CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

adox · 25-03-2020 01:28PM

So with the new WHO guidelines a lot of people waiting for a test will now not be tested and those with similar symptoms in future won’t be tested either.

Firstly that must be worrying for those who have been waiting on a test. They could easily fall through the net.

Secondly, I presume this will hugely shrink te waiting list and see it grow at a very modest rate short term.

As a layman it seems strange to change the criteria seeing as lots of people have been diagnosed with only mild symptoms, no temperature etc.

We won’t really get anything near an accurate idea of the amount of the population infected.

SpitfireIV · 25-03-2020 01:29PM

Currently working from my apartment, top floor over looking a town park and river; theres a nice stretch of riverside walk. Looking out the window I'm not seeing much change today from the last number of days, still plenty of people out and about, groups of adults and youngins' (three-four) coming and going, as I type this theres three women, two buggies and a few kids, the adults came from different directions and have converged for a natter, not a bother on them. Did see two Garda on bikes earlier though so thats something, right?

Hamsterchops · 25-03-2020 01:29PM

amadangomor wrote: »

For all our failings as a country the government do care about the people when it comes down to something like this. Was tough when we became independent but looks like it certainly worked out in the end.

Scotland had the chance of Independence and didn't take it. I wonder when they see the antics of Boris and the Tories who only care about big business, will they go for it next time.

Not sure what this is about?

Nicola Sturgeon & the SNP have been in harmony with Westminster throughout this crisis, indeed I saw her being interviewed a couple of weeks re school closures, and she said that her experts were in total agreement with the London advisors (who at that time) saw no need to close the schools .. has the harmony ended?

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:29PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is precisely the problem. And it’s not just for a month or two., it could be a year or two.
That is why the current ‘lockdowns’ across the world are unsustainable in the longer term. At some point things are going to get out of control in a public order and industrial relations sense. Workers in the very labour intensive food industry, for instance, will down tools at some point because they won’t want to be in the ‘firing line’.
There is no prospect that this virus is going to be contained anytime soon and a vaccine is still at least a year away. Does anyone seriously believe that a lockdown can be maintained for that length of time. I don’t!

I'm with him. Here's a radical idea. Instead of printing money and giving it to a bank who charge interest on it. Give it to people so they can survive. This too shall pass.

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1242479407031296000?s=20

sirmanga · 25-03-2020 01:30PM

Might be a stupid question/thought, but I wonder how many people who get a positive test result experience a worsening of their symptoms? By that I mean would confirmation of having this big scary virus cause certain people to freak out and "give up" and the stress bring about a worsening of symptoms?
Would not knowing for certain be better for some people in the long run?
I once worked with a guy who found out during a check up that he had cancer, apparently he had it for about a year and he never knew, and he was dead about 2 weeks after he found out. It was like the very idea of having it killed him quicker than the cancer. I'll never forget it.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:30PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Everyone in the same boat. No disadvantage

they are all disadvantaged, they could have a whole year of education lost and get piled in with next year

i presume you can see that

not everyone has a home environment this year to allow them to study

so they are disadvantaged this year

it goes on an on

they might even have a disadvantage against you..

IamtheWalrus · 25-03-2020 01:31PM

adox wrote: »

So with the new WHO guidelines a lot of people waiting for a test will now not be tested and those with similar symptoms in future won’t be tested either.

Firstly that must be worrying for those who have been waiting on a test. They could easily fall through the net.

Secondly, I presume this will hugely shrink te waiting list and see it grow at a very modest rate short term.

As a layman it seems strange to change the criteria seeing as lots of people have been diagnosed with only mild symptoms, no temperature etc.

We won’t really get anything near an accurate idea of the amount of the population infected.

If symptoms are mild, why the need for a test. Surely following WHO guidelines is enough and it'll pass. What does a positive result change?

