CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

bekker · 25-03-2020 01:44AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I had mucus / phlegm I couldn't get up, in the end I had pleurisy from the cough, sides sore

What are antivirals? I assume what I was given were antibiotics - Clonamox Augmentin or Amoxicillin etc.,

Me too, got antibiotics for a diagnosed upper tract bacterial infection.

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 01:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

Italy's population is the second oldest in the world. Hemce they will have weaker immune systems. This means that Italy will have higher infection rates, more people with severe symptoms and more deaths.

Raconteuse · 25-03-2020 01:44AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Antibiotics work against bacteria only. Antivirals work against viruses only. However, if one gets a flu from a virus a bacterial infection can sometimes 'piggyback' on your weakened body thus the need for antibiotics as well.

Yeah I nearly always end up on an antibiotic after getting a head cold due to chronic sinus trouble. And often steroids too.

Be right back · 25-03-2020 01:44AM

auspicious wrote: »

-Americans still congregating on beaches or in shopping malls.
-Hospital’s equipment supply diminished, one anesthesiologist wore a plastic bag over his head during a procedure.
-One in 10 Americans have no health insurance, while a widespread lack of sick pay across the country has forced many ill people into work despite the risk of spreading the virus.
-Trump has signaled that he is prepared to wind down restrictions at the end of a 15-day window in an attempt to bolster the economy and a sagging stock market.
-Some hospitals already reaching full ICU capacity.

The future looks dire there. Trump has secured his legacy.

He wants full churches at Easter. Priorities?!

josip · 25-03-2020 01:45AM

MipMap wrote: »

fcking Shamrock

Gets incinerated immediately anyway every year because it's considered a biohazard by the Secret Service.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/white-house-furnace-shock-for-shamrock-114843.html

The Hound Gone Wild · 25-03-2020 01:45AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I had mucus / phlegm I couldn't get up, in the end I had pleurisy from the cough, sides sore

What are antivirals? I assume what I was given were antibiotics - Clonamox Augmentin or Amoxicillin etc.,

Antivirals inhibit a part of Viral replication. The most common ones the general public would be aware of:

Valaciclovir, Tenofovir - used in PrEP, Oseltamivir aka Tamiflu, Acyclovir aka Zovirax

citysights · 25-03-2020 01:46AM

fritzelly wrote: »

What societal changes do people think will happen when this is all over? Cannot imagine everyone suddenly starts wearing face masks like some Asian countries.
Or do we go back to the same old thing?
It's shown lots of people, for example, can easily work from home - is there any need for 10s of thousands of people commuting to work every day
Will hospitals build in to their infrastructure more safeguards against future pandemics (we still don't know if this thing is going to continue to circulate like the flu or mutate)

Any other thoughts? Normally normalcy prevails in this thread at this time of night...

I don’t think we’ll go back to the way we were before. Well need to rethink things, even the fact of the Venice canals being full of fish after so long might make us consider our effects on the planet.Will we even want to travel by air as much? I know I’d be very relecutant now, stuck beside someone on a flight. I think we’ll also have a lot of traumatized people, though time is a great healer. We might have an existentialist crisis and I think it’s already starting for some people. But still we can pull through and hopefully we’ll be nicer to each other when all this ends having been through this surreal yet strangely bonding experience. Of course I could be completely wrong as well but definitely things won’t be back to normal for a long time or we’ll have new normal.

Shn99 · 25-03-2020 01:46AM

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:46AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Italy's population is the second oldest in the world. Hemce they will have weaker immune systems. This means that Italy will have higher infection rates, more people with severe symptoms and more deaths.

