CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Sweet.Science · 24-03-2020 02:34PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

It's E 305 a week, if you are told to self isolate. Otherwise E 203 a week.

:mad:

I am pretty sure 99% of people laid off would prefer to (still) be at work!

How sustainable is this? 6 week period. Looks like this will last into next year

skellig_rocks · 24-03-2020 02:34PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

He was not locked up... I have looked into the timeline of events as reported in the media.

30 December 2019,.. Dr Li Wenliang saw a patient's report which showed a positive test result with a high confidence level for SARS coronavirus.

At 17:43, he wrote in a private WeChat group of his medical school classmates: "7 confirmed cases of SARS were reported [to hospital] from Huanan Seafood Market."

He also posted the patient's examination report and CT scan image. At 18:42, he added "the latest news is, it has been confirmed that they are coronavirus infections, but the exact virus strain is being subtyped".[2] Li asked the WeChat group members to inform their families and friends to take protective measures.

One of Li's friends posted his message widely on WeChat (Chinese Facebook)

December 31, 2019…Chinese Health officials inform the WHO about a cluster of 41 patients with a mysterious pneumonia. Most are connected to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

January 3, 2020… Police from the Wuhan Public Security Bureau investigated the case and interrogated Li, giving him a warning notice and censuring him for "making false comments on the Internet". Li goes back to work at the hospital.

January 7… Li contracted the coronavirus when he saw an infected patient at his hospital with glaucoma. He was an Ophthalmologist, and examination of the eyes means closeness to the face of the patient. The patient developed a temperature the next day and coronavirus infection was later confirmed.

January 10th Li developed a fever and cough which soon became severe.

January 11, 2020… Chinese authorities shared the full sequence of the coronavirus genome with the world.

On 12 January, Li was admitted to intensive care

February 5… Dr Li dies in ICU having been put on ECMO (Heart lung machine)

Sooo... there was a delay of one day in informing the World Health Organization about the outbreak. The disease was initially treated like a normal spread of disease from animal to human, like a vet getting brucellosis from an animal.

They did not realize that human to human spread was possible and that the virus was so infectious in December, until after a lot of medical staff had been infected, some of whom paid with their lives.

I imagine that if a doctor in the west posted a patient's examination report and CT scan on Facebook, there would be consequences here too.

So much for Trump's lies about delay and cover up.

More events happened in January:

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

- The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
- Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.

Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

- The first case announced in South Korea.
- Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.

China notified US and WHO about the virus. But China keep telling its citizens there was no evidence of human-to-human transmissions, until 20 January. And there were around 5 millions people left Wuhan for the Chinese new year. Most people left for Chinese new year already left Wuhan on 23 January, day of Wuhan lockdown announcement.

This is the report from WHO on 12 January:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

Third parahraph:

"The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan. The market was closed on 1 January 2020. At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission. The Chinese authorities continue their work of intensive surveillance and follow up measures, as well as further epidemiological investigations."

jam83 · 24-03-2020 02:34PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

WTF does that have to do with anything?

You want them to do it for free? I'm sure some of them would like - but we can pay them, so let's.

Of course they should be paid. But you asked another poster what they were doing to help out in this crisis, as if doctors are helping out voluntarily, when it's their profession and they're paid to do it. What are you doing to help out?

matthewmurdock · 24-03-2020 02:35PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

It's E 305 a week, if you are told to self isolate. Otherwise E 203 a week.

:mad:

I am pretty sure 99% of people laid off would prefer to (still) be at work!

They increased it from 203 today.

Again, not fair to supermarket workers who will be expected to show up every day and deal with all kinds of ****e, and take home minimum wage for their weeks work, barely putting them ahead of people who did nothing. Even if the people doing nothing wished they were working, it's simply wrong.

EDit · 24-03-2020 02:35PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

This is from RTE News TODAY and not some outdated information from two weeks ago.

“Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact.”

Why are people who need to get out to have a walk made feel like criminals?
I was on Dollymount beach on Sunday and every group, mostly families, kept to themselves and well away from others. Everybody I saw was being very responsible.

I really wish RTÉ would stop including this information in so many of there articles. It’s a metric used for contact tracing, not a definitive cut-off time for getting vs not getting infected. I also think too many people are taking it literally (ie, if I speak with this person for only 5 minutes I can’t get Infected)

storker · 24-03-2020 02:35PM

Xertz wrote: »

We should probably just ask the virus.

I'm sure if the minister just gets Commander Data to setup the universal translator, he could ask it what its intentions are and when it plans to leave us alone.

A Vulcan mind-meld might be better.

strawdog · 24-03-2020 02:36PM

matthewmurdock wrote: »

Fair play to the government for the €350 for laid off workers.