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:31PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Within the next 2 weeks, so it could easily be two weeks from now, and that's more likely. this shyte of "within" or we have test "above"1000 for example is all shyte talk. it's like saying the Patricks Parade is ON for now, only to turnabout in 24hrs. The Govt and HSE now ahead of time what that are going to do and what's required but they're not being honest. I have a friend who's out of work 3 weeks now because her partner is still waiting on test results, they had to ring again. The reports say one thing but the reality is different. Even the Spanish nurses blamed the media for not reporting major shortages which put them in danger. \to the point of having to leave elderly patients in their beds to die, it was simply a case of staying without PPE or leaving before you got sick, brought it home to the kids and spread it round.

remember t his is the same HSE who dragged women through the courts before they died. The same HSE that had legal letters saying expect large law suits, deny everything... Yes this is unprecedented I do agree but the HSE have huge form for spoofing.

While I dont disagree with some of what you said.

Just to clear up it's the national virus laboratory that is referencing additional labs not the hse. The virus laboratory is part of ucd.

Not disputing the HSE bits for testing in other areas as you've mentioned.

Nonoperational · 25-03-2020 01:31PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Sorry to hear this. I know of others in a similar situation!

And yet some people seem to be falling over themselves to praise our government in their handling of this so far...

I don't think we are getting the full truth of what is going on. These press briefings have more than a whiff of propaganda about them!

I can assure you, we are. You should see the effort being made by the people directly dealing with this. It's encouraging.

rusty cole wrote: »

Within the next 2 weeks, so it could easily be two weeks from now, and that's more likely. this shyte of "within" or we have test "above"1000 for example is all shyte talk. it's like saying the Patricks Parade is ON for now, only to turnabout in 24hrs. The Govt and HSE now ahead of time what that are going to do and what's required but they're not being honest. I have a friend who's out of work 3 weeks now because her partner is still waiting on test results, they had to ring again. The reports say one thing but the reality is different. Even the Spanish nurses blamed the media for not reporting major shortages which put them in danger. \to the point of having to leave elderly patients in their beds to die, it was simply a case of staying without PPE or leaving before you got sick, brought it home to the kids and spread it round.

remember t his is the same HSE who dragged women through the courts before they died. The same HSE that had legal letters saying expect large law suits, deny everything... Yes this is unprecedented I do agree but the HSE have huge form for spoofing.

Good man. Indeed.

IamtheWalrus · 25-03-2020 01:32PM

sirmanga wrote: »

Might be a stupid question/thought, but I wonder how many people who get a positive test result experience a worsening of their symptoms? By that I mean would confirmation of having this big scary virus cause certain people to freak out and "give up" and the stress bring about a worsening of symptoms?
Would not knowing for certain be better for some people in the long run?
I once worked with a guy who found out during a check up that he had cancer, apparently he had it for about a year and he never knew, and he was dead about 2 weeks after he found out. It was like the very idea of having it killed him quicker than the cancer. I'll never forget it.

It might seem that way but it's highly unlikely to be the case. Cancer spreads exponentially.

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 01:32PM

markfinn wrote: »

Turns out Dictatorship and total disregard for human rights have an upside...

Would the price be worth it to establish such a system in Ireland? Tough call.

Since when should strong decisive proactive leadership be confined to a dictatorship?

You can't have it both ways. You either act decisively or you let tens of thousands die from Covid 19...which is it?

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:33PM

1 question on the figures surrounding cases. They mentioned last week that we would see the recovered cases being added to the numbers.

Haven't seen that yet and theres been recovered people doing interviews etc. Would be useful to know where that is at.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:35PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Look across the water.....

Army moves in: Military seize testing machines from private laboratories for urgent coronavirus checks on NHS staff

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What's your point ? We're bringing the private hosptial labs online with an eventual capacity of 15k per day within the next 2 weeks.

Every post you seem to have an issue with and that's mainly having a pop at how the HSE and Gov have handled it.

I'm not engaging in the blame game. If you read my posts. I have an issue when I'm told everything is grand and it is clearly not.

I believe there is a massive problem and telling people it's going to be grand won't suffice. When you have respiratory consultants calling out for PPE. We have a problem.

With every post you seem to minimise / deflect / and distract from the route cause of the problem.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:36PM

adox wrote: »

So with the new WHO guidelines a lot of people waiting for a test will now not be tested and those with similar symptoms in future won’t be tested either.

