CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Sono Topolino · 25-03-2020 02:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are rolling it back, they are reorganising it so that they identify more cases.

They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!

weldoninhio · 25-03-2020 02:34PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Yep I was astonished when I heard that!

And it is not just about testing. Varadkar must not have seen pictures South Korea with everyone wearing masks, must not have seen their policies with regards to screening/restricting people entering the country, and must not know the extend of their contract tracing and confinement enforcement policies. Either that or he is deliberately lying.

Everything with Leo is spin and PR.

RandomName2 · 25-03-2020 02:34PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

True there was a 21 year old footballer in Spain that died from it and turned out he was riddled with cancer

I wouldn't necessarily say 'riddled'. He had cancer, but was unaware of this before he got diagnosed with Covid-19. He was working full time as a football coach.

fritzelly · 25-03-2020 02:34PM

I'm convinced caveat is cosgrave

Valhallapt · 25-03-2020 02:34PM

Test Test Test, that’s how you beat this. While I am disappointed that we failed to scale up testing, cutting it back now is the right step, the tests were so delayed they may as well not have happened.

The only purpose of testing is to enable contact tracing, the point of contact tracing is to get people to isolate, if the info is 10 days old it’s too late for them to isolate.

At least now we might get a quicker turn around on contact tracing.

I wonder if it would be prudent to contact trace before we get a positive test? If you meet the new criteria perhaps that enough to trigger contact tracing and subsequent isolation?

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mickey Mouse himself.

Coming soon, to a playground near you:

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 02:36PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!

No they are narrowing the parameters for the 94% to date who have nothing. They are still going to be doing 4500 tests a day.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 02:36PM

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm convinced caveat is cosgrave

Source?

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:36PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!

that is indeed the worrying aspect - asymptomatic carriers have been extensively well documented by now.

25-03-2020 02:36PM

Do we all agree our labs are at 100% right now?

If we do, what is a better strategy:
1. Test a load of randomers
2. Test people who we know are more likely to carry the virus

Anyone?

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 02:36PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I would say end of May would be a good bet. All the indications are that the virus has an 8-10 week cycle and then starts to lessen.

You see... this is the level of ignorance that's out there!

There are no indications what so ever that the virus has a 'cycle'. Perhaps you are confusing the slow down some countries experience when they introduce stricter physical distancing?

25-03-2020 02:36PM

gabeeg wrote: »

No, we're now going against WHO guidelines

I presume you have read them then? Just in case you haven't
https://www.who.int/publications-detail/global-surveillance-for-human-infection-with-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

I can take out the relevant section:
Suspect case
A. A patient with acute respiratory illness (fever and at least one sign/symptom of respiratory disease, e.g., cough, shortness of
breath), AND a history of travel to or residence in a location reporting community transmission of COVID-19 disease during the
14 days prior to symptom onset;
OR
B. A patient with any acute respiratory illness AND having been in contact with a confirmed or probable COVID-19 case (see
definition of contact) in the last 14 days prior to symptom onset;
OR
C. A patient with severe acute respiratory illness (fever and at least one sign/symptom of respiratory disease, e.g., cough,
shortness of breath; AND requiring hospitalization) AND in the absence of an alternative diagnosis that fully explains the clinical
presentation.

RandomName2 · 25-03-2020 02:36PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Test Test Test, that’s how you beat this. While I am disappointed that we failed to scale up testing, cutting it back now is the right step, the tests were so delayed they may as well not have happened.

We need more testing kits, more testers, and more testing facilities.

To begin with we were entirely dependent on a single lab in UCD.

They've left it quite late to scale it up, but they are trying to at the moment.
The 'cutting back' is not really cutting back it's just priotitization.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 02:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He's a benign emptor.

Better than being a gullible emptor.

STB. · 25-03-2020 02:37PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They will test priority groups and those who satisfy the latest algorithm.

Algorithm, my arse. Can you stop talking out of yours please. Pandemics don't follow algorithms. It can be totally random or in clusters.

They have abandoned a 40k waiting list that has accumulated over 2 weeks, because its too much. It took them 2 weeks to realise that. A containment phase lost, that will show up in great numbers over the coming weeks.

They have abandoned community testing at a time when 45% of our recorded cases are community transmissions.

WHY is the question ?

Drumpot · 25-03-2020 02:38PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Yep I was astonished when I heard that!

And it is not just about testing. Varadkar must not have seen pictures South Korea with everyone wearing masks, must not have seen their policies with regards to screening/restricting people entering the country, and must not know the extend of their contract tracing and confinement enforcement policies. Either that or he is deliberately lying.

South Korea have a government, a system and a population ready to deal with this after having these sort of issues before. South Korea were also dealing with the start of this when the rest of the world was open for business and medial resources easily available.

Ireland trying to follow the South Korea strategy is great but to expect us to be able to match what they are doing is unreasonable. People are holding our government to a ridiculously high standard without factoring in no country is prepared for this. We aren’t the only country struggling to get the resources we want to deal with it but at least our country is trying to be more like The best (South Korea) at dealing with it , then trying to make sh*t up (uk/USA) or leaving it too late like the rest of Europe. So far the tiered closedown has been way ahead of a lot of European countries or at least level with most...

Mistakes will be made, but that’s supposedly what happens in crisis, the key thing is to learn from mistakes and to regroup.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 02:38PM

If you're waiting for a test. Self isolate.

Curious_Case · 25-03-2020 02:38PM

nacho libre wrote: »

Sigh. If only that were true

Yogis ?

Hypnosis ?

Schrödinger's Work ?

Double-Slit Experiment ?

