CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 02:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, yes. By locking down areas. And by enforcing social distancing in others.

People have adjusted to the new reality. Hand washing, masks, etc.

Have these measures been shown to have succeeded in halting the spread of the virus in any European country yet?

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 02:01PM

JRant wrote: »

Oh I get that alright. What I don't get is the argument that we can just shut everything down for 18 months and hope it goes away. That's the cure that kills the patient. As the WHO have been saying from very early, a widespread testing program with contact tracing is a very effective measure in controlling this from spreading massively. You don't get everyone to stay indoors and hope for the best.

That's right, people seem to forget that is their long term recommendation. Not, stay indoors.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 02:02PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Have these measures been shown to have succeeded in halting the spread of the virus in any European country yet?

It's definitely slowed down the rate of increase.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 02:02PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

that nephew of mine....the 16 yr old.....who was very sick last week, but nearly fully recovered now....he got sick 10 days ago and was waiting all last week for a test, was told every day they would try and get to him next day.....dunno if theres any point at all now, is there ?

bit of background....he was extremely sick, couldnt get out of bed to shower for 3 days of it...fever (39.1)...persistent dry cough, headache, sick stomach...his face was so swollen and red...hes very fit, does boxing and football, and never sick, fit as a hare with no weight on him...and its the fact that he has those symptoms on that week...he had to self-isolate until next week, not just to the house, but to his bedroom only.
family are all on isolation...my wife getting their shopping etc and leaving at their gate.

anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?

No I dont see any point personally

Tell me how · 25-03-2020 02:03PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?

wakka12 wrote: »

No I dont see any point personally

Talk to a Dr, not the internet.

25-03-2020 02:03PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Have these measures been shown to have succeeded in halting the spread of the virus in any European country yet?

I love the language.. halting the spread of the virus... where did I suggest that we could stop the spread of the virus? :rolleyes:

Pdoghue · 25-03-2020 02:04PM

Just watching PM questions in the House of Commons, just finished. At the end, they all, including Bojo just filed past the speaker, not 2 metres apart at all!! Some example to be setting..

grouchyman · 25-03-2020 02:04PM

Anybody else browned off hearing the word lockdown?

25-03-2020 02:05PM

kalkat2002 wrote: »

So all this started in China and now all tests,masks,etc are being buy to them...what a business !!

Jesus people are thick. You think China started this so they could sell a few ****ing masks?

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 02:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I love the language.. halting the spread of the virus... where did I suggest that we could stop the spread of the virus? :rolleyes:

it isn't the aim anyway, it's flattening the curve is what we are after. Looking at the logarithmic graph for Italy they have done that.

25-03-2020 02:05PM

94% of tests negative..

take everything · 25-03-2020 02:05PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

that nephew of mine....the 16 yr old.....who was very sick last week, but nearly fully recovered now....he got sick 10 days ago and was waiting all last week for a test, was told every day they would try and get to him next day.....dunno if theres any point at all now, is there ?

bit of background....he was extremely sick, couldnt get out of bed to shower for 3 days of it...fever (39.1)...persistent dry cough, headache, sick stomach...his face was so swollen and red...hes very fit, does boxing and football, and never sick, fit as a hare with no weight on him...and its the fact that he has those symptoms on that week...he had to self-isolate until next week, not just to the house, but to his bedroom only.
family are all on isolation...my wife getting their shopping etc and leaving at their gate.

anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?

Glad to hear he's recovered.
Has self-isolation for him been successful in stopping the spread to his family if you don't mind me asking.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 02:06PM

STB. wrote: »

Hammer journalists, to ask probing questions and get some action. If there are not enough state labs, then the biochemical companies should be asked, and god knows there is enough of them in Ireland.

Varadkar is telling people we are following the South Korea model. We are doing nothing of the sort.

We don't have the facilities to test the 40k that have accumulated over the last 11-12 days. And they sat on their hands and let that stagnate. As a result people havent a clue whats going on and we dont have a firm grip on our actual contagion, the whole purpose of which was to avoid the spread of the virus, so as to not overwhelm our hospitals.

We have now abandoned the 40,000 that were showing symptoms and they wont be tested at all, because someone sat on their hands.

45% of our cases are from community transmission and we have now switched to test criteria that doesn't test for community transmission.

You couldn't make it up.

6% from tests is not going to find many cases. It's pointless to test 40K+ and only find 2.5K new cases. New algorithm offers more likelihood of a higher level of positives and more cases.

STB. · 25-03-2020 02:06PM

FVP3 wrote: »

That's right, people seem to forget that is their long term recommendation. Not, stay indoors.

Its not a long term recommendation. Its an immediate recommendation, that needs to be done quickly, otherwise the rates of contagion overtake your testing numbers. FFS.

is_that_so wrote: »

6% from tests is not going to find many cases. It's pointless to test 40K+ and only find 2.5K new cases. New algorithm offers more likelihood of a higher level of positives and more cases.

Absolute nonsense. So its pointless to just abandon testing of symptomatic people altogether ???

Don't assume anything. 6% of 18,000 is not a data set that sets a trend. When community contagion overtook "have you been in Italy testing" that is the dataset that is indicative, if anything.