The old age of Italy is highly overexaggerated, it is very old but there are dozens and dozens of asian and european countries with a comparably aged demographic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:48AM

Cases in New Zealand double overnight to over 200, state of emergency declared

Australia also reports over 430 new cases overnight

25-03-2020 01:49AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

“Relaxed” in China is still doing more than what western countries seem to do. For example, They scan everyone’s temp before boarding buses or entering shops, they social distance still and have people disinfecting rails on buses after journeys, churches, streets etc. I think there are still regions that quarantine applies to when entering country

Just wondering should we be praising China that much, since its being reported they kept 43,000 positive tests of people that displayed no symptoms out of their official stats?

MipMap · 25-03-2020 01:50AM

josip wrote: »

Gets incinerated immediately anyway every year because it's considered a biohazard by the Secret Service.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/white-house-furnace-shock-for-shamrock-114843.html

You learn something ever day !
Always wondered what happened to it.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 01:50AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

This one?

https://twitter.com/TomCraze/status/1242470081776345088

After watching Trump say he was going to cleanse the US of coronavirus in a matter of days or Claire Byrne broadcasting from a shed etc it's hard to tell how much more absurd this can possibly get.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

11 passengers died on the cruise ship with 15 more still in a serious condition and over 100 hundred cases still active, I think it is astounding that this is still being compared to a flu. And the cruise ship was not full of geriatrics, average age of 58. Also 1/3 of the people on board were workers, presumably exclusively under 65

And yes those reasons you listed will be large contributors to why it has been so devastating so far. But the main reason it is causing a lot of deaths is because it kills elderly and vulnerable people in far larger numbers than flu does

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 01:52AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

No. Did he pock Bonos head?

nocoverart · 25-03-2020 01:53AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This one?

https://twitter.com/TomCraze/status/1242470081776345088

After watching Trump say he was going to cleanse the US of coronavirus in a matter of days or Claire Byrne broadcasting from a shed etc it's hard to tell how much more absurd this can possibly get.

He should of done this with a pack of King Crisps and a wink.

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 01:54AM

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

Antivirals inhibit a part of Viral replication. The most common ones the general public would be aware of:

Valaciclovir, Tenofovir - used in PrEP, Oseltamivir aka Tamiflu, Acyclovir aka Zovirax

I use Zovirax for cold sores

25-03-2020 01:54AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Italy's population is the second oldest in the world. Hemce they will have weaker immune systems. This means that Italy will have higher infection rates, more people with severe symptoms and more deaths.

This isn't aimed at you but I'm going to try and describe what I think is happening.

Every county in Ireland has 100 people who are particularly vulnerable. These are the ICU / deaths.

Week 1: It spreads a bit. Slow because of the incubation period.
Week 2: More people have it. Some people see their parents and give it to them. Small increase in pneumonia etc.
Week 3: A lot more people have it. Still mostly spreading it around the working age population.
..
.. Very few of the 100 extremely vulnerable in each county have been exposed.
..
Week 10: Loads and loads of people have it. People still barely even know about what this thing is. Now, these people see their parents, and unfortunately, there is simply so many people who have it that the extremely vulnerable start getting it from their kids and from each other.

It just makes sense to me right now that that is how it went down. Time will tell.

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 01:55AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This one?

https://twitter.com/TomCraze/status/1242470081776345088

After watching Trump say he was going to cleanse the US of coronavirus in a matter of days or Claire Byrne broadcasting from a shed etc it's hard to tell how much more absurd this can possibly get.

He's cracking

Tea Shock · 25-03-2020 01:56AM

auspicious wrote: »

The future looks dire there. Trump has secured his legacy.

Unfortunately for us, as long as the future looks dire in the US, it does for all of us also

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 01:56AM

wakka12 wrote: »

The old age of Italy is highly overexaggerated, it is very old but there are dozens and dozens of asian and european countries with a similarly aged demographic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age

Well, it's the second oldest population in the world after Japan which isn't an exaggeration. It's a fact. The virus took off in the north of Italy and despite their having an excellent health service, it has decimated the population. A deadly virus + elderly population = lots of deaths.

saabsaab · 25-03-2020 01:56AM

robinph wrote: »

There have been close to 200 instances of the virus entering a country, or state in the case of the US, them going "oh crap", finding another case and then establishing the links between the cases before things get out of hand. Plenty of chance for one of these initial community transmissions to have been picked up from the tracing if the infection was happening in places like supermarkets or where people were not in direct or very close contact with each other.

