CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

TheDenialTwist · 23-03-2020 03:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What if you have a skin condition, such as dermatitis for example... if that person washes their hands too often, they won't have any skin left!

I know someone with bad dermatitis - if they didn't have surgical gloves right now, their hands would be completely destroyed. They do wash their hands, of course, but they have to be careful how often each day. Cleaning and re-using gloves is their only option.

Reusing gloves? Are you serious?

Yurt2 · 23-03-2020 03:12PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Wuhan, China's epicentre was locked down, although the horse had already bolted, they locked it down eventually. New York is flying the virus all across American and beyond, people still allowed to walk around freely, no masks being worn, subway still running, taxi's still running , buses still running. New York is doomed, why on earth are they treating a country as vast as US the same way for every state. New York needs cutting off as soon as asap as possible, but it's all just a novelty to the residents there.
I can't believe they haven't isolated New York

Unlike Wuhan, NYC is a serious economic engine of the global economy (and the US obviously). It's a difficult decision to make. With the American 'always on' mindset I understand why it hasn't happened, but the call needs to be made soon you'd think.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 23-03-2020 03:13PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Reusing gloves? Are you serious?

Well they don't have an endless supply of them... so what else do you propose they do?

cnocbui · 23-03-2020 03:13PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Reusing gloves? Are you serious?

Why not, I have cleaned and re-used my hands for an entire lifetime? Amazing how long they have lasted.

CrabRevolution · 23-03-2020 03:14PM

frisbeeface wrote: »

In perfect lab conditions the virus can survive up to 3 hours in the air. This is the study you will see referenced a million times in these threads. It should be noted they use a special bit of equipment to hold the aerosolised virus in which in no way reflect a real world situation - it's small and completely self contained with no venting or airflow.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf

In tests from Singapore hospitals they haven't found any of the virus in air samples taken from hospital rooms of symptomatic patients.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762692

This is the reason for the 2m guidance for social distancing. Currently the research thinks that unless you are coughed/sneezed/breathed heavily on from close enough the the droplets themselves land on you, which you then transfer to your face by touching it, you are OK.

I attended the PPE training in a HSE facility last week and their official guidance is that once you're not making contact with the patient, it's safe to enter a Covid-19 patients room an hour after an "aerosol generating incident" (i.e. coughing, sneezing, intubating a patient etc.).

The HSE's advice stated that the virus is settled/inert an hour after aerosol generation. Obviously if they're still coughing and spluttering or having procedures done on them you gown and mask up.

The idea that you can catch the virus from the open air because someone sneezed upwind of you 3 hours ago is just not possible.

spookwoman · 23-03-2020 03:15PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Why not, I have cleaned and re-used my hands for an entire lifetime? Amazing how long they have lasted.

Can't be any different to different to washing your hands

Duke of Url · 23-03-2020 03:15PM

Fleetwoodmac wrote: »

And tonic water..

With Gin?

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 03:15PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

Reusing gloves? Are you serious?

If you wash the gloves with soap and water, would that not be the same as washing your hands with soap and water?

Valhallapt · 23-03-2020 03:17PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

A family member called for a test thursday 12th, was tested (swabbed) Monday 16th evening last, results received Sunday morning 22nd - positive.

That's a backlog imo, noones fault but it is certainly a delay.

Is it possible to get the swabbed backlog tested elsewhere? Does china have spare capacity at this stage, we have aer lingus starting to fly to beijing, can they carry a few thousand of the backlog swabs to china for testing?

owlbethere · 23-03-2020 03:17PM

Fleetwoodmac wrote: »

And tonic water..

And buckfast

bear1 · 23-03-2020 03:18PM

So if the UK goes in lockdown, does the border with the north become an issue again?

Naggdefy · 23-03-2020 03:19PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Belgian health minister thinks the current severe restrictions will be in place for about eight weeks and then start to be lifted.

Might be a clue for us in Ireland as well : current set up of most places being closed lasts until mid to late May.

I don't see that time frame as being realistic. China is still under lockdown. Many countries like the US and UK are a long way off peak numbers. When you relax measures you have to be definite the virus is well gone. Nothing will change until the end of June at the earliest.

Health ministers etc will say things for different reasons, sometimes just to give hope to their people and raise morale.

Even an ordinary person can see certain things. Once we recorded our first case on March 1st you could tell from the pattern in other countries that all major gatherings like matches and the St. Patrick's Day parade, anything that drew large crowds together, who would mingle outdoors and indoors, would be gone within a week to ten days.

cnocbui · 23-03-2020 03:19PM

quokula wrote: »

It's worth pointing out that graph was made by a company who sells those masks, and it's based on their interpretation of the data from a study that was very specifically analysing indoor use of masks by people sharing a household with an infected person.

I'd love to see your reasoning on why a mask that proves effective in a high contamination risk scenario, looses all efficacy when used in a much lower risk scenario.

TheDenialTwist · 23-03-2020 03:19PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What if you have a skin condition, such as dermatitis for example... if that person washes their hands too often, they won't have any skin left!

I know someone with bad dermatitis - if they didn't have surgical gloves right now, their hands would be completely destroyed. They do wash their hands, of course, but they have to be careful how often each day. Cleaning and re-using gloves is their only option.

I was speaking generally about people wearing gloves going to the supermarket and so forth.

Reusing gloves is definitely not recommended. Dispose of gloves immediately after use.

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 03:19PM

I was looking at what other countries did and in california:

California’s new stay-at-home order requires residents to stay home except for certain “essential” activities, which include buying food and seeking medical care. Officials emphasized that the orders did not bar people from leaving their homes, and encouraged residents to take walks — provided they stay at least six feet away from anyone not in their household — and go to grocery stores.

