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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #9362
    Corkgirl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    maebee wrote: »
    Is it only me or does anybody else not give a f*ck about the economy? It will recover. Our dead citizens won't. All of our lives have been turned upside down in these past few weeks. Lives first, economy will follow, imo

    I don’t give a hoot , not going to lose sleep over it , I probably will lose sleep over the deaths in Italy and Spain though.
    We were due a recession anyway. We’re a country that has been poor before many a times. I’d much rather put peoples health before wealth.


  • #9363
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    minimise/deflect/compare. African country? Compare our GDP. Sending healthcare workers to deal with cases with inadequate PPE is unacceptable.

    What proportion of cases in Germany are health care workers?
    Bet it's nothing like 25%.
    flynnlives wrote: »
    You need to realsie that the vast majority of the healthcare force in Ireland have never had to deal with any major incident. The biggest incident alot deal with are road traffic accidents. These by and large only involve 1 or 2 people.

    Mass casualty events are extremely rare here.

    In that sense you can assume that the high number of healthcare infections is down to the bystander affect. Alot of irish people last weekend were lax about the crisis. Healthcare staff are people too and were probably lax about PPE when people arrived in A7E with flu.


    Ireland does not have the experienced healthcare staff at senior levels, consultants that have experience in mass casualty events.

    I expect now that proper training has been delivered that healthcare infections will drop considerably.


    I don't know what you are saying. Do you agree or disagree? Either way it doesn't matter.
    1. There should be someone in the system who understands pandemics.
    2. There should be someone who knows when we should hedge our bets and procure PPE.
    3. There should be someone who understands pandemics.
    4. There should be someone to train those who face the greatest risk.
    5. There should be someone who can turn on a tv and look at what is happening in china /italy /spain.

    I'm not for one second holding frontline staff accountable in this. I find it morally reprehensible that they weren't warned.

    I warned my family thank go and they purchased their own PPE out of pocket.


  • #9364
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    flynnlives wrote: »
    In that sense you can assume that the high number of healthcare infections is down to the bystander affect. Alot of irish people last weekend were lax about the crisis. Healthcare staff are people too and were probably lax about PPE when people arrived in A7E with flu.

    No that's wrong - listen to some of the posters here. They caught it off infected patients because they didn't have any PPE.
    It's nothing to do with them visiting Italy or going to the bar or anything like that :rolleyes:


  • #9365
    interlocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭interlocked


    The Government has comissioned Aer Lingus to operate up to seven return flights a day between Beijing and Dublin, for the next week to bring in medical cargo, mostly PPE.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383874&page=233.

    Is that proactive enough for some of ye???


  • #9366
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,757 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1242979638172925952

    At the current rate, the U.S. will overtake Italy in number of coronavirus cases on Thursday and China on Friday


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  • #9367
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    maebee wrote: »
    Is it only me or does anybody else not give a f*ck about the economy? It will recover. Our dead citizens won't. All of our lives have been turned upside down in these past few weeks. Lives first, economy will follow, imo

    I know what you're intending but that's too simplistic. This is not a battle, it's a war. The economy must be closely managed. Deprioritised, reprioritised, value chain destruction and re-creation etc. Ending of some things, saving of others, re-imagining etc etc.
    If we ignore the economy, we are truly screwed. The world is filled with debt and, believe it or not, that's how this response is being paid for. As we speak.


  • #9368
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I don't know what you are saying. Do you agree or disagree? Either way it doesn't matter.
    1. There should be someone in the system who understands pandemics.
    2. There should be someone who knows when we should hedge our bets and procure PPE.
    3. There should be someone who understands pandemics.
    4. There should be someone to train those who face the greatest risk.
    5. There should be someone who can turn on a tv and look at what is happening in china /italy /spain.

    I'm not for one second holding frontline staff accountable in this. I find it morally reprehensible that they weren't warned.

    I warned my family thank go and they purchased their own PPE out of pocket.

    So why didn't you warn the HSE and prevent all of this?

    Your family getting PPE has denied front line staff who need it from getting it.
    Well done, you're actually contributing to the problem.


  • #9369
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Yeah lets keep 30+ million PPE kits ready for use - not like they have any kind of expiration date
    The IQ levels in these threads is deteriorating with each new thread, from conspiracy theories, to HSE having no PPE, to the government should have foreseen this, to the list goes on.
    Just waiting for the videos of people collapsing on the streets here


    People are posting because we can see through the horse sh!t. What da fvck do you know about IQ. You'd swallow a brick and **** it out and think you found something of worth.


