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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    This is an extract from an article that is a good overall summary re covid 19.
    This bit is about testing, its importance, and especially fast point of care tests. I really think we are dropping the ball quite a bit re testing now, and the new rules attempt to compensate for an overwhelmed system.
    https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR07PhPoHx816jovbJ55FYErUbLc7j3i9wktCtlORmq9eZQ9CUoSoUBNsfs

    "How long before the U.S. sees test availability similar to what South Korea has implemented?
    The PCR testing, which is the one that's approved, is now ramping up very, very rapidly in state and local labs as well as in academic medical centers and in the commercial sector. Their production will grow tremendously. Roche has a machine that will run 1,000 samples at a time. If you go to a commercial lab, they take a swab, they package it, they quite often send it to another facility somewhere else. The turnaround time is typically 72 hours. In that period, it's very, very hard to manage patients and their contacts. It's a nightmare for the healthcare worker.

    We need point-of-care tests. Those kinds of tests are available for HIV and for many other diseases; you use a finger stick, drop the blood on a small device, and have a readout in 15 minutes. These tests measure antibody response to the virus and are extremely useful. Yet we don't have a single test licensed in the U.S. In China, in South Korea, and in Europe, those tests are used. The manufacturer for this rapid test is producing a million a day. It's there. But in the name of protecting the public, the FDA has moved very, very slowly. That delay, in my view, has caused more harm than good.

    Can you elaborate on point-of-care testing?
    It's almost like a home pregnancy test or home HIV test. These tests have been around for a long time. The test that I'm specifically referring to, coming out of China, South Korea, and approved in Europe, is an antibody test. You put a drop of blood on a plastic slide, add another drop of the buffer that comes with the test, and you let it sit for 15 minutes. Then, you look at the bands. You're negative if you have just one band, or you're positive if you have more than one band. The test also tells you type of antibody. There's a type of antibody called IgG [immunoglobulin G] and another type called IgM [immunoglobulin M]. Typically, when a person is infected, the IgM response is earlier and the IgG response is later. The two bands indicate the course of the infection.

    This kind of test is available all over the world for HIV. The technology is there, the tests are there. But they're not FDA approved. While I think they are fairly close to being approved, we have let several weeks go by and to me that's tragic."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭jarvis


    Does anyone else think the uk daily new cases is very very low for the last few days?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    26405646-8150745-image-a-3_1585161786660.jpg

    ExCel centre in London - plan to convert to a covid19 hospital

    Apparently there will be two mortuaries onsite


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Where the ExCel centre is in London.

    City airport next door has been closed down today - so that the military can use it.

    26398712-8150745-Just_across_the_River_London_City_Airport_has_suspended_all_priv-a-21_1585155113776.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Everyday the same questions arise
    - how many have we tested to date
    - how many were tested today
    - how many can we test each day
    - how many are waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting for results

    And then when the numbers come out

    Oh well the testing numbers dont mean anything anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    Where is tonight’s briefing being aired ? Is it rte one or rte news now ? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Just says they were leaving their jobs - didn't say they have quit?
    How much notice would doctors need to give?

    One of them says here that they quit.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/65-irish-doctors-quit-jobs-in-australia-to-fight-virus-at-home-but-cant-get-flights-39070555.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    The Big Brother shed?
    They should organise a tele poll to see who leaves the shed!

    Quick tell Channel 4 the new series of Big Brother rather then been evicted and lose you can leave when your healthy and win


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Any numbers from Italy today


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Given that every celebrity/football player etc. in the UK seems to have the virus, does anybody believe that they only had 187 new cases today?

    Source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The UK have made it very clear they are only testing limited numbers (based on hospitalisations/vulnerable groups). That's why the NI confirmed figures are low compared to ROI

    ROI is moving onto a similar basis of testing - if it had continued as was it would have been testing twice as much of it's population (in percentage terms) than anyone else. We adopted a testing policy which was pretty much unsustainable until the changes introduced today (and hence the massive backlog that had built up)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Kalyke wrote: »
    Stop!! You will have Bono writing us a song!