I'm not going to be licking the handle of the shopping trolley in the supermarket or getting overly close with the checkout staff admittedly, but don't think the risks there are anywhere even on the same scale as the risks from public transport and being in an office with hundreds of others for hours on end each day.

However, telling everyone to keep two meters apart and enforcing that in places like supermarkets is a good way of training people to then do the same when they get on the bus and go to work where they are generally in closer proximity to others anyway.

I was showing how numbers can add up but the Supermarket is a risk.

How many unsanitized items does the checkout operator handle?

Are they wearing and changing gloves?

Do they all use sanitizer after each customer?

Does everyone keep their distance in the shop?

If you pay by cash how many have handled it beforehand or if by pin is that cleaned each time?
Is the store wiping down the trollies?

I know that all of the above are are risk items and care not being taken all the time. Any cases resulting would be nigh impossible to

prove and classed as community transmission.

Tea Shock · 25-03-2020 01:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just wondering should we be praising China that much, since its being reported they kept 43,000 positive tests of people that displayed no symptoms out of their official stats?

Been saying this when people were getting excited about China having no new cases..... Don't believe a word they say. Its bollocks

bekker · 25-03-2020 01:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just wondering should we be praising China that much, since its being reported they kept 43,000 positive tests of people that displayed no symptoms out of their official stats?

Or had a different internal yardstick for statistical categorisation, whether this diffesr from all other countries, I have no idea, nor evidence one way or the other.

Different countries do things differently. It may well be that statistical distortion occurred.

But have a look at the practice at present in the UK and you will see that there are many ways of skewing official statistics.

Could what we have done today also fall into that catagory?

nocoverart · 25-03-2020 01:59AM

Well, least The Fermi Paradox is solved. Viruses + sh1tty leaders = radio silence.

cameramonkey · 25-03-2020 01:59AM

It's not great that we cant get test done faster so that we can identify the people with the virus. This slow testing does have an upside, those that are waiting for results at least 40000 it seems will most likely self isolate and stay out of harms way. Only a small % will be positive but we will see have the benefit of those of the 40000 that are not infected not moving around and being exposed to the virus.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 02:01AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1242573124786413569

Spanish Eyes · 25-03-2020 02:01AM

Trump looks baffled. Big Business can't solve this for him now.

Lord Trollington · 25-03-2020 02:01AM

auspicious wrote: »

-Americans still congregating on beaches or in shopping malls.
-Hospital’s equipment supply diminished, one anesthesiologist wore a plastic bag over his head during a procedure.
-One in 10 Americans have no health insurance, while a widespread lack of sick pay across the country has forced many ill people into work despite the risk of spreading the virus.
-Trump has signaled that he is prepared to wind down restrictions at the end of a 15-day window in an attempt to bolster the economy and a sagging stock market.
-Some hospitals already reaching full ICU capacity.

The future looks dire there. Trump has secured his legacy.

Surely Surely to fcuk that Trump does not have the final say on scientific measures needed to control this virus. Surely some of his back staff can overrule. Surely the chief medical officer or equivalent can put his foot down on the best course of action ?

Surely ?

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 02:01AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, it's the second oldest population in the world after Japan which isn't an exaggeration. It's a fact. The virus took off in the north of Italy and despite their having an excellent health service, it has decimated the population. A deadly virus + elderly population = lots of deaths.

I never said it wasnt old , I said there are many other countries in Europe and Asia with comparable age demographics. The way its phrased, is as if this is just a problem for Italy, its only bad there because they have such an old population, when almost all of Europe has an enormous over 65+ demographic exactly like Italy

CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

Comments

CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP