Flu. A virus that made most upper and middle class young and middle aged people a bit breathless or sick enough to need to be in bed for a couple of weeks and gave older people pneumonia. That killed a lot of the very elderly, ill and morbidly obese of which there wouldn't have been as many anyway. There would also probably have been higher mortality rates throughout all ages of the poor because many still lived and worked in conditions that had already caused lung damage. It would have been bad and people would have noted it was happening but it wouldn't have caused massive disruption like it is doing now. Life would have continued on as relatively normal for most people.

And that's the way a lot of people are choosing to look at this. A disease that's mainly going to take out old and sick people. They aren't thinking about hospitals being overwhelmed. If it came down to it, they'd probably say those people should just stay home and die, so that hospitals can continue on as normal. America is a country where it's considered normal for someone's cancer treatment to be based on their insurance rather than their need. Just wanting old and sick people to stay home and quietly die so society can keep going as normal isn't much different. There are plenty of people who on some level at least think that society would actually be improved without all these old and sick and poor people dragging them down and that a virus like this is God's or nature's way of purging the weakest for the benefit of everyone else.

I would certainly not be of this view but I would be of the view that the large amount of money being spent on welfare payments would be better spent on looking after the elderly and people who are vulnerable to this disease and the rest of society should return to relative normality in the next few weeks. Maintain social distancing but return to work. Return the kids to school. Anybody that is Vulnerable and has kids and school can have a video link set-up so the child still gets their education but remotely. Elderly isolate themselves which they are already doing. Anyone that can work from home continues to do so. Have a carers payment for anybody who has elderly people live with them and cannot work because its high risk. But open back up the cafe's restaurants and small businesses.

ESRI predicts that there will be 18% unemployment. If we don't return to some form of normality soon these will become long term unemployed. We then need to shout at the ECB to start printing money and get it into peoples pockets to get people spending. I would be in big favour of a voucher system that can be used in business effected by this. Similar to a one4all but leave the supermarkets out of it because they are already doing OK out of this.

Jin luk wrote: »

How many counts will they do in a day?

At least 4

MOR316 wrote: »

The Government, The HSE, WHO are all encouraging people to get out for walks or get their exercise in, just keep your distance!

It is OK to be out, so long as you keep your distance and don't get notions in yourselves to go to a packed beach or park

I have no problem with people going out jogging alone around an unused football pitch minding their own business. What’s no right is going out jogging through the centre of Rathmines while I’m queuing outside Boots to collect a prescription, spitting on the ground and panting in people’s faces.

I live with an immunocompromised relative and this could kill them.

Since people don’t seem to understand this, we should ban jogging.

is_that_so wrote: »

Taking exercise is part of that essential activity but with proper regard to the guidelines.

You can do push-ups on the floor of your own home. If you really must go jogging, find a quiet spot or buy a threadmill.