CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

JP Liz V1 · 23-03-2020 01:47AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

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Has China and Italy tried using Avigan?

Wolf359f · 23-03-2020 01:47AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The increasing ICU bed occupation is alarming.
Fingers crossed.

They have 170ish ICU beds available, but we don't know how long a person needs to stay on ICU until they can be moved to a ward or, god forgive me... pass away.
I think the ICU figure will dictate any lockdown and unfortunately that decision has to be made 2 weeks in advance. As things change so much day to day, it's pretty hard to predict the situation 2 weeks in advance.

An Ri rua · 23-03-2020 01:50AM

murpho999 wrote: »

No it's not that.

Please tell me how I sanitize my hands on entry and exit of supermarket is less effective than gloves.

The gloves don't kill the virus. The gloves still spread it. People still touch their face etc with it.

That and people wearing masks are just feeding their own fears.

That's just ridiculous. You're far less likely to touch your face if you're wearing gloves. Unless you're below the age of reason. Or drunk.

A cut on your hand, which many have from constantly washing hands and using sanitiser, is surely more risky than wearing gloves.

Sir Oxman · 23-03-2020 01:50AM

murpho999 wrote: »

How is it alarming?

It's expected and they have extra beds now. It's gong to increase even more.

I still think the ICU numbers are encouraging.

Are you being contrary on purpose?

It's increased from 7 to 29 in two days therefore it is alarming.

JP Liz V1 · 23-03-2020 01:50AM

Is March 29, d day for us as in if social distancing flattened the curve? What is the expected plan outcome, 15,000 or under good?

paddythere · 23-03-2020 01:50AM

ITman88 wrote: »

I asked this some time ago.
I’m curious as to how this rate will be effected?
It the rate daily has risen to 2300 per day it’s insane, not so much if come December the yearly death toll has not risen

Apparently that has dramatically risen too as a result of the hospitals being overrun but the numbers are obviously not included in the virus figures

kowloon · 23-03-2020 01:51AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Where did hear this and what damage

Damage to the lungs, honeycombing and the fever can attack healthy tissue. Saw it on the National Geographic web page a few weeks ago and it has been mentioned in previous versions of this thread.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 23-03-2020 01:53AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That's the one positive thing I see. A lot of companies are closing of their own accord. I was shocked when I heard Germany's lockdown allowed the likes of barbers to stay open.... wtf... and Italy's lockdown allowed factories to stay open.
I mean we're nearly in a lockdown but all that's legally supposed to close is schools, childcare and pubs.

Your wrong. Schools and childcare were the only group closed by the government. Pubs can stay open if they want, they were REQUESTED to close and many did but many didn’t and are allowing customers in the back door which isn’t illegal and they cannot he prosecuted for it

nc6000 · 23-03-2020 01:53AM

ITman88 wrote: »

I asked this some time ago.
I’m curious as to how this rate will be effected?
It the rate daily has risen to 2300 per day it’s insane, not so much if come December the yearly death toll has not risen

Unfortunately come December the yearly death toll will have risen considerably and not just in Italy. I don't think it's a case of people who were likely to die dying a bit sooner than expected.

Renjit · 23-03-2020 01:54AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The UK aren't really testing though. I think they tested 5522 yesterday. That's 83 per million population. We're at 2k tests, 414 per million and ramping up to 931 per million.

UK is a bit behind in testing but not much. The issue has been their approach so far.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

Strazdas · 23-03-2020 01:54AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is March 29, d day for us as in if social distancing flattened the curve? What is the expected plan outcome, 15,000 or under good?

No, that was just a day picked at random.

The Taoiseach think Covid will continue to grow day on day for the next 3-4 weeks. The aim is to slow this right down.....if they could get it down to say 2000 instead of 15000 at the end of March, they'd be really happy.

Wolf359f · 23-03-2020 01:55AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is March 29, d day for us as in if social distancing flattened the curve? What is the expected plan outcome, 15,000 or under good?

Tony Holohan mentioned they expected 300+ per day from Sunday onwards, so I assume we're under the 15k by the end of the month, this was all based on no controls or checks. I assume... or hope the social distancing is helping to flatten the curve already.

cnocbui · 23-03-2020 01:56AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

X

I'd like to hear this also. no mention of this anywhere from official sources. if there is confirmation there is life altering damage even to those discharged with milder doses (outside of confirmation from some lad in his room with a tinfoil hat), then I would gladly accept it.

During the third phase, lung damage continues to build—which can result in respiratory failure. Even if death doesn’t occur, some patients survive with permanent lung damage. According to the WHO, SARS punched holes in the lungs, giving them “a honeycomb-like appearance”—and these lesions are present in those afflicted by novel coronavirus, too.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

There was an HSE consultant posting about 2-3 threads ago who confirmed the permanent lung damage and even said many would likely die as a result of the damage, not long after being recorded as having 'recovered' from the virus.