But now we have abandoned community testing of those showing symptoms when 45% of our cases were from the community.

Deleted User wrote: »

94% of tests negative..

The original tests. We dont know about the 40k waiting as they simply abandoned them.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:06PM

Youth arrested in Dungarvan for deliberately coughing at Gardai , who were breaking up a gathering of 100 "youths"

( RTE radio 1)

Another youth was arrested in Dun Laoghaire for the same offense.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 02:06PM

Very good article in guardian detailing UK approach.

So what is called “evidence-based” methods have a dire track record and are pretty much evidence-free. This scientism also manifests itself in Boris Johnson’s chief adviser Dominic Cummings’s love of complexity and complex systems (our speciality) which he appears to apply incorrectly. And letting a segment of the population die for the sake of the economy is a false dichotomy – aside from the moral repugnance of the idea.

As we said, when one deals with deep uncertainty, both governance and precaution require us to hedge for the worst. While risk-taking is a business that is left to individuals, collective safety and systemic risk are the business of the state. Failing that mandate of prudence by gambling with the lives of citizens is a professional wrongdoing that extends beyond academic mistake; it is a violation of the ethics of governing.

The obvious policy left now is a lockdown, with overactive testing and contact tracing: follow the evidence from China and South Korea rather than thousands of error-prone computer codes. So we have wasted weeks, and ones that matter with a multiplicative threat.

Source:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-policy-scientific-dominic-cummings

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 02:07PM

kalkat2002 wrote: »

So all this started in China and now all tests,masks,etc are being buy to them...what a business !!

They have proven to me anyway, that modern industrial societies need...industry.

Without factories you cant retool to make medical supplies or whatever you need.

take everything · 25-03-2020 02:07PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus people are thick. You think China started this so they could sell a few ****ing masks?

LMAO
Stranger things have happened in this mad world.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 02:07PM

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President of Slovakia not letting coronavirus get in the way of fashion!

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:07PM

is_that_so wrote: »

6% from tests is not going to find many cases. It's pointless to test 40K+ and only find 2.5K new cases. New algorithm offers more likelihood of a higher level of positives and more cases.

the South Korean model is to test extensively - testing people with "symptoms" is NOT the South Korea strategy. At all.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 02:07PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

Youth arrested in Dungarvan for deliberately coughing at Gardai , who were breaking up a gathering of 100 "youths"

( RTE radio 1)

Another youth was arrested in Dun Laoghaire for the same offense.

They should be severely punished and/or beaten. No excuse at a time of war.

dougm1970 · 25-03-2020 02:08PM

take everything wrote: »

Glad to hear he's recovered.
Has self-isolation for him been successful in stopping the spread to his family if you don't mind me asking.

they seem ok.....stressed out...but not symptoms....they were very strict with the instructions given that he could not leave his bedroom though.

TTLF · 25-03-2020 02:08PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1242800009256611841

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 02:08PM

The government here and governments elsewhere never seem to get ahead of covid19.

Look at Ireland, they always wait until the case numbers look bad before doing anything, by which time its too late. Same in the UK. This was the Italian approach too. Wait until case numbers explode and then initiate lockdowns and travel bans.

Its a pity we couldn't try for once to do stuff before numbers explode. Even in the US, some states have ordered those coming from NYC to isolate. Here though we don't do that.

bilston · 25-03-2020 02:09PM

Sky reporting that a 21 year old woman with no underlying health conditions has died in England of Covid 19.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 02:09PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

They should be severely punished and/or beaten. No excuse at a time of war.

There's going to be a more extensive report on this on RTE Radio 1 , news at one, in the next half hour or so. "Coughing" assaults on Gardai on the rise.

take everything · 25-03-2020 02:09PM

Pdoghue wrote: »

Just watching PM questions in the House of Commons, just finished. At the end, they all, including Bojo just filed past the speaker, not 2 metres apart at all!! Some example to be setting..

I can't understand this at all.
And the Trump press conferences. All huddled together. Is it just breathtaking (sorry..) hubris.
Or do they have some elite immunity (half-joking)

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 02:09PM

take everything wrote: »

LMAO
Stranger things have happened in this mad world.

I really can't think of anything stranger or more absurd.

Maybe the Americans did it to take out two of their enemies, China and Iran ( both hit worst at the start)..

I don't believe that either but the argument to who benefits ( cui bono?) is a flawed one.

johnnyskeleton · 25-03-2020 02:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

The comments on this are fantastic.

Without condoning their behavior, I do feel a bit sorry for people of that age. You're only 18-21 once in your life, and the best part of that is the Spring/Summer each year. This generation of them is being told to stay at home for one, possibly two of their three carefree college spring/summertimes.

I also thought, again without condoning, the comments of the two African-Americans to be very interesting. The lady from New Orleans was making the point that life in her city has been devastated for the last 15 years so she is approaching danger and natural disasters from a much lower bar than everyone else. The man made the point that probably resonates with a lot of African-Americans and indeed all working class Americans - that they have to deal with hunger, poverty and lack of healthcare on a daily basis and it's ignored.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 02:11PM

Insurance scumbags.

https://twitter.com/HealthRegLawyer/status/1242792582264098817?s=20

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP