CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

25-03-2020 02:55PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!

So you are suggesting we just test at random rather than identify suspect cases?

Quin_Dub · 25-03-2020 02:55PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is social distancing working, are we flatten the curve?

Too early to tell properly , but there was some encouraging info from Dr Holohan last night.

He said that 2 weeks ago when they were doing contact tracing , the average number of contacts per person was 20 , however in recent days the average number of contacts was 5.

That would suggest that social distancing is having an effect - but we probably won't see it in the numbers for a while yet.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:55PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I'd prefer to follow Korea than China.

Korea definitely seem to have the balance right between being extreme authoritarian and being a liberal democracy. It's their policy of "extreme transparency" which does seem to have brought the public along over there.

nacho libre · 25-03-2020 02:55PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Yogis ?

Hypnosis ?

Schrödinger's Work ?

Double-Slit Experiment ?

?

If you meant by better outcomes, people being better able to cope with the trauma of a serious illness like cancer, then of course there are benefits to being positive and being strong willed, but these traits won't cure you. However i assume that's not a claim you were making.

Musefan · 25-03-2020 02:56PM

Xertz wrote: »

This is worrying:

A doctor from St James’s Hospital in Dublin appealing for PPE from anyone who might have it in the food or pharma industry:

https://twitter.com/nealcummins/status/1242763529343709185?s=21

My understanding, from looking at comments, this refers to a request for industries that are not using PPE to donate it.

10000maniacs · 25-03-2020 02:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

You can't cast the net too wide if we are told we are doing what South Korea, which Leo told just yesterday we were.

You need buy in from the populous.

Telling 40,000 people who have been waiting up to 10 days for a test that they are no longer in the q is wildly acting the bollix. A lot of them would not have come out of their bedrooms.

They need to start being honest, admit they fúcked it and move on.

If confidence is lost, it won't work.

If they don't have the resources, they need to prioritize any resources they do have.
A militant lockdown would be another way of maximizing resources.

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 02:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No. But then, Europe hasn't passed the point where they've gotten a handle on the cases popping up. Which is why enforcing the social distancing or limited locking down of the country makes sense.. to give the hospitals and governments the time to manage things better.

Okay but the problem arises if we're doing our level best with that and it's still not enough, and our ICUs end up being overwhelmed like those in Italy and Spain.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 02:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

You can't cast the net too wide if we are told we are doing what South Korea, which Leo told just yesterday we were.

You need buy in from the populous.

Telling 40,000 people who have been waiting up to 10 days for a test that they are no longer in the q is wildly acting the bollix. A lot of them would not have come out of their bedrooms.

They need to start being honest, admit they fúcked it and move on.

If confidence is lost, it won't work.

This stuff all comes from the team running this. At the latest briefing they said this is from a public health perspective. That may be no solace at all to some on the original list but those people have that option to reengage with their GP. I don't think we can test that many people, certainly not if all they get is 6% positives or even lower.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 02:59PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

If they don't have the resources, they need to prioritize any resources they do have.

Yes, but you need to be honest about that, like they have told us from day one they would be.

They made the backlog go away by moving the goal posts.

That is going to píss off and scare a lot of people.

The noises I have been hearing the past few days along with that "stunt" does not sound good.

Antares35 · 25-03-2020 03:00PM

Spain's death toll has surpassed China's

They are saying that this "will be the worst week" and they "expect it to peak". Is there an implication then that they expect the numbers to start dropping after this week?

Boggles · 25-03-2020 03:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This stuff all comes from the team running this. At the latest briefing they said this is from a public health perspective. That may be no solace at all to some on the original list but those people have that option to reengage with their GP. I don't think we can test that many people, certainly not if all they get is 6% positives or even lower.

Leo said we were following the South Korea model yesterday?

All the signs point to them failing.

Doctors now on Twitter asking for PPE.

The last few days can not be spun into a positive, so please stop doing it.

We get it, your a paid up Fine Gael party member.

Sometimes you need to put that to one side or you won't be taken seriously.

bekker · 25-03-2020 03:03PM

What is the purpose of the testing programme, both original and as modified and modified?

If it is ,

to evaluate the extent of penetration of the virus then statistically valid, repeated randomised testing of the population the best answer.

to identify and rapidly treat those who are displaying symptoms of serious reaction then fast GP triaging, fast testing and fast processing.

to test the cohort who are statistically most vulnerable then selection by existing medical record is the best answer, but to test 400,000+?

to reassure the population then the present strategy seems to be effective, but meaningless as a strategy for any of the above.

This a repost from yesterday but when I came on today it appears the testing issue has resurfaced, interestingly nobody here seems to discern any objective for the testing other than the last one.

Testing health workers and in hospital patients is a separate issue and being handle by the new in-house hospital.

Fr_Dougal · 25-03-2020 03:03PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Spain's death toll has surpassed China's

They are saying that this "will be the worst week" and they "expect it to peak". Is there an implication then that they expect the numbers to start dropping after this week?

I don’t have any faith in China’s published death rate.

eagle eye · 25-03-2020 03:03PM

Strazdas wrote:

Yes, that's it : full restrictions in place until that date, meaning no school or non essential business can reopen before that day.

If we go full lockdown we can get there that quickly maybe. If we continue going as we are right now with people going to work using public transport then no chance.

Blaze420 · 25-03-2020 03:03PM

https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-corona-challenge-5057119-Mar2020/

Anyone indulging in this disgusting practice needs their jaw broken at the least, ****ing scum. Couldn’t care less what age you are or if your filthy girlfriend is with you, do this around me and I’ll kill the both of ye where ye stand.

25-03-2020 03:04PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay but the problem arises if we're doing our level best with that and it's still not enough, and our ICUs end up being overwhelmed like those in Italy and Spain.

ok. Let me get this straight. the logic is... we shouldn't do more to limit the virus spread because it might not be enough?

You seriously don't see the flaw in that? I can't really believe that this needs to be spelled out.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 03:04PM

sirmanga wrote: »

Well yeah, I know it was the cancer that killed him. I just always wondered would he have died as quickly if he hadn't gone for that work medical. He was perfectly fine, a strapping big man, working in security we were. Awful stuff.
But it just made me think about this virus. Some people take bad news better than others. There is definitely a mental element to dealing with a physical illness.

I get what you are saying but just don’t subscribe. I’ve been dealing with cancer for five years and I can be an unbelievable moper and go through serious bouts of hopelessness. I have seen so many way more positive people go to their graves over the last five years. I just hate the thought that their mental strength is in any way questioned when I know that some of them put me to shame, attitude-wise.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 03:05PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

That is not true.. they declared it was a pandemic when it actually was one.

Declaring a pandemic too early would have caused some countries to stop tracing contacts and to give up on confronting the virus aggressively.

The reason they do not recommend travel restrictions is to make sure that trade continues and things like PPEs for the front line medical staff are available everywhere.

Musefan wrote: »

My understanding, from looking at comments, this refers to a request for industries that are not using PPE to donate it.

I’m still amazed at how generally poor the PPE is in all the hospitals I’m seeing around the world. It’s fairly clear we never had protocols in place for any kind of mass pandemic anywhere in the developed world. If we did there would have been a stock of proper biohazard suits for frontline staff. The type you would see in a virology or similar laboratory setting. They’re comfortable to wear, safe and so on.

We’re going to have to redesign all of that gear starting immediately. Hopefully it is being mass manufactured somewhere.

Also if we’ve any clothing industries left, could they help? It must be possible to supply them with patterns and appropriate raw materials to make disposable suits. Although, I don’t think we have many clothing factories other than probably relative low volume high end stuff.

facehugger99 · 25-03-2020 03:05PM

Boggles wrote: »

Leo said we were following the South Korea model yesterday?

All the signs point to them failing.

Doctors now on Twitter asking for PPE.

The last few days can not be spun into a positive, so please stop doing it.

We get it, your a paid up Fine Gael party member.

Sometimes you need to put that to one side or you won't be taken seriously.

Isn't it curious that a lad that bots all over the SF threads with his pro-Shinner warblings would have a problem with the Govt response to the Corona issue.

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 03:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

ok. Let me get this straight. the logic is... we shouldn't do more to limit the virus spread because it might not be enough?

You seriously don't see the flaw in that? I can't really believe that this needs to be spelled out.

I'm not questioning the current strategy, I don't have a better plan. I'm questioning your blithe assumption that it's going to turn things around within a short space of time.

nacho libre · 25-03-2020 03:07PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I get what you are saying but just don’t subscribe. I’ve been dealing with cancer for five years and I can be an unbelievable moper and go through serious bouts of hopelessness. I have seen so many way more positive people go to their graves over the last five years. I just hate the thought that their mental strength is in any way questioned when I know that some of them put me to shame, attitude-wise.

My father was strong willed and positive up until the end, I believe it definitely gave him more time( they said he would be dead last March- he lasted till February of this year), but unfortunately positivity has its limits as you say.

25-03-2020 03:08PM

bekker wrote: »

What is the purpose of the testing programme, both original and as modified and modified?

