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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #2282
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Not our experts. *Your* expert.

    'Our' expert. Said consultant has been on tv and radio frequently since the crisis escalated. Very much 'OUR'.


  • #2283
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    You can see from the ROI data that there is very little community transmission in the border counties, presumably this holds true on the opposite side of the border. Belfast will be a hotspot though.

    A very encouraging sign is that both ROI and NI seem to be well behind GB in cases / deaths. It may be that the island is considerably less infected than the bigger one.


  • #2284
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So I'm confused. Is your issue with the fact they don't work? Or that we don't have enough anyway.

    I'd agree with you in saying a surgical mask doesn't prevent you from contracting it but a respirator is designed to filter out particulate matter (including viruses in droplets).

    Surgical mask have been proven to prevent you from spreading it to other people. We need to block chains of transmission.

    Confounding the lack of supply with the science of how masks work is disingenuous. Government needs to be held to account on this point.

    Staying at home will also prevent a person who has the virus from spreading it. This will block transmitting the virus far more effectively.


  • #2285
    IQO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭IQO


    marklazarcovic wrote: »
    On the waiting list to be tested as off 9.30 am today,Galway. Hopefully I get it quick, history of chest issues.
    On the waiting list since last Wednesday, no news since. Better conditions now compared to last week though, so that's good news.


  • #2286
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    If we see say 100 or so new cases a day for the next the rest of the week which would be low is there a reason to relax some of the restrictions in place or do people still think we could see large daily increases and numbers like the UK Spain Italy. Like could the fact that the population density outside of say Dublin is so low that we don't need the same restrictions.

    120 or so a day is not insignificant in such an early phase of an epidemic. France is 12x times larger population, so they are reporting a similar number of cases per capita daily as us, do you think France should relax their lockdown with those daily numbers? (approx 1200-1500 new cases daily the last few days)


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  • #2287
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    BurnUp78 wrote: »
    Hey guys looking for some advice, my grandmother is in her 80s but family members are continuing to visit her house such as my uncle and his girlfriend. I'm just wondering is this okay as long as they are keeping their distance from her or should I ask them to stop visiting the house altogether?

    Tell them to cop on


  • #2288
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A fascinating look at how the various shutdowns/social isolation has changed activity in cities across the world..

    No Irish cities in the data unfortunately , but interesting to see the drop off in activity in somewhere like New York for example over the last 2 weeks..

    New York showed 67% of normal activity 2 weeks ago , and as of yesterday that was down to 8%

    https://citymapper.com/cmi


  • #2289
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    Rumors are now spreading in China's social media that the coronavirus is from Italy.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076334/coronavirus-strange-pneumonia-seen-lombardy-november-leading

    A “strange pneumonia” was circulating in northern Italy
    as long ago as November, weeks before doctors were made aware of the novel coronavirus outbreak
    in China, one of the European country’s leading medical experts said this week.


    From the New York Times
    How the Virus Got Out
    Many of the first known cases clustered around a seafood market in Wuhan, China, a city of 11 million and a transportation hub.

    Four cases grew to dozens by the end of December. Doctors knew only that the sick people had viral pneumonia that did not respond to the usual treatments.


    Over 900 people went to New York every month on average, based on recent trends …
    … over 2,200 to Sydney …
    … and over 15,000 people went to Bangkok, the most popular destination.
    That’s where the first known overseas case appeared in mid-January, a 61-year-old woman who traveled from Wuhan to Bangkok despite having a fever, headache and a sore throat.
    Other early cases turned up in Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul and Hong Kong. The U.S. confirmed its first case near Seattle.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage


  • #2290
    TheAsYLuMkeY
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    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    Masks are best left to those with the virus. As for wearing gloves :eyeroll:
    .

    Why an eyeroll for wearing gloves?

    I wear gloves, when i am in and out of a shop i will use sanitiser anyway on the gloves.

    Two reasons, if i have it on my hands because i am infected, i wont spread it, if its on a surface i touch i wont have it on my hands and i wont spread it with the gloves as i sanitise them also anyway.

    I wont be the cause of anyone getting it from me and i am hoping i wont pick it up by being super careful.

    I have a son that struggles with his breathing anyway.


  • #2291
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    BurnUp78 wrote: »
    Hey guys looking for some advice, my grandmother is in her 80s but family members are continuing to visit her house such as my uncle and his girlfriend. I'm just wondering is this okay as long as they are keeping their distance from her or should I ask them to stop visiting the house altogether?
    It's a really bad plan. They need to stop going into her house. It's pretty basic stuff this.
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Confounding the lack of supply with the science of how masks work is disingenuous. Government needs to be held to account on this point.
    Well I can understand why C, there aren't enough masks around for health workers. I would bet the farm if masks were plentiful it would soon become a thing not to be wearing one in public.
    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    Masks are best left to those with the virus. As for wearing gloves :eyeroll:

    People just won't adhere to the Public Health messages regarding the wearing of masks.
    From the HSE:

    Face masks

    Using masks is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

    Sick people will be advised by their doctor when to use a mask. Healthcare workers need masks and other personal protective equipment to protect them from infection during their work.