BluePlanet · 25-03-2020 02:39PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

"Those seeking Covid-19 test must display two major symptoms under new rules"

RTE News.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0325/1126202-those-seeking-test-must-display-two-major-symptoms/

"New rules have been introduced for Covid-19 testing, which means patients will need to meet revised criteria to qualify in future.

Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested.

These are close contacts of a confirmed case, healthcare staff and vulnerable groups."

That 3rd criteria: bolded bit is important.
Cleverly under-stressed by our national broadcaster.

Strazdas · 25-03-2020 02:39PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

What indications? From Asian countries that may be different from Europe in all sorts of ways helpful to restricting the spread of the virus that have yet to be established?

Several European countries are reporting a slowdown in growth following lockdown or partial lockdown. The idea that the virus just continues to grow exponentially and infect an entire population is not in vogue (the whole point of a curve is that it indicates a virus which goes back into retreat again).

Valhallapt · 25-03-2020 02:39PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

We need more testing kits, more testers, and more testing facilities.

To begin with we were entirely dependent on a single lab in UCD.

They've left it quite late to scale it up, but they are trying to at the moment.
The 'cutting back' is not really cutting back it's just priotitization.

We’ve been listening for weeks about scaling up testing, it rings hollow now.

I agree it’s prioritisation and it is necessary, what is not necessary is to spin that we’re doing great at testing.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 02:39PM

Meanwhile in Belgium hospital admissions have surged 50% in just 24 hours

At a daily briefing, Belgium’s federal crisis centre announced that 434 people had been admitted to hospital in the last 24 hours, an increase of 50% on the previous day. Hospital admissions had declined for two consecutive days, although experts had previously warned against calling that decline a trend.

Belgium now counts 4,937 people with a coronavirus diagnosis, an increase of 668 cases in the last 24 hours. A total of 178 people have lost their lives, including 56 recorded in the last count. Officials said not all had died in the last 24 hours and there had been delays in recording people who had passed away in care homes.

Crisis centre spokesman Emmanuel André said the increase in hospitalisations was significant: “It is very clear that we are not yet at the peak of the epidemic.” He added that it was very important that current measures - a nationwide lockdown - remain in force.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/mar/25/coronavirus-live-news-india-lockdown-italy-cases-restrictions-uk-us-outbreak-australia-china-hubei-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e7b51928f08af215f6fae8c#liveblog-navigation

rossie1977 · 25-03-2020 02:39PM

Only 4% of tests in Ireland have come back as positive https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1124971-coronavirus-covid19-ireland/

Maybe the new testing methods will identify more people who have the virus

rovers_runner · 25-03-2020 02:40PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

Rolling back testing right now is a complete joke. Claire Byrne had no fever!

I can’t believe people still think it’s ok to go out jogging, panting into people’s faces. Should be banned.

And kids hanging out in large groups in parks with not a Garda in sight. Time for martial law!

Just as well it doesn't matter a f*ck what you think.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 02:41PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No they are narrowing the parameters for the 94% to date who have nothing. They are still going to be doing 4500 tests a day.

The South Korea model that Leo touted even yesterday would not be narrowing parameters, 94% would be tested.

It was aspirational to follow the model and from I can see the 4,500 is aspirational too, just like the 15,000 figure.

We are not following the South Korea because we can't.

We are following the new Irish model, the old one failed up to this point.

We have changed tactic because of that failure. This is not a news story that should be spun into something positive.

Honesty is key if you want buy in. The government have had a poor few days, they need to up it.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:41PM

Renee Kind Historian wrote: »

Do we all agree our labs are at 100% right now?

If we do, what is a better strategy:
1. Test a load of randomers
2. Test people who we know are more likely to carry the virus

Anyone?

get the Irish embassy in Seoul to hire all Irish English-language teachers ( who will more than likely probably all speak Korean to a good degree) , so that they can send regular reports to the embassy ( and then onto the government).

bit radical maybe.. might ruffle a few feathers in the civil service. but we are in extraordinary times.

25-03-2020 02:41PM

johnfás wrote: »

Probably not quite accurate though... as the ICU numbers will also be reducing by deaths and recoveries? Above seems to assume that nobody ever leaves hospital or ICU.

You also can’t make the assumption that the percentage needing ICU will remain the same. As you test more you are catching a lot more people who have milder symptoms so the percentage needing icu will reduce (as a function of overall positive tests) where as now those needing hospitalisation are a fairly significant number of those tested.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 02:41PM

STB. wrote: »

Algorithm, my arse. Can you stop talking out of yours please. Pandemics don't follow algorithms. It can be totally random or in clusters.

They have abandoned a 40k waiting list that has accumulated over 2 weeks, because its too much. It took then 2 weeks to realise that.

They have abandoned community testing at a time when 45% of our recorded cases are community transmissions.

WHY is the question ?

The new algorithm.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/

I think a lot of people have already answered that question of why and it is based on the latest briefing.

Blueshoe · 25-03-2020 02:42PM

On the other hand only testing people who have two or more symptoms might mean one infected untested person with mild symptoms passes it onto another who ends up dieing. Time will tell

jackboy · 25-03-2020 02:43PM

STB. wrote: »

Algorithm, my arse. Can you stop talking out of yours please. Pandemics don't follow algorithms. It can be totally random or in clusters.

They have abandoned a 40k waiting list that has accumulated over 2 weeks, because its too much. It took them 2 weeks to realise that. A containment phase lost, that will show up in great numbers over the coming weeks.

They have abandoned community testing at a time when 45% of our recorded cases are community transmissions.

WHY is the question ?

Because they never had the capacity and never had a plan. Those things were announced as a PR exercise.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP