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    #1292
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that says high consequence infectious disease not highly infectious disease. very different things.

    Still enough to close down the country. Still enough for everyone to lose their jobs..


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    #1293
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Covid 19 is NO LONGER a highly infectious disease

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

    Read your own link


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    #1294
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Still enough to close down the country. Still enough for everyone to lose their jobs..

    the UK can decide what it wants. we are not the UK.


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    #1295
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


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    #1296
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Will China be made pay as in lose out??? Seems not so much as huge amounts of ppe is being shipped from there....

    Still amazed how rte and others are speaking so well of China and how they've no new cases...

    Does anyone actually believe their figures.


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    #1297
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    again you misunderstand what you are reading. To be classified as a HCID it must meet ALL of the criteria. Thay have decided that it does not have the case-fatality rate to qualify as a HCID. they have said nothing about the other criteria and until they do you can assume it still meets the other criteria.


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    #1298
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    It's a classification, so yeah, sounds right

    Something like Ebola would fit in that category, because it ticks all those boxes


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    #1299
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Read your own link

    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.


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    #1300
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Will China be made pay as in lose out??? Seems not so much as huge amounts of ppe is being shipped from there....

    Still amazed how rte and others are speaking so well of China and how they've no new cases...

    Does anyone actually believe their figures.

    There's natural caution and skepticism, but currently no evidence to suggest that China is being overwhelmed with new cases (often locals, reporters, staff would manage to leak info)


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    #1301
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's a classification, so yeah, sounds right

    Something like Ebola would fit in that category, because it ticks all those boxes

    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the severity of COVID19 since March 19. Doe, it was in the same class as Ebola before March 19th, but not anymore.


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    #1302
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There's natural caution and skepticism, but currently no evidence to suggest that China is being overwhelmed with new cases (often locals, reporters, staff would manage to leak info)

    Many that spoke out are dead or have disappeared....


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    #1303
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.

    They know more about Covid-19 now, and it doesn't fit that particular classification


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    #1304
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    They know more about Covid-19 now, and it doesn't fit that particular classification

    Time to open up the country then.


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    #1305
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Time to open up the country then.

    Why?


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    #1306
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,283 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    leavingirl wrote: »
    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.

    No they HAVEN'T

    They have down graded THE classification of COVID19.

    The severity OF THE infection has not CHANGED.


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    #1307
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Time to open up the country then.

    I think it is best to leave that decision to people that dont post links that they dont understand.


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    #1308
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Why?

    Good lad


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    #1309
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    No they HAVEN'T

    They have down graded THE classification of COVID19.

    The severity OF THE infection has not CHANGED.



    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


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    #1310
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I think it is best to leave that decision to people that dont post links that they dont understand.

    Pathetic


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    #1311
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Good lad

    You clearly don't understand how the classification works, so here it is in simple terms
    1. acute infectious disease
    2. typically has a high case-fatality rate
    3. may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    4. often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    5. ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    6. requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    In order to fit the classification, Covid 19 has to adhere to all the above. It doesn't adhere to e.g. "2. typically has a high case-fatality rate", so it doesn't fit the classification


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    #1312
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    I have already explained to you how you have misunderstood your own link.


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    #1313
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You clearly don't understand how the classification works, so here it is in simple terms
    1. acute infectious disease
    2. typically has a high case-fatality rate
    3. may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    4. often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    5. ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    6. requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    In order to fit the classification, Covid 19 has to adhere to all the above. It doesn't adhere to e.g. "typically has a high case-fatality rate", so it doesn't fit the classification
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.


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    #1314
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,283 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).


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    #1315
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.

    Yes it was. And now it's not. That's how classification works.


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    #1316
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.

    bit rich considering you described me as pathetic.


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    #1317
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).
    Stop your gaslighting. I'm not agreeing with you.

    Since COVID19 has been downgraded, there should be an appropriate response. But nothing has changed. Everywhere is still in lockdown.
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


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    #1318
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).
    Stop your gaslighting. I'm not agreeing with you.

    Since COVID19 has been downgraded, there should be an appropriate response. But nothing has changed. Everywhere is still in lockdown.


    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


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    #1319
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yes it was. And now it's not. That's how classification works.

    And there should be an appropriate response. As in, the lockdown must end and people should be allowed to work again!


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    #1320
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    bit rich considering you described me as pathetic.

    This is what you're dealing with here.

    Originally Posted by leavingirl View Post
    "You sound like a right little gay bastard"

    Just a horrible, angry, scared and hateful person.


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    #1321
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,312 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    And there should be an appropriate response. As in, the lockdown must end and people should be allowed to work again!

    First, that is a UK decision. We are not the UK. the .ie in boards.ie is a clue.
    Second COVID19 still meets all of these criteria

    • acute infectious disease
    • may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    • often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    • ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    • requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely
    Good enough reason to maintain the lockdown.


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