    So masks have likely no benefit for stopping transmission, but do protect health workers from infection? Those two sentences in bold are direct contradictions. I know why they are, but only an idiot would conclude masks aren't of benefit in lowering the risks of infection, and transmitting infection if you have the illness.

    Actually in the latter case the paper ones are better. Why? The respirators have on unfiltered outflow valve, the paper ones filter both ways.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #2292
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Via Sky News a few minutes ago:

    The NHS has asked the British military to spec out the ExCel centre in London, to see if it can be turned into a Coronavirus hospital.
    Military planners visited the centre over the weekend.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExCeL_London


  • #2293
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BurnUp78 wrote: »
    Hey guys looking for some advice, my grandmother is in her 80s but family members are continuing to visit her house such as my uncle and his girlfriend. I'm just wondering is this okay as long as they are keeping their distance from her or should I ask them to stop visiting the house altogether?
    Also know someone calling on parents, but at quite a distance and outside. This is the guideline. Might be a good time to have a family chat about it.


  • #2294
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Yeah screw them. Imagine not risking a car falling on someone. Cowards

    In fairness the NCT lift issue has been handled appallingly.

    There is a long thread about it over on motors and nobody there is wishing any harm on the workers.

    The whole thing pales into insignificance compared to the virus though.


  • #2295
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Wibbs wrote: »
    As I noted earlier C, they weren't particularly expensive. I got this pretty bloody good one for 25 quid last year long before this pox was on the horizon.

    506697.JPG

    Now they're changing hands on ebay for 100 quid and over. Price gouging cnuts. :mad::mad:

    The paper masks alone do most certainly reduce the risk, if properly worn and fitted and observing the hand hygiene and distancing. But yeah the respirator types like above are significantly better.

    When I see doctors and nurses in Italy and Spain and the UK dealing directly with covid patients in a crowded ward with only surgical masks it really saddens me. :( Talk about sheer unalloyed bravery.

    I have a couple that say FFP3 NR on the packaging.

    But they don't look anywhere near as fancy as your one!

    I just bought them for some DIY stuff last year. You see painters wearing them alot.

    There is a plastic type vent in the middle of the mask. Any idea what the "NR" might stand for? Would they keep out any small aerosols from this virus, if they're good for paint fumes?


  • #2296
    KingBobby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭KingBobby


    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    Masks are best left to those with the virus. As for wearing gloves :eyeroll:

    People just won't adhere to the Public Health messages regarding the wearing of masks.

    Not everybody knows they have the virus. The virus can live for up to 3 hours in aerosol droplets. (see link here)
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center

    I wear my mask when I have to go to to the supermarket etc because there is no guarantee that someone carrying the virus without a mask hasn't been breathing it all over the aisle.

    The statement that masks don't work was put out there simply to stop people from stock piling them when there was already a worldwide shortage.

    If everybody wore a mask when they had to leave the house, the risk would be greatly reduced for everybody


  • #2297
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    Krispy Kreme shutting at 6pm today across Ireland and UK.

    Same with Costa.


  • #2298
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Why an eyeroll for wearing gloves?

    I wear gloves, when i am in and out of a shop i will use sanitiser anyway on the gloves.

    Two reasons, if i have it on my hands because i am infected, i wont spread it, if its on a surface i touch i wont have it on my hands and i wont spread it with the gloves as i sanitise them also anyway.

    I wont be the cause of anyone getting it from me and i am hoping i wont pick it up by being super careful.

    I have a son that struggles with his breathing anyway.

    There's already been posts on here about the general public wearing gloves. Frequent and correct hand washing is more effective.


  • #2299
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Also know someone calling on parents, but at quite a distance and outside. This is the guideline. Might be a good time to have a family chat about it.

    Correct, people should not be entering the premises of their older relatives. I am not sure why people are not grasping the often repeated basics.


  • #2300
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The Germans have been helping the Italians btw, they're just not making a song und tanze about it like Vlad the impaler

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  • #2301
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    Why an eyeroll for wearing gloves?

    I wear gloves, when i am in and out of a shop i will use sanitiser anyway on the gloves.

    Two reasons, if i have it on my hands because i am infected, i wont spread it, if its on a surface i touch i wont have it on my hands and i wont spread it with the gloves as i sanitise them also anyway.

    I wont be the cause of anyone getting it from me and i am hoping i wont pick it up by being super careful.

    I have a son that struggles with his breathing anyway.
    It's the super careful that's doing it for you! A nurse told me that they are a bit pointless outside as you can easily touch your face but anything that makes people feel safe I suppose.


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  • #2302
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    BurnUp78 wrote: »
    Hey guys looking for some advice, my grandmother is in her 80s but family members are continuing to visit her house such as my uncle and his girlfriend. I'm just wondering is this okay as long as they are keeping their distance from her or should I ask them to stop visiting the house altogether?

    STOP VISITING. - Unless it's to drop food at the door and then step away.
    Distance doesn't provide much protection in a standard house - just like 'isolation' - it's probably just not possible in a shared standard Irish house.

    If anyone gets it in my house, we will all have it. We couldn't individually 'isolate' with the vomit bug a few years ago, despite best efforts, so everyone got it and we still don't have any additional spare bedrooms and bathrooms to do it now.