However, there are people working in supermarkets who will barely clear that in a week, working their bolloxes off, dealing with people who could have the virus. And the student nurses who are getting nothing. Doesn't seem fair to the people that are still out there working hard (not saying that the people at home wouldn't be working hard if they could).

In fairness I think this one should be on the supermarkets themselves to compensate them for the extra effort and risk as they are one of the few sectors making money hand over fist through all this

Tacitus Kilgore · 24-03-2020 02:37PM

jam83 wrote: »

Of course they should be paid. But you asked another poster what they were doing to help out in this crisis, as if doctors are helping out voluntarily, when it's their profession and they're paid to do it. What are you doing to help out?

The other poster is berating doctors who are trying to come here to help.

I asked him what's he doing since they're such arseholes coming back to give a hand.

You piped up about them being paid for being doctors - shock feckin' horror!

I asked you wtf are you on about, and you've asked me what I'm doing -

I'm doing fuck all, the exact thing I'm supposed to be doing, working from home and only leaving the house when I need shopping. If I was a doctor, I'd like to think I'd be doctoring. What are you up to? Have anything nice for lunch? xx

Steve F · 24-03-2020 02:39PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

A lot of companies don't have employees admin access to their work computers to download software...

Ah yes forgetting that

Doesn't apply to all tho
I'd say a vast majority could easily set up Teamviewer or Splashtop but are just aren't as clued up:)

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-03-2020 02:39PM

mac.in wrote: »

A new virus stepping in. It's reported in china. It's said to be more dangerous than Coronaviurs.

Link here

FFS!! You didn't even read the article! Its spread by rodents or coming into contact with rodent faeces, it cannot be spread from person to person.

There are probably thousands of viruses more dangerous than C-19, don't be so bloody sensationalist!

mac.in · 24-03-2020 02:40PM

Keyzer wrote: »

Also, you get it if you have sex with Hanta Claus...

More utter nonsense...

Thanks for your opinion, but pity for your desperation

Tea Shock · 24-03-2020 02:41PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

FFS!! You didn't even read the article! Its spread by rodents or coming into contact with rodent faeces, it cannot be spread from person to person.

There are probably thousands of viruses more dangerous than C-19, don't be so bloody sensationalist!

Plus it's not "new". It's existed since at least the 1990's!

mac.in · 24-03-2020 02:43PM

Trending word in Oxford dictionary is 'Hanta Virus'. May be it's creating a panic at this moment. Apologies if it's brought wrongly into this discussion.

An Ciarraioch · 24-03-2020 02:45PM

UK government just announced that 5,600 tests were conducted there yesterday, so our circa 2,000 daily tests that were supposed to scale up to 4,500 from Monday don't seem that bad by comparison.

cloudatlas · 24-03-2020 02:46PM

LillySV wrote: »

Can’t believe there’s pricks here begrudging health professionals who are willing to come home and help us!! How retarded are some people on this Island?
A major reason why loads of them abroad is cause there were no jobs for them here... particularly nurses where moratorium stopped them from working here

1) They are essentially choosing who to treat largely based on nationality.

2) The population of Perth is a quarter of Ireland

3) An Irish doctor in Perth wrote to the Irish Times stating that 60% of staff on his shift were Irish and that he thought that what they were doing by leaving was 'unconscionable'. (His words, he works there).

Cases in NSW have passed 800 and are growing.

If Irish doctors in Spain decided to come back ye would be wtf. Australia are a matter of weeks from the same crisis in Europe.

I don't agree that it's a sound ethical choice. I wouldn't rehire them if they abandoned my workplace during a crisis. A lot of the arguments for them coming here are based on a misplaced and disturbing nationalism that seems to forget our global shared humanity.

weldoninhio · 24-03-2020 02:47PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Or maybe they feel the burden of duty to their home country. The country where their families live, friends live and which is their home. It is quite an emotive thing.

I imagine these people have strong value systems.

Lets hope all of the foreign workers in the Irish health system don't get emotive or we're fcuked.

kowloon · 24-03-2020 02:47PM

Xertz wrote: »

Fit and able bodied and subject to self isolation here due to a pending test and mild symptoms.

Thanks Tesco! I know you're under pressure but, what exactly can I do?

I probably have enough beans and pulses and stuff for a few days.

If you're stuck someone should be able to get you some groceries and leave them outside your door. Where are you based?

spookwoman · 24-03-2020 02:47PM

https://twitter.com/WaterfordCounci/status/1242426963693842434?s=20

Ce he sin · 24-03-2020 02:47PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree.

Lets deal with the facts.

And the best source of those facts in the cruise ship.

Patient zero was on board for approx 5 days and was displaying symptoms (coughing) without knowing what it was.

The cruise ship had over 3,700 on board.