I could live with that.

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 03:21PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I don't see that time frame as being realistic. China is still under lockdown. Many countries like the US and UK are a long way off peak numbers. When you relax measures you have to be definite the virus is well gone. Nothing will change until the end of June at the earliest.

Health ministers etc will say things for different reasons, sometimes just to give hope to their people and raise morale.

And even if we get a handle on it here in the next few months, we can't go back to business as usual because someone carrying the infection could come into the country and start the ball rolling again.

Ninthlife · 23-03-2020 03:21PM

Can someone or mods create a thread specifically for the mask/no mask arguments

caveat emptor · 23-03-2020 03:21PM

voluntary wrote: »

Any place in this country which sells masks? I see people in masks, where do they get them from?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=full+face+respirator+p3

iguana · 23-03-2020 03:22PM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

There are posts on FB showing how to make masks from kitchen paper, do you/anyone think they would be any good ?

I wonder what the mesh size/filtering abilities of kitchen paper are ? I am sure if I made one mine would go soggy and be pretty useless ?

I'm self-isolating fully now as I have symptoms and am waiting for a test. But before that if I was going out, I put on a dust mask for DIY and wrapped a scarf/snood around my lower face. Not to protect me but to protect others. I can't actually tell you what a relief that is to me right now. If I am infected at least I know I wasn't doing my shopping spreading millions of tiny bits of my spit about the place.

23-03-2020 03:24PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Usually the tube is full of suits but none in the picture, it seems to be mainly working class because middle class are now working from home.

Unfortunately they have no option to work from home

All these stayathome hashtags on twitter are no help to the people who have to go to work.
People freaking out about someone walking on a beach at the weekend, what about the woman who has to sit at a Lidl checkout all day to process your shopping?

gabeeg · 23-03-2020 03:25PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I was looking at what other countries did and in california:

California’s new stay-at-home order requires residents to stay home except for certain “essential” activities, which include buying food and seeking medical care. Officials emphasized that the orders did not bar people from leaving their homes, and encouraged residents to take walks — provided they stay at least six feet away from anyone not in their household — and go to grocery stores.

I could live with that.

Yeah me too. I've a real dread about being locked in my apartment for the summer. You just know it'll be one of those once in a decade Irish summers.

That said, I worry the idiots would ruin this leeway for us by acting the maggot.
No government wants to shut its population away for months, but unfortunately they all seem to find they have to go that route eventually.

Ninthlife · 23-03-2020 03:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All these stayathome hashtags on twitter are no help to the people who have to go to work.
People freaking out about someone walking on a beach at the weekend, what about the woman who has to sit at a Lidl checkout all day to process your shopping?

Now theres a job I would not envy right now

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 03:25PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Yes Dublin for sure needs a lockdown, no one in or out. It's incredible that people haven't learnt from the Chinese lock down of Wuhan, yes it came late, and we saw what happened for their late response, yet the world is doing the same for their epicentres, allowing it to get out of control before the lock it down.

CRAZY

No love for the Korean way here still?

I remember when we were giving the "commie chinese" a hard time for their harsh commie authoritarian actions, now it seems that's the only way.

Word to the wise though, they locked people in apartments. Literally closed the apartment blocks down, and allowed external people to bring in food only to the door.

d51984 · 23-03-2020 03:26PM

Some good news... First Aer Lingus flight 28th March, to China. up to 5 daily by 31st, DUB-PEK, 660tons initial, 50-60 flights, with up to 5 of these over the next 2 months

The above is Aer lingus flights flying empty to China and returning full of medical goods, part of the massive government order for medical goods.

More information over on the aviation thread.

Naggdefy · 23-03-2020 03:26PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And even if we get a handle on it here in the next few months, we can't go back to business as usual because someone carrying the infection could come into the country and start the ball rolling again.

Exactly. You're only as good as your neighbours. The UK doing so poorly is bad for us. So much inter connection.

Tell me how · 23-03-2020 03:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All these stayathome hashtags on twitter are no help to the people who have to go to work.
People freaking out about someone walking on a beach at the weekend, what about the woman who has to sit at a Lidl checkout all day to process your shopping?

The people freaking out about the cavalier attitude of some walking on the beach is because they are conscientious of those sitting at service counters who have no choice.

The pictures from Richmond Park in London or at that chip shop in Bray are an insult to the woman working in Lidl.

cdgalwegian · 23-03-2020 03:27PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Can someone or mods create a thread specifically for the mask/no mask arguments

Not a bad idea- I'm tired of it myself, so won't be going there though.

On a different note, anybody got any good sources for asymptomatic spread of Covid-19, as in from up-to-date medical sources, rather than magazine articles? I
read last week ( a medical report) that a few supposed cases that were deemed to be asymptomatic spreaders turned out to be symptomatic. Also, a key indicator of symptoms would be pyrexia, but taking paracetamol and brufen could mask this, so up-to-date info would be useful in this regard. The up-to-date medical info is surprisingly hard to find.

shmeee · 23-03-2020 03:29PM

Local GP, saying a 5 day wait to be tested (requests today will be Friday at the earliest) and the same again for results back at present. In the Midlands.

TheDenialTwist · 23-03-2020 03:31PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Why not, I have cleaned and re-used my hands for an entire lifetime? Amazing how long they have lasted.

I think you will acknowledge gloves are disposable are meant to be disposed of after use.

Unfortunately, our hands are not disposable or made of latex.

Utilising correct hand washing techniques and frequently is the Public Health advice.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 23-03-2020 03:32PM

If you become infected and then recover, does that mean you are no longer contagious and very unlikely to be reinfected?

So you wouldn't need to restrict movement etc. for recovered persons?

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