  • #9370
    Corkgirl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    Kind of regretting doing dry January now.


  • #9371
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,045 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    maebee wrote: »
    Is it only me or does anybody else not give a f*ck about the economy? It will recover. Our dead citizens won't. All of our lives have been turned upside down in these past few weeks. Lives first, economy will follow, imo

    It’s Ireland post Celtic Tiger... too many people with a love of money over a love of the nation and it’s people.

    I’m no FF cheerleader but I hope to fück Martin stands up to the corporate massage therapist boy Leo and can become Taoiseach. For his limitations he seems to have the best interests of the country at heart, I wouldn’t trust Leo in a fûcking heartbeat to put this country or its citizens first.


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  • #9372
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    maebee wrote: »
    Is it only me or does anybody else not give a f*ck about the economy? It will recover. Our dead citizens won't. All of our lives have been turned upside down in these past few weeks. Lives first, economy will follow, imo

    I work in construction. Its only a matter of time before I'm fired. Im working from home but only a matter of time before the enivitabke happens . Went through the whole recession thing in 2009 when I last lost my job. Oddly enough I'm not one bit stressed about the job. Health of my family and friends is much more important.


  • #9373
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    interlocked wrote: »
    The Government has comissioned Aer Lingus to operate up to seven return flights a day between Beijing and Dublin, for the next week to bring in medical cargo, mostly PPE.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383874&page=233.

    Is that proactive enough for some of ye???

    I've no doubt that is exactly what's required. I think the horse has bolted on 'proactive', in fairness. He's out in the meadow, kicking his heels.


  • #9374
    flynnlives
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I don't know what you are saying. Do you agree or disagree? Either way it doesn't matter.
    1. There should be someone in the system who understands pandemics.
    2. There should be someone who knows when we should hedge our bets and procure PPE.
    3. There should be someone who understands pandemics.
    4. There should be someone to train those who face the greatest risk.
    5. There should be someone who can turn on a tv and look at what is happening in china /italy /spain.

    I'm not for one second holding frontline staff accountable in this. I find it morally reprehensible that they weren't warned.

    I warned my family thank go and they purchased their own PPE out of pocket.

    Im saying our country has little or no experience of mass casualty events.
    Our hospitals are by and large small and quiet.
    So im not surprised we had initially ar large amount of infected healthcare workers.

    Training has since been rolled out and i expect the rates to drop dramatically.


  • #9375
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I don't know what you are saying. Do you agree or disagree? Either way it doesn't matter.
    1. There should be someone in the system who understands pandemics.
    2. There should be someone who knows when we should hedge our bets and procure PPE.
    3. There should be someone who understands pandemics.
    4. There should be someone to train those who face the greatest risk.
    5. There should be someone who can turn on a tv and look at what is happening in china /italy /spain.

    I'm not for one second holding frontline staff accountable in this. I find it morally reprehensible that they weren't warned.

    I warned my family thank go and they purchased their own PPE out of pocket.
    murpho999 wrote: »
    So why didn't you warn the HSE and prevent all of this?

    Your family getting PPE has denied front line staff who need it from getting it.
    Well done, you're actually contributing to the problem.


    You jumped in with two feet you fvckwit.

    My family are frontline.

    Read back through my posts you lazy spin bot.

    How's Tony?


  • #9376
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    Kind of regretting doing dry January now.

    Why? Off Licenses are still open.


  • #9377
    flynnlives
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You jumped in with two feet you fvckwit.

    My family are frontline.

    Read back through my posts you lazy spin bot.

    How's Tony?

    frontline staff are not allowed to bring their own PPE into hospitals.


  • #9378
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I contacted the HSE looking for guidelines on the 25th of February. I was due to travel to Italy and I wanted to know what procedure I was to follow on my return. At that stage, they were still only mentioning China. The person I spoke to had no idea what I was on about. They asked me were people from there going to come back with me - I told them no, but I would be, and I'd have been in contact with people while there. I asked again for guidelines. It took them a good 20 mins to get back to me, only to ask me would I be travelling to one of the 4 regions in the North. I told them so. I also pointed out that Italy at that stage had cases in 13 regions, not just those 4, and not all of them the cause of infection had been indentified. Nothing. After another while, I spoon-fed them an answer - should I perhaps follow the guidelines you've given for China? The answer was "I guess so".

