Why do teachers earn more than nurses?

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev · 23-03-2020 05:44PM #1

A registered staff nurse or midwife starts at €29,346 after registration. The industry standard for shift work involving nights is 30%, which teachers do not do.
So let's adjust the €29,346÷1.3 to give a salary less shift allowance.
That's €22,574. Nurses work 12-hour shifts, three days a week (correct me if I'm wrong) and work 48 weeks a year.
That's 1728 hours of work per year which works out at €13.06 per hour per hour worked

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/

Teachers start on significantly more. Newly qualified teachers start on €36,953 per anum. They don't work shifts so no need to adjust salary for this. Their compulsory work starts at 9:00 and finishes at 16:00. This is a 7 hour day. Supervision of extra-curricular activities and after-school study is not obligatory. They have a week off at Hallowe'en, two weeks at Christmas, a week in February, two weeks at Easter and 11 in summer. Thus, they only work 41 weeks per year or 1435 hours per year. This equates to an equivalent hourly rate of €25.75 per hour worked.

https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

Teachers are raking in double the hourly rate and their sleep patterns are not disturbed, they're not abused by drunks or druggies, they're not dealing with death or distressing situations.

I'm neither a teacher nor a nurse before anyone accuses me of having an agenda and I earn a package far in excess of the aforementioned salaries.

Let's give our nurses a round of applause.

Rufeo · 23-03-2020 05:46PM

*gets popcorn.

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 05:49PM

I don’t see why you are comparing salaries from 2 completely unrelated fields other than to have a pop at teachers.

Why not just start a thread with “Nurses are underpaid”?

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 05:50PM

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

I don’t see why you are comparing salaries from 2 completely unrelated fields other than to have a pop at teachers.

Why not just start a thread with “Nurses are underpaid”?

Cause teachers are over paid, self entitled and tbh very whiny

All that fandango · 23-03-2020 05:50PM

What do newly qualified teachers make when you factor in the fact that they must sub for years before they even get a sniff of a full time permanent job?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-03-2020 05:51PM

Why do teachers earn less than professional sports players?

mickdw · 23-03-2020 05:51PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

A registered staff nurse or midwife starts at €29,346 after registration. The industry standard for shift work involving nights is 30%, which teachers do not do.
So let's adjust the €29,346÷1.3 to give a salary less shift allowance.
That's €22,574. Nurses work 12-hour shifts, three days a week (correct me if I'm wrong) and work 48 weeks a year.
That's 1728 hours of work per year which works out at €13.06 per hour per hour worked

Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/

Teachers start on significantly more. Newly qualified teachers start on €36,953 per anum. They don't work shifts so no need to adjust salary for this. Their compulsory work starts at 9:00 and finishes at 16:00. This is a 7 hour day. Supervision of extra-curricular activities and after-school study is not obligatory. They have a week off at Hallowe'en, two weeks at Christmas, a week in February, two weeks at Easter and 11 in summer. Thus, they only work 41 weeks per year or 1435 hours per year. This equates to an equivalent hourly rate of €25.75 per hour worked.

https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

Teachers are raking in double the hourly rate and their sleep patterns are not disturbed, they're not abused by drunks or druggies, they're not dealing with death or distressing situations.

I'm neither a teacher nor a nurse before anyone accuses me of having an agenda and I earn a package far in excess of the aforementioned salaries.

Let's give our nurses a round of applause.

If we are on this topic, why are you paid significantly more than a nurse?
Do you put you health at risk dealing with deadly virus, do you deal with sixk and dying or distressing situations?

Moody_mona · 23-03-2020 05:52PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

I earn a package far in excess of the aforementioned salaries.

What's your hourly pay? Since we're comparing.

JustAThought · 23-03-2020 05:52PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Why do teachers earn less than professional sports players?

combat is only psychological since capital punishment banned.

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 05:52PM

All that fandango wrote: »

What do newly qualified teachers make when you factor in the fact that they must sub for years before they even get a sniff of a full time permanent job?

Teachers are the only profession that expects a fully time permanent jobs straight out of collage. Recruitment freeze in the health service the last few years

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 05:53PM

Teachers take responsibility for 30 odd kids for 5-7 hours a day, in loco parentis, with all the concerns of insurance and child protection and supervising a couple of SNAs on top.

I don't diminish nurses by that statement in any sense, they are an amazing profession and they should earn much more, but teachers don't deserve to earn less.

In fact, if this crisis shows us anything over the next 6 months, it'll be the value of teachers.

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 05:55PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

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In fact, if this crisis shows us anything over the next 6 months, it'll be the value of teachers.

In what way?

And yes teachers earn far more than the Europeans norm and far more than they’re worth

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-03-2020 05:56PM

JustAThought wrote: »

combat is only psychological since capital punishment banned.

I don't believe I mentioned the army?

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 05:56PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Teachers are the only profession that expects a fully time permanent jobs straight out of collage. Recruitment freeze in the health service the last few years

Are you on a wind up? Any qualified nurse wanting a full time job in Ireland post-grad, in the last 5 years could have taken their pick of locations to work. Same goes for hospital doctors.

I can think also of 20 different professions in the private sector that expect, and indeed can expect, to walk into permanent jobs on graduation.

