Why do teachers earn more than nurses?

yabadabado · 23-03-2020 06:06PM

loyatemu wrote: »

you just failed maths.

Secondary teachers work 34 weeks per year.Its slightly less but I've rounded up.

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 06:06PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Any links to back this opinion up?

**** off. Why the hell have the HSE had to go to jobs fairs across Asia and Australia to recruit and spend money on campaigns to "come home" and work. Try Google you churlish *****.

I've a sister in law and a handful of friends and cousins in nursing, they are all working exactly where they want to in Ireland, they are having their post grads paid for, they are getting into specialist nursing jobs (cardiac, cancer) far earlier in their careers than would be expected years ago. They are resiging to work in the Middle East and come back with the deposits for houses and then getting permanent jobs back in Ireland as soon as they choose to come back.

Ask me **** for links.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-03-2020 06:06PM

Rufeo wrote: »

*gets popcorn.

Will you share?

sydthebeat · 23-03-2020 06:08PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Teachers take responsibility for 30 odd kids for 5-7 hours a day, in loco parentis, with all the concerns of insurance and child protection and supervising a couple of SNAs on top.

I don't diminish nurses by that statement in any sense, they are an amazing profession and they should earn much more, but teachers don't deserve to earn less.

In fact, if this crisis shows us anything over the next 6 months, it'll be the value of teachers.

Hang on, why are teachers "supervising" SNAs?

They are a separate profession altogether, and teachers are not qualified SNAs

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-03-2020 06:08PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

If anything it’ll be the opposite, lot of parents working from home and teaching their kids at the same time

Your inability or unwilingess to resport to answers leads me to believe you;re a troll, but I'll answer seriously:

In some cases, yes - but only if the family can survive on one salary and/or the parent in question has enough knowledge and time to home school. But not a chance of it happening post primary.

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 06:08PM

"JustAThought wrote: »

Many children in schools today simply should not be there and are just being facilitated at cost to
the rest of their classes learning while their patents don’t pay for the special needs services/childminding their children clearly need.

Well thats mainly thanks to that *****hawk Kathy Sinnott and the damage she inflicted on both the kids with special needs and the mainstream pupils by forcing them to be lumped in together. Her do-gooder ways have had lasting impacts.

Tom Mann Centuria · 23-03-2020 06:09PM

Let's be honest, in another 6 months or whatever, nurses will go back to being accused of being overpaid, like the rest of the public service, and back to being the enemy.

Probably a third of the comments in the threads around our industrial action over a year ago will always remind me of that.

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 06:11PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Your inability or unwilingess to resport to answers leads me to believe you;re a troll, but I'll answer seriously:

In some cases, yes - but only if the family can survive on one salary and/or the parent in question has enough knowledge and time to home school. But not a chance of it happening post primary.

I did my regular work from home along side juggling the 3 kids, wasn’t easy and have had hiccups but with planning & preparation it’s manageable

Turbohymac · 23-03-2020 06:11PM

Is this just another teacher bashing thread.. yes some nurses should probably get double the amount of pay for the amount of effort they put into their chosen career.. but there are also some that shouldn't be allowed in the job lack of interest and taking as much time off as possible etc..like any other profession..
HOWEVER.. can anyone with more direct knowledge of the healthcare system enlightened me on where all the hundreds of thousands that were regularly on trollies at a and e departments have suddenly disappeared to..were these large daily numbers a myth or have the HSE deported everyone found on trollies overnight..???

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 06:14PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Hang on, why are teachers "supervising" SNAs?

They are a separate profession altogether, and teachers are not qualified SNAs

Profession?

My mother in law retired from the bank and went as an SNA for something to put in her mornings.

I know there are efforts by Unions and the like to "professionalise" SNA jobs by adding qualifications and CPD, but lets not be fooled into dressing playing Marla and changing little Johnny's pissy pants up as something it isn't.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-03-2020 06:16PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

I did my regular work from home along side juggling the 3 kids, wasn’t easy and have had hiccups but with planning & preparation it’s manageable

If the average class size in Ireland was three kids; or if every parent in the country worked from home, you'd have a point.

Also - did you teach them up to Leaving Cert level?

23-03-2020 06:17PM

I think any thread deliberately started to provoke a response or degrade any profession should be taken down by mods. This thread serves no purpose but to cause arguments.

Yes nurses are underpaid. But that does not mean teachers or any other professions for that matter are over paid. Times of crisis seem to bring out the worst in people sitting around on their ar&#es with nothing better to do than cause provocation for their own amusement.

Grow up and stop trolling.