Firstly that must be worrying for those who have been waiting on a test. They could easily fall through the net.

Secondly, I presume this will hugely shrink te waiting list and see it grow at a very modest rate short term.

As a layman it seems strange to change the criteria seeing as lots of people have been diagnosed with only mild symptoms, no temperature etc.

We won’t really get anything near an accurate idea of the amount of the population infected.

The new approach is aimed at identifying more positives. They only have about 6%, which suggests that a huge number of people currently waiting/booked for tests may not have it either.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:39PM

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

kowloon · 25-03-2020 01:39PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

So you can tell who's has a good sex life basically.

jobeenfitz · 25-03-2020 01:40PM

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:41PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

Says this, then his post ads nothing ,

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:41PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not engaging in the blame game. If you read my posts. I have an issue when I'm told everything is grand and it is clearly not.

I believe there is a massive problem and telling people it's going to be grand won't suffice. When you have respiratory consultants calling out for PPE. We have a problem.

With every post you seem to minimise / deflect / and distract from the route cause of the problem.

Everyone knows PPE is a problem. It's a worldwide problem we aren't the only ones with this issue.

Strumms · 25-03-2020 01:42PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I knew we had a fair proportion of stupid people among us, but the last few weeks have really been an eye opener.

I was thinking the same.. the crisis is bringing out the absolute best in some people but showing so many up as stupid fückwits.

25-03-2020 01:42PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is precisely the problem. And it’s not just for a month or two., it could be a year or two.
That is why the current ‘lockdowns’ across the world are unsustainable in the longer term. At some point things are going to get out of control in a public order and industrial relations sense. Workers in the very labour intensive food industry, for instance, will down tools at some point because they won’t want to be in the ‘firing line’.
There is no prospect that this virus is going to be contained anytime soon and a vaccine is still at least a year away. Does anyone seriously believe that a lockdown can be maintained for that length of time. I don’t!

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

josip · 25-03-2020 01:43PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

There might be a higher concentration of the posts you're looking for in the other corona threads in the forum.

fr336 · 25-03-2020 01:43PM

My mum has had worrying symptoms since yesterday - infrequent cough that she only usually has when taking asthma inhaler, phlegm, minor vomiting to get this up, stomach pain. But importantly she doesn't have a constant cough, her temperature seems fine today, and she's actually improved since yesterday as she is now up and about. Is this one of those viruses that can go from good to bad and back again or would it only get worse? One of her friends has had the same kind of thing for 2 weeks and it wasn't coronavirus so hoping its that?

expectationlost · 25-03-2020 01:44PM

fr336 wrote: »

My mum has had worrying symptoms since yesterday - infrequent cough that she only usually has when taking asthma inhaler, phlegm, minor vomiting to get this up, stomach pain. But importantly she doesn't have a constant cough, her temperature seems fine today, and she's actually improved since yesterday as she is now up and about. Is this one of those viruses that can go from good to bad and back again or would it only get worse? One of her friends has had the same kind of thing for 2 weeks and it wasn't coronavirus so hoping its that?

ring your doctor...

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 01:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The new approach is aimed at identifying more positives. They only have about 6%, which suggests that a huge number of people currently booked for tests may not have it either.

The downside for people who have tested negative is that they are still susceptible to infection with Covid-19.
If the infection is widespread in the community, testing becomes less useful. It would be better to just concentrate resources on those who are actually seriously ill.

Daemonic · 25-03-2020 01:45PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

About May 9th

DOCARCH · 25-03-2020 01:45PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

Not sure Boards is the right place for you. :P

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 01:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

That make sense . So we are looking at a one tier health system for at least the next 18 months

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:47PM

Portugal really blowing up now, 635 new cases this morning
Totalling 3000 now and deaths up to 43 now

expectationlost · 25-03-2020 01:47PM

is there no breakdown between those who thought they had symptoms and got test and those who are contacts with covid or even those with symptons of it... surely that would show how many were worried unnessecarily

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