Salary Negotiator · 23-03-2020 05:56PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

Cause teachers are over paid, self entitled and tbh very whiny

There’s more whining done about teachers than by teachers.

con___manx1 · 23-03-2020 05:57PM

Nurses should be paid more in my opinion but most teachers do a serious amount of work outside of school.
They also have alot of stress dealing with idiotic parents that think their child's **** doest smell.they Also have overcrowded class rooms in alot of cases.

23-03-2020 05:58PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

Let's give our nurses a round of applause.

With you on that.

Tom Mann Centuria · 23-03-2020 05:58PM

What a teacher earns does not affect me, in the same way, what I earn doesn't affect someone grafting in a shop.

Oldest trick in the book is turning workers against each other with envy.

As is regularly stated in these threads, nothing to stop people training to be a teacher, nothing to stop people organising and joining a union and seeking better terms for themselves and colleagues.

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 05:59PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

In what way?

And yes teachers earn far more than the Europeans norm and far more than they’re worth

Providing a structured, varied and holistic education for all the children of the state. Parents are already having breakdowns trying to do the same for their own handful of kids after just a week.

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 05:59PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Are you on a wind up? Any qualified nurse wanting a full time job in Ireland post-grad, in the last 5 years could have taken their pick of locations to work. Same goes for hospital doctors.
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Any links to back this opinion up?

TheBoyConor · 23-03-2020 06:00PM

If you have such a chip on your shoulder over it and think it's such a gravy traiin then why don't you quit your current occupation and go train to be a primary teacher. Come back to us in 5 years time and tell us all about how much of a handy life you have of it and how you need even more holidays in order to be able to spend your massive salary.

Your whole post smacks of begrudgery and "i couldn't get into Mary I because I did a crap leaving cert so I'll just have a crack off the teachers instead"

Larbre34 · 23-03-2020 06:00PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Oldest trick in the book is turning workers against each other with envy.

Absolutely. Straight out of the Trump Farage play book. Seeking to drive down standards and fair remuneration by division and suspicion.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-03-2020 06:00PM

Whereisgalway wrote: »

In what way?

And yes teachers earn far more than the Europeans norm and far more than they’re worth

You think we invest too much in the welfare of future generations...?

loyatemu · 23-03-2020 06:01PM

Zagreb Ebnem Zloty Diev wrote: »

They have a week off at Hallowe'en, two weeks at Christmas, a week in February, two weeks at Easter and 11 in summer. Thus, they only work 41 weeks per year

you just failed maths.

Tom Mann Centuria · 23-03-2020 06:01PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Are you on a wind up? Any qualified nurse wanting a full time job in Ireland post-grad, in the last 5 years could have taken their pick of locations to work. Same goes for hospital doctors.

Apart from frequent recruitment bans for nurses. The most recent was only lifted last month.

Whereisgalway · 23-03-2020 06:01PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

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In fact, if this crisis shows us anything over the next 6 months, it'll be the value of teachers.

If anything it’ll be the opposite, lot of parents working from home and teaching their kids at the same time

yabadabado · 23-03-2020 06:02PM

All that fandango wrote: »

What do newly qualified teachers make when you factor in the fact that they must sub for years before they even get a sniff of a full time permanent job?

Must sub for years ?

Not always the case and if you sub in the same school for 2 years continuously there will be a CID applied for on your behalf.

All that fandango · 23-03-2020 06:02PM

Whereisgalway wrote:

Teachers are the only profession that expects a fully time permanent jobs straight out of collage. Recruitment freeze in the health service the last few years

Yeah, thats what the government would like you to think. The reality is very different though.

joe40 · 23-03-2020 06:02PM

Nurses should earn more, definitely.
But that isn't what your question is about it is just a bit of teacher bashing.
Maybe we should become like our nearest neighbour where the have to offer grants of up to 15,000 to 20,000 pounds to encourage graduates to train as teachers because the job is so unattractive.
This is a difficult time for everyone, why start Petty rows online.
Ultimately people make career choices, with the points required for nursing nowadays teaching would also have been an option for every student nurse.

TheBoyConor · 23-03-2020 06:03PM

At the end of the day, like all public sector professions, it comes down to one profession being paid more or less than another because of the fortunes of the economy and the unions level of negotiating skill and motivation or lack if it at the time the pay agreements were made.

JustAThought · 23-03-2020 06:04PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Providing a structured, varied and holistic education for all the children of the state. Parents are already having breakdowns trying to do the same for their own handful of kids after just a week.

Moreso providing paid but unqualified in most cases special needs babysitting service for highly challenging mentally challenged and developmentally delayed children who are not capable of normal learning or keeping up in any with their 28+ classmates while their parents blithely shrug off their responsibilities and go to their 9-5 jobs, leaving the teachers in a state of constNt stress about their childrens behaviour and inabilities in the class with doors bolted and windows locked shut to keep them from bolting off down the road.

Many special needs and behaviourly challenged children children in schools today simply should not be there and are just being facilitated at cost to the rest of their classes learning while their parents don’t pay for the special needs services/childminding their children clearly need.

Teachers are no longer teaching - they are babysitting special needs children incapable of learning or behaving in a classroom setting at huge cost to the learning of those who can, and should be taught.

Why do teachers earn more than nurses?

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