If it is ,

to evaluate the extent of penetration of the virus then statistically valid, repeated randomised testing of the population the best answer.

to identify and rapidly treat those who are displaying symptoms of serious reaction then fast GP triaging, fast testing and fast processing.

to test the cohort who are statistically most vulnerable then selection by existing medical record is the best answer, but to test 400,000+?

to reassure the population then the present strategy seems to be effective, but meaningless as a strategy for any of the above.

This a repost from yesterday but when I came on today it appears the testing issue has resurfaced, interestingly nobody here seems to discern any objective for the testing other than the last one.

Testing health workers and in hospital patients is a separate issue and being handle by the new in-house hospital.

It ensures that scarce testing resources are focused on those most likely to have COVID19 or who have come in contact with those who have it. As capacity increases it can be revisited, but wasting tests on people with the sniffles, who in all likelyhood will test negative, while others with fever and respiratory symptoms or confirmed close contacts have to wait is madness

eagle eye · 25-03-2020 03:08PM

Blaze420 wrote:

Anyone indulging in this disgusting practice needs their jaw broken at the least, ****ing scum. Couldnâ€™t care less what age you are or if your filthy girlfriend is with you, do this around me and Iâ€™ll kill the both of ye where ye stand.

This is going to lead to serious assaults and possibly people being killed. People are under huge stress both trying to steer clear of the virus and financially. Somebody is going to lose it if somebody coughs in their face.

Tell me how · 25-03-2020 03:08PM

Xertz wrote: »

I’m still amazed at how generally poor the PPE is in all the hospitals I’m seeing around the world. It’s fairly clear we never had protocols in place for any kind of mass pandemic anywhere in the developed world. If we did there would have been a stock of proper biohazard suits for frontline staff. The type you would see in a virology or similar laboratory setting. They’re comfortable to wear, safe and so on.

We’re going to have to redesign all of that gear starting immediately. Hopefully it is being mass manufactured somewhere.

Also if we’ve any clothing industries left, could they help? It must be possible to supply them with patterns and appropriate raw materials to make disposable suits. Although, I don’t think we have many clothing factories other than probably relative low volume high end stuff.

O'Neils sporting wear have re-purposed their factory to make gowns for medical industry.

johnnyskeleton · 25-03-2020 03:09PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Loss of taste and smell widely being reported as symptoms as well

That's good, because I've stocked up on a lot of pot noodles for this crisis!

xabi · 25-03-2020 03:10PM

Varadkar revising the 15,000 down to 6,000

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1242808758184677378?s=21

Blaze420 · 25-03-2020 03:10PM

eagle eye wrote: »

This is going to lead to serious assaults and possibly people being killed. People are under huge stress both trying to steer clear of the virus and financially. Somebody is going to lose it if somebody coughs in their face.

Darwinism at its finest - people engaging in this don’t realise the time we are in now. Stay away from people and if you think you are funny you might be very surprised at the reaction you get - hopefully along with some brain damage to teach you a ****ing lesson about common decency.

eagle eye · 25-03-2020 03:12PM

facehugger99 wrote:

Isn't it curious that a lad that bots all over the SF threads with his pro-Shinner warblings would have a problem with the Govt response to the Corona issue.

This isn't a political thread. I'm sick reading crap like this with childish point scoring.
Just ignore anything you don't like and move on rather than coming back at somebody for no good reason.

STB. · 25-03-2020 03:12PM

FVP3 wrote: »

No it hasn't. Deaths are low.

You've been trolling this thread with your insane panic, much of which lacks an understanding of what is going on, and what Ireland is attempting to do.

The only people trolling this thread are those that continuously ignore the warning signs about how it went wrong in other countries and feed it with incorrect, misleading or nonsense.

You are one of the main protagonists. Claiming that we were following the South Korean model.

Its not panic. Its highlighting that we are meant to be controlling the spread, so that our health care system can treat those affadted over the next while, so it doesn't get unmanageable to the extent of Italy and Spain and other countries that have (had) state of the art health systems.

Meanwhile we have abandoned a symptomatic community of 40k when just under half of our transmissions are at community level and caused much confusion and stress.

Deaths rates will only remain low, if our health system does not become overwhelmed to the extent that we are triaging. Of course if we are not testing we cannot contain the spread so we are heading down the wrong road.

Akrasia · 25-03-2020 03:12PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

If they don't have the resources, they need to prioritize any resources they do have.
A militant lockdown would be another way of maximizing resources.

We have 7000 ish serving members of the defence forces. They can't lock down a single city never mind the entire country. We require that the good will of the population is maintained and that people observe the restrictions through social pressure rather than strict enforcement by the security services

The Defence forces and reserves and Civil defence would be much more useful in a supporting role, transporting essential equipment and personel, distributing food and medical supplies to people who cannot leave their homes, and to places like nursing homes and high dependency units

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