CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. Maybe Trump is right, fck it, let the cookie crumble and sweep up the crumbs

Easy to say when it isn't you looking at a video screen (not even allowed in to visit) of your mother fighting for breath in an ICU.

Or watching a doctor, through glass, take your father off a ventilator because he's had to make the difficult choice about who is more likely to survive when rationing equipment.

Old and vulnerable are not mere crumbs...

CDC report on cruise ship
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w

SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020). Although these data cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces, further study of fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 aboard cruise ships is warranted.

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The BBC are also being a tad misleading there too.

A lot of the dead in their beds are only allowed to be collected by specially equipped funeral home teams if the deceased have or suspected to have Covid 19.

In Madrid at least, said special funeral teams are now refusing to collect dead bodies as they no longer can source the proper protective gear.

I'm sure there are lots of staff fleeing the care homes in panic but also can't blame them. Most of these places rarely had/give staff proper protection in normal times and from my own personal experience I'd be willing to bet they would be expected to work with a suspected covid case with minimal to no protection.

That's before you get to any lazy and uncaring workers that somehow manage to keep these jobs.

"The army, during certain visits, found some older people completely abandoned, sometimes even dead in their beds," she said.

The defence ministry said that staff at some care homes had left after the coronavirus was detected.

At least call somewhere eg their equivalent of the hse to say there are people there

Any chance this virus could do a Kaiser Sose and just fcuck off.

https://youtu.be/IkJqKOb0ZhY

Strumms wrote: »

Come on, don’t be hating on people for wanting to look well for the coming of the apocalypse ! :eek:


Probably just can’t sit still, have to be doing something, going somewhere, they are a bit freaked out, want some normality like a haircut, yap to the barber and everything that goes with it...

Some people have no concept of having their movements and life options severely restricted, often large numbers of people just don’t know how to react in a crisis, just freaks them the fûck out... we are seeing this in the behavior at supermarkets and elsewhere.

I remember being a few days from starting chemo for a BMT - there was no room in the usual isolation ward and they put me in the open chemo wards, I was doing great healthwise at the time but was told to make a will etc, and I sloped off on the Luas the next day to buy lockets for my children. Started blubbing in the jewellers in The Square, Tallaght - so yeah, people do anything to try and get a bit of control for a little while, even if it's illogical to everyone else. I am being VERY good now though, this is scarier than that was.

fritzelly wrote: »

Are you missing the point of my post?
The WHO are well versed in containing Ebola (every press conference - in Africa we are stopping the spread of Ebola...") but not in something like this - they are basing their advice on a different disease.
Why are all these countries locking down if not to stop the spread of the disease?
Contact tracing only works to a degree - you can never find all contacts so there will always be vectors that are potentially spreading the virus
Remember it was the WHO saying do not stop flights, do not stop trading with China along with many other ridiculous suggestions. Took weeks to declare a pandemic saying there is no widespread community transmission meanwhile it was spreading all over the world.

When this is all done and hopefully over there will be serious questions asked about the credibility of the WHO beyond treating localised outbreaks in Africa. They get millions in funding every year and royally f*cked up on this as their first real challenge on a global virus. If this virus was any more serious we would all be dead in the next year if we listened to them.

/rant over

I really don’t know what to think at this stage. I was thinking weeks ago, why are countries meeting with WHO now do come up with best practice. Protocols for different types of virus should have already been discussed and agreed.

But also, no matter what WHO say, different countries do what they want. Take U.K., completely went against what WHO advised at the start.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. Maybe Trump is right, fck it, let the cookie crumble and sweep up the crumbs

People who die in road crashes are not as contagious.

Coyote wrote: »

when do we make a change
it takes 14 day for any change to take affect
this is the next 3 weeks, assuming the numbers of new cases drop we still run out of ICU in 14 days, we need new cases to be at 0 in 14 days

15% require hospitalization and 5% need ICU - what figures are you basing that on?

spookwoman wrote: »

"The army, during certain visits, found some older people completely abandoned, sometimes even dead in their beds," she said.

The defence ministry said that staff at some care homes had left after the coronavirus was detected.

At least call somewhere eg their equivalent of the hse to say there are people there

Unfortunately, they would mostly be untreated anyway - perhaps being left in familiar surroundings was less stressful. We are in unusual times.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/69089f-an-analysis-of-the-712-cases-of-covid-19-in-ireland-as-at-friday-20-/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

of the 712 cases notified, 55% are male and 44% are female, with 35 clusters involving 190 cases
the median age of confirmed cases is 44 years
211 cases (30%) have been hospitalised
of those hospitalised, 17 cases have been admitted to ICU

the 15% and 5% ICU vary from country to country, but are a fair number, Italy the numbers are higher but the testing is lower

joeguevara wrote: »

Looks like we are at 25 in ICU. Amazing that the ages of positive cases are relatively low.

a lot of the cases in ireland would have been related to travel at the start
more young people (under 50) going to places like Italy to ski that will change with local transmission
both Italy and Spain are at 10% death rate, they would love to have only 5% ICU

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »

So where are we compared to Italy then?

We are two weeks behind with them having 12.6 times our population?

population does not matter it's the R0 rate that matters
you can see from the numbers that have been released by HSE that the current growth level is 25%.
the pain point is when we can't treat people anymore and thats only two week away at current growth
as a side note
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age



20-44
the CDC covers a huge 20-44 age range in its data, but here’s what we know about that entire group: 14.3 percent hospitalized, 2 percent in the ICU, and 0.1 percent fatality rate.

45-54
For people 45 to 54, the CDC reports 21.2 percent have been hospitalized, 5.4 percent were put in the ICU, and 0.5 percent have died. For people 55 to 64, 20.5 percent have been hospitalized, 4.7 percent ended up in the ICU, and 1.4 percent died. For the oldest folks in this group, ages 65 to 74, hospitalizations (28.6 percent), ICU stays (8.1 percent) and deaths (2.7 percent) continue to trend upward.

70+
In Spain, out of 6,152 cases from this group, 3,388 people have been hospitalized, a 55 percent hospitalization rate; 199 went to the ICU, a 3.2 percent rate; and 705 people ages 70 and older have died, a 11.4 percent fatality rate.
Italy, China, and South Korea have reported fatality rates from 6.2 percent up to 20.2 percent for people in this age range.
I’ll use the 75-and-older numbers from the CDC: For ages 75 to 84, hospitalizations (30.5 percent), ICU stays (10.5 percent), and deaths (4.3 percent) are already high, and the key metrics go up even higher for people 85 and older; 31.3 percent hospitalized, 6.3 percent in the ICU, 10.4 percent fatality rate.