  • #2303
    Reati
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    dan786 wrote: »
    Krispy Kreme shutting at 6pm today across Ireland and UK.


    Plenty of arteries on the northside of Dublin be happy about that...


  • #2304
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    dan786 wrote: »
    Krispy Kreme shutting at 6pm today across Ireland and UK.

    Same with Costa.

    No way. How can such an essential business even think of closing!!


  • #2305
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    There's already been posts on here about the general public wearing gloves. Frequent and correct hand washing is more effective.

    Do you work for HSE? Is there a meaning in your username? Or do you just like denying everything? What are your thoughts on the Moon landing?


  • #2306
    spookwoman
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    I have a couple that say FFP3 NR on the packaging.

    But they don't look anywhere near as fancy as your one!

    I just bought them for some DIY stuff last year. You see painters wearing them alot.

    There is a plastic type vent in the middle of the mask. Any idea what the "NR" might stand for? Would they keep out any small aerosols from this virus, if they're good for paint fumes?

    NR Non-reusable
    From what i gather dont quote me as soon as they get damp they need to be replaced.


  • #2307
    cdgalwegian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's a really

    From the HSE:

    Face masks

    Using masks is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

    Sick people will be advised by their doctor when to use a mask. Healthcare workers need masks and other personal protective equipment to protect them from infection during their work.

    So masks have likely no benefit for stopping transmission, but do protect health workers from infection? Those two sentences in bold are direct contradictions. I know why they are, but only an idiot would conclude masks aren't of benefit in lowering the risks of infection, and transmitting infection if you have the illness.
    People need to differentiate between masks against Covid-19 being used by healthcare workers - FFP3 - and ordinary surgical masks. Then work from there.
    Surgical masks are only good, but very good at, stopping people from touching their faces when they are outside, a major cause of transmission.


  • #2308
    Cypher_sounds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭Cypher_sounds


    dan786 wrote: »
    Krispy Kreme shutting at 6pm today across Ireland and UK.

    Same with Costa.

    Subway also from 5pm today.


  • #2309
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    A fascinating look at how the various shutdowns/social isolation has changed activity in cities across the world..

    No Irish cities in the data unfortunately , but interesting to see the drop off in activity in somewhere like New York for example over the last 2 weeks..

    New York showed 67% of normal activity 2 weeks ago , and as of yesterday that was down to 8%

    https://citymapper.com/cmi

    Crazy that Milan was already down to below 10% of the population moving around 2 weeks ago and the number of new cases is still so high
    Looks like the lockdowns havnt really taken as strong effect in UK or North America, I'd say Ireland could be grouped with them in that regard. 20-25% of people still going about normal daily movements in major cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Seattle ,Birmingham, Manchester. I'd imagine Dublin and Belfast are somewhere around 20-25% movement as well


  • #2310
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    KingBobby wrote: »
    Not everybody knows they have the virus. The virus can live for up to 3 hours in aerosol droplets. (see link here)
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center

    I wear my mask when I have to go to to the supermarket etc because there is no guarantee that someone carrying the virus without a mask hasn't been breathing it all over the aisle.

    The statement that masks don't work was put out there simply to stop people from stock piling them when there was already a worldwide shortage.

    If everybody wore a mask when they had to leave the house, the risk would be greatly reduced for everybody

    Great link. I've posted similar links but I think that one sums up better.
    How long can the coronavirus stay airborne? I have read different estimates.

    A study done by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases' Laboratory of Virology in the Division of Intramural Research in Hamilton, Montana helps to answer this question. The researchers used a nebulizer to blow coronaviruses into the air. They found that infectious viruses could remain in the air for up to three hours. The results of the study were published in the New England Journal of Medicine on March 17, 2020.

    How long can the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 survive on surfaces?

    A recent study found that the COVID-19 coronavirus can survive up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The researchers also found that this virus can hang out as droplets in the air for up to three hours before they fall. But most often they will fall more quickly.

    There's a lot we still don't know, such as how different conditions, such as exposure to sunlight, heat, or cold, can affect these survival times.

    As we learn more, continue to follow the CDC's recommendations for cleaning frequently touched surfaces and objects every day. These include counters, tabletops, doorknobs, bathroom fixtures, toilets, phones, keyboards, tablets, and bedside tables.

    If surfaces are dirty, first clean them using a detergent and water, then disinfect them. A list of products suitable for use against COVID-19 is available here. This list has been pre-approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for use during the COVID-19 outbreak.

    In addition, wash your hands for 20 seconds with soap and water after bringing in packages, or after trips to the grocery store or other places where you may have come into contact with infected surfaces    .


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  • #2311
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    TheDenialTwist wrote: »
    There's already been posts on here about the general public wearing gloves. Frequent and correct hand washing is more effective.

    Furthermore, to the poster wearing gloves in the supermarket. If you have the virus, how will gloves prevent you from spreading it? It's SARS-CoV-2, thereby it's main mode of transmission is being in close direct contact with an infected individual and it's via droplets. You could cough and splutter or someone else could, so how would gloves help you then?


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