    No wonder the virus has spread so much and so quickly.


  • #9379
    Corkgirl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    Why? Off Licenses are still open.

    Because it’s turning into dry spring!
    I’m not one to drink alone, more of a social drinker so the off licence isn’t much fun.


  • #9380
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    P1sss fcuking off. He's playing a blinder.

    Agreed, except the flight situation. Only let Irish citizens in or people with proof of permanent residence.


  • #9381
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • #9382
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    interlocked wrote: »
    The Government has comissioned Aer Lingus to operate up to seven return flights a day between Beijing and Dublin, for the next week to bring in medical cargo, mostly PPE.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383874&page=233.

    Is that proactive enough for some of ye???

    PRO-ACTIVE means acting in advance. So, no.


  • #9383
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    flynnlives wrote: »
    frontline staff are not allowed to bring their own PPE into hospitals.

    So it's true they are not allowed to protect themselves adequately?

    They might not be allowed but the social contract is broken when it's not provided and people tend to bend rules when they are risking their lives.

    Would you prefer they wore a bin bag and swimming goggles?

    Grenfell residents were told to remain in situ and that the fire would not reach their apartment. They were in effect not allowed to leave.


  • #9384
    shamelessidiot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭shamelessidiot


    If you're not showing symptoms, why exactly do you need to be tested? You're not just gonna croak it out of the blue if you do have it and don't have any or just mild symptoms. If you need to be hospitalised and treated, you'll know it.


  • #9385
    forgodssake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭forgodssake


    Since I last checked in this has turned into a my balls are bigger than yours kinda thread ..an I know more than you ...you're wrong ...link/source...patronising kinda thread .


  • #9386
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Basically he is a millionaire ..so he is used to people listening to him.


    People like him while not necessarily malicious or stupid ....are prone to going down rabbit holes ..they often drag others with them.

    Although he has donated 1 million to the corona crisis.

    His obsessive tenacity has run away with him a little at this present time.

    It doesn't mean he isn't right about some things or doesn't make some valid points though.

    But he has a large audience ...because he is rich.....

    He keeps saying the HSE is incompetent. Well we KNOW that ..we've known that for the past decade ..but honestly its not like we can do anything about it right now can we!??

    He keeps saying he wants HSE heads and ministers to resign NOW ..NOW?? In the middle of a crisis ..RIGHT NOW??

    Only alice in wonderland sees wonder and conspiracy EVERYWHERE...seeing it isn't unusual ..seeing it everywhere ..that's .unusual ..its rabbit hole territory. It tends to be something very clever people with a lot of time and too much intelligence do.


  • #9387
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    Agreed, except the flight situation. Only let Irish citizens in or people with proof of permanent residence.

    WHO not so long ago were saying do not lockdown, keep trade going, stay friends with China
    Rest of the world meanwhile was getting very worried


  • #9388
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You jumped in with two feet you fvckwit.

    My family are frontline.

    Read back through my posts you lazy spin bot.

    How's Tony?

    I don't believe a word you say. If your family is frontline then why would they need your warnings?

    Also, a sure sign of a spoofer is when challenged that they resort to insults. I've reported your post to mods.

    It's bad enough reading your posts here live, I've no interest in searching for or reading your drivel


  • #9389
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,045 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    P1sss fcuking off. He's playing a blinder.

    Try and remain calm, moderate your language too, it’s not becoming of you or your argument. A lot of the right sound bites but he’s been slow out of the traps, dreadfully... another poster just point out one issue especially for you.


  • #9390
    flynnlives
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So it's true they are not allowed to protect themselves adequately?

    why deflect?

    If you knew what you where talking about you would know that staff bringing their own PPE to hospital is not allowed.
    You are claiming family members work on frontline with their own PPE?

    The frontline in Tescos sure but not in our hospitals.

    You are a walter mitty.


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  • #9391
    Corkgirl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So it's true they are not allowed to protect themselves adequately?

    My mum is a nurse in CUH and she’s wearing red scrubs this week. Before she always wore a white nursing top and black trousers.
    I questioned it and she said something about not wearing her own clothes.
    They have basic blue gloves and disposable masks.
    She isn’t dealing with any virus patients that she knows of.


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