    Be good if celebrities who can afford it will follow suit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Everyday the same questions arise
    - how many have we tested to date
    - how many were tested today
    - how many can we test each day
    - how many are waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting for results

    And then when the numbers come out

    Oh well the testing numbers dont mean anything anyway.

    And every day you come back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    jarvis wrote: »
    Does anyone else think the uk daily new cases is very very low for the last few days?

    How many did they announce for today? I can't find it online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    Where is tonight’s briefing being aired ? Is it rte one or rte news now ? Thanks

    RTE News Now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    jarvis wrote: »
    Does anyone else think the uk daily new cases is very very low for the last few days?

    The English figures haven't been published yet today, for some mysterious reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I think he was talking about mental health problems people with high anxiety and people in isolation with there abuser. I am agreeing with you on your last line

    Well ended up they were not talking about that and today I realized you can quote yourself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭testtech05


    The English figures haven't been published yet today, for some mysterious reason.

    Thanks I had just read a few posts seemingly suggesting the numbers were low so that made me curious to find out then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,193 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog





    A warning from the WHO today...

    "To slow the spread of COVID-19, many countries have introduced unprecedented measures, at significant social and economic cost," said Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO director-general.

    "We understand that these countries are now trying to assess when and how they will be able to ease these measures," he said. "The last thing any country needs is to open schools and businesses, only to be forced to close them again because of a resurgence."

    "How many more [lives are lost] will be determined by the decisions we make and the actions we take."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Any numbers from Italy today

    683 deaths.
    Not sure about the exact number of new cases but I did read it was an increase of 7.5% and that it was the third consecutive day where growth was under 10%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Everyday the same questions arise
    - how many have we tested to date
    - how many were tested today
    - how many can we test each day
    - how many are waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting to be tested
    - how long are you waiting for results

    And then when the numbers come out

    Oh well the testing numbers dont mean anything anyway.

    Would it be an idea to have a thread with these answered for each day...no chat.

    Similar to weather forum..MT Cranium posts daily forecast

    Just an idea to have centralised numbers


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    live stats stream from Korea.

    Has been running 24/7 since the end of January ( see description over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgylp3Td1Bw )





  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The English figures haven't been published yet today, for some mysterious reason.

    they were published a couple of hours ago. 87 deaths today I think


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    froog wrote: »
    i said not everyone can be a medical doctor. nothing you have said proves otherwise.

    You said anyone could get a Phd, which is absolute rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Informagician


    1564 cases 9 deaths. From the HSE tracker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    marilynrr wrote: »

    Also says - "There are doctors who planned to stay another year but have now decided to go home."

    Like it's great that they want to come home - but imagine if some doctors working in hospital in Ireland just decided to go straight back to Oz with no notice . I don't think we would be too happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    they were published a couple of hours ago. 87 deaths today I think


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

    They're yesterday's figures


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Spain thought they'd never be like Italy. The Uk who are next in line also. Or the US

    Given that we have at the moment and had until recently direct flights to and from all these countries with no checks at our airports and no mandatory isolation for those coming from there, it seems likely we could be as bad as them two weeks from now.

    But they are all densely populated countries or at least heavily urbanised countries. Two weeks ago I wouldn't have dreamed of suggesting we would be different from those countries but we have to start investigating how we compare to other countries when it comes to virus like the flu this should give is some indication of how we will be affected by this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Marje wrote: »

    I'm not a fan of FG but I had a bit of a soft spot for Simon Harris though. I always thought he was thrown into the deep end and many people were and are too critical of him. I like him and he comes across very well here and genuine and sincere. I hope he minds himself during this sh1tstorm of a crisis and hopefully he has someone at home looking after him too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Also says - "There are doctors who planned to stay another year but have now decided to go home."

    Like it's great that they want to come home - but imagine if some doctors working in hospital in Ireland just decided to go straight back to Oz with no notice . I don't think we would be too happy.

    I know that we wouldn't be happy about it, but I think it's their choice.
    Some of them are probably terrified for their own families and want to be in their home countries.


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