Strumms · 23-03-2020 06:21PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Let's be honest, in another 6 months or whatever, nurses will go back to being accused of being overpaid, like the rest of the public service, and back to being the enemy.

Probably at least a third (conservatively) of the comments in the threads around our industrial action over a year ago will always remind me of that.

They are only accused of being overpaid by armchair no nothings. Anybody who spends any time in hospital sees first hand how hard nurses work. How broad their talents are, a big skillset and personality is required as well as a heavy work ethic.

JustAThought · 23-03-2020 06:21PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Well thats mainly thanks to that *****hawk Kathy Sinnott and the damage she inflicted on both the kids with special needs and the mainstream pupils by forcing them to be lumped in together. Her do-gooder ways have had lasting impacts.

somebody needs to take a childrens rights case against children who are not mentally functioning at their age being allowed to sit in classes with normal children and systematically wreck their education. Its a game of lottery - between the numbers per class of children with zero english language capabilities and children with significant behavior and mental illness problems so extreme being accepted into schools and allowed in mainstream classrooms and contributing nothing but constant stress and distraction to the teacher a source of endless problems and disruption to other childrens teaching and wellbeing.

You wouldnt expect an office to function with no firedoors are they are locked tight from inside against someone mentally ill in the class running off, or to sit in an office with someone yowling and making animal noises all day, or screaming and banging their head against a desk or jumping up and down and going between desks and hitting others - why are the unions allowing it in classrooms?

This along with non diagnosed children being also let in the classrooms with little ability to learn or concept of how to behave - again - its in specialist schools/ daycenters they should be in and not ruining healthy childrens education and opportunities and breaking trachers mental helth and stress levels and destroying the environment for others to learn in and their teachers ability to focus on the group and teach.

THAT is what the trained nurses should be doing in specialised daycare units.

cal naughton · 23-03-2020 06:30PM

I think that our Teachers should follow the great example of Teachers in the UK and return to work to teach the children of what the UK government have called " Key Workers" . It would be a great show of solidarity with colleagues across the Public Sector.

23-03-2020 06:31PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

A registered staff nurse or midwife starts at €29,346 after registration. The industry standard for shift work involving nights is 30%, which teachers do not do.
So let's adjust the €29,346÷1.3 to give a salary less shift allowance.
That's €22,574. Nurses work 12-hour shifts, three days a week (correct me if I'm wrong) and work 48 weeks a year.
That's 1728 hours of work per year which works out at €13.06 per hour per hour worked

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/

Teachers start on significantly more. Newly qualified teachers start on €36,953 per anum. They don't work shifts so no need to adjust salary for this. Their compulsory work starts at 9:00 and finishes at 16:00. This is a 7 hour day. Supervision of extra-curricular activities and after-school study is not obligatory. They have a week off at Hallowe'en, two weeks at Christmas, a week in February, two weeks at Easter and 11 in summer. Thus, they only work 41 weeks per year or 1435 hours per year. This equates to an equivalent hourly rate of €25.75 per hour worked.

https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

Teachers are raking in double the hourly rate and their sleep patterns are not disturbed, they're not abused by drunks or druggies, they're not dealing with death or distressing situations.

I'm neither a teacher nor a nurse before anyone accuses me of having an agenda and I earn a package far in excess of the aforementioned salaries.

Let's give our nurses a round of applause.

If you’re going down that road then barely anyone should earn more than nurses, but why let that get in the way of a good thinly veiled teacher bash?

23-03-2020 06:32PM

cal naughton wrote: »

I think that our Teachers should follow the great example of Teachers in the UK and return to work to teach the children of what the UK government have called " Key Workers" . It would be a great show of solidarity with colleagues across the Public Sector.

We shouldn’t do anything the UK are doing. They’re led by an imbecile.

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 06:33PM

cal naughton wrote: »

I think that our Teachers should follow the great example of Teachers in the UK and return to work to teach the children of what the UK government have called " Key Workers" . It would be a great show of solidarity with colleagues across the Public Sector.

Quite right. Private sector creches want to do the same, subject to rigourous protection measures and testing.

Sorry about that · 23-03-2020 06:33PM

I'm a nurse, and in my opinion, this thread is a wind-up, so best ignored.

Rodney Bathgate · 23-03-2020 06:35PM

Teachers have better unions, teachers have shown they are willing to blackmail the country and they have shown they are more than happy to throw future teachers under the bus to keep their terms and conditions.

Sephiroth_dude · 23-03-2020 06:37PM

Mod

This won't end well, closed.

Why do teachers earn more than nurses?

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