19% of the passangers contracted the virus, despite sharing the same pools, sauna, restaurants, onboard entertainment centres, lifts along with buses to and from attractions, as patient zero.

On top of this, the cruise has an air conditioning system which circulates air throughout the ship.

At the rate of infection this virus carries it's fair to say at least 80% of the ship would have been exposed to the virus either through the air or on surfaces (lift buttons, ladles and cutlery in the buffets, hand railings etc.) It is said that the virus lasted on such surfaces on the ship for 17 days.

There were 8 deaths (0.21%) despite the fact that the average age was 62 and everyone was in a very confined space.

This....

That would be 19% of the total on board, not just the passengers. I'd guess that if you factor in the crew the average age of all on board would be less than 62. Bear in mind that a quarantine was imposed in the ship, without which the rate of infection would have been higher. It's too simplistic to treat the ship as a lab to study how the virus spreads.

frillyleaf · 24-03-2020 02:48PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Don't talk to me about it :rolleyes: I tried to get them to come home but they said they felt safer there. They are in a quiet enough place and have their own small house so they can "bunker down". My Dad is at risk (has diabetes and had 2 surgeries last year) and is 73. They didn't want to take the risk on a flight which would have been packed and run the risk of picking it up. I tried to tell them it was a measured risk and that even if they got it, at least they would be treated here as our system is not saturated or full to the brim yet but they wouldn't listen.

Oh dear that’s a pity they wouldn’t come home

wadacrack · 24-03-2020 02:49PM

Bergamo has a population of only 120,000

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1242461575077859330

SlowBlowin · 24-03-2020 02:50PM

Steve F wrote: »

Ah yes forgetting that

Doesn't apply to all tho
I'd say a vast majority could easily set up Teamviewer or Splashtop but are just aren't as clued up:)

I dont think you are reading the replies to your original post.

Keyzer · 24-03-2020 02:50PM

jam83 wrote: »

He cancelled his wedding because all weddings are affected by this. Don't make out he cancelled it to run into a hospital to save lives.

Do you know when he cancelled his wedding? You obviously know him do you?

Knob...

frillyleaf · 24-03-2020 02:51PM

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

O Leary has said their planes are been made available for all EU countries , repatriation, medical supplies, food deliveries anything that's needed.

Spain is getting rough, apparently nursing homes are been abandoned with patient left there, which the Spanish army are checking all nursing homes now.

From reading here, people are starting to panic, there's no need to panic the HSE and experts in Ireland have been level headed and measured.

What will be, will be.

Relax.

It sounds like there could not be enough PPE to look after the patients safely as opposed to them being completely abandoned by the staff

. Must be extremely difficult for both staff and residents. I would imagine there need to be people fully litter out if people show symptoms. So sad

kowloon · 24-03-2020 02:51PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lets hope all of the foreign workers in the Irish health system don't get emotive or we're fcuked.

Were you not one of the people preaching overreaction in one of the previous threads and boasting about going to the pub?

fin12 · 24-03-2020 02:53PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146473/Irish-man-28-caught-coronavirus-London-nearly-died.html

TheDenialTwist · 24-03-2020 02:54PM

Xertz wrote: »

The range doesn't sell Ikea stuff. It's a bit more like Woodies, only less focused on DIY and more on home decor and random 'stuff' - cups, plates, fabric, art and hobby, lighting. They're NOT an essential store by a long shot.

The Range here is indeed part of the UK Chain of stores. Poster was pointing out that The Range bought in freezers in an attempt to deem themselves as "essential". The Range in UK doesn't sell "Ikea type stuff" either.

Dwarf.Shortage · 24-03-2020 02:55PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Bergamo has a population of only 120,000

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1242461575077859330

If that's all true you're talking about 1 in 8 30 year olds in Bergamo are currently in hospital with pneumonia. It seems too bad to be true (I hope).

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-03-2020 02:55PM

mac.in wrote: »

Trending word in Oxford dictionary is 'Hanta Virus'. May be it's creating a panic at this moment. Apologies if it's brought wrongly into this discussion.

And yet your still blabbing on about it. Its a disease, its has nothing to do with C19 and isn't transmittable through humans. Move on and forget about.

bekker · 24-03-2020 02:56PM

IT reported this morning that HSE confirmed to them that we only have the current capacity to process 33% of 4,500 daily tests. Apparently all the extra hospital base labs that were announced are tied up processing internal testing.

This is extremely serious, as it also reported that some of the tests may be too degraded to process.

We now appear to be in the situation of a 40,000 test backlog, and when 4,500 daily tests achieved a 3,000 daily processing backlog being added to the existing backlog of tests awaiting processing.

Though some of us here have long suspected the development of this scenario, it's still frightening to have it confirmed.

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