New Home · 23-03-2020 01:56AM

kowloon wrote: »

Unless the inflammation it can cause is some sort of magic inflammation that can't cause knock-on effects and the fluid on the lungs is some sort of non-infectious happy fluid then I believe the doctors are fully aware that it can cause long-term damage. No need for the attitude.

Exactly.

frillyleaf wrote: »

Where did hear this and what damage

Blanco100 wrote: »

X

I'd like to hear this also. no mention of this anywhere from official sources. if there is confirmation there is life altering damage even to those discharged with milder doses (outside of confirmation from some lad in his room with a tinfoil hat), then I would gladly accept it.

It can also damage your heart and your kidneys, for instance. And if you had listened to any of the interviews from the ICU doctors, you'd have heard it from them, just like you'd have heard that even the fact that people are being intubated and ventilated can cause damage to the tissues of the lung because of the added pressure. But hey, let someone else do your homework for you.

mick987 · 23-03-2020 01:56AM

ITman88 wrote: »

I asked this some time ago.
I’m curious as to how this rate will be effected?
It the rate daily has risen to 2300 per day it’s insane, not so much if come December the yearly death toll has not risen

It will be interesting next year to find out how many people died and compare the figures with previous years, that will give us some idea of how many people died of the virus and how many would have died anyway.

con747 · 23-03-2020 01:56AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Are you being contrary on purpose?

It's increased from 7 to 29 in two days therefore it is alarming.

Actual figure is. "The number of patients being treated in intensive care has more than doubled in the past few days: from 13 at midnight on Thursday to 29 currently".

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mick987 · 23-03-2020 01:59AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

X

I'd like to hear this also. no mention of this anywhere from official sources. if there is confirmation there is life altering damage even to those discharged with milder doses (outside of confirmation from some lad in his room with a tinfoil hat), then I would gladly accept it.

Ask the same question early and was told to google "Honeycomb effect to the lungs" quite an eye opener

kowloon · 23-03-2020 01:59AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

X

I'd like to hear this also. no mention of this anywhere from official sources. if there is confirmation there is life altering damage even to those discharged with milder doses (outside of confirmation from some lad in his room with a tinfoil hat), then I would gladly accept it.

For a start, you've added those two details yourself. You know damn well fever and pneumonia can do lasting damage. Surviving something doesn't automatically restore you to full health, the symptoms take their toll, life isn't a video game.

Wolf359f · 23-03-2020 02:00AM

Renjit wrote: »

UK is a bit behind in testing but not much. The issue has been their approach so far.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

That UK figure is from 4 days ago (64621 to 78340 over 4 days - 3429 daily tests), the Irish figure is 6 days old.
UK seem to be testing on hospital admissions, Ireland testing anyone with symptoms.

murpho999 · 23-03-2020 02:00AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Are you being contrary on purpose?

It's increased from 7 to 29 in two days therefore it is alarming.

People keep focussing on increases but the real number is 29.

29 out of almost 1000 cases is not a bad number that 's the point.

It's only going to increase at this stage and will increase tomorrow.

They have told us this every day for over a week so I don't see how it's alarming.

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 02:02AM

murpho999 wrote: »

No it's not that.

Please tell me how I sanitize my hands on entry and exit of supermarket is less effective than gloves.

The gloves don't kill the virus. The gloves still spread it. People still touch their face etc with it.

That and people wearing masks are just feeding their own fears.

I disagree with your points ;

- sanitising your hands is not as affective as not getting it on your hands in the first place. The most affective way of removing it is washing your hands, you can’t do this leaving a supermarket

- although the gloves don’t kill it, they do prevent it from going onto your skin on hands. I know when I’m wearing gloves I’m more conscious not to touch things from a disease control point of view, which also means I’m less likely to touch my face. Having a visual reminder to be careful also reduces touching face.

- Hong Kong is one of the least affected areas despite its close proximity to Wuhan. EVERYONE there wears masks going anywhere even outdoors. The logic for this is people can have the disease without having symptoms. If everyone has a mask infected people, that don’t have symptoms, are less likely to spread the disease to other people.

murpho999 · 23-03-2020 02:06AM

An Ri rua wrote: »

That's just ridiculous. You're far less likely to touch your face if you're wearing gloves. Unless you're below the age of reason. Or drunk.

A cut on your hand, which many have from constantly washing hands and using sanitiser, is surely more risky than wearing gloves.

I don't see how wearing thin gloves would stop you sub-consciously touching your face. I'd only were gloves in winter and I know I'd scratch my face with them,

I have no cuts on my hands from washing (people are washing wrong then) and I've never heard of sanitzer causing cuts.

I wash my hands when I get home and that's they only time I go out so I'm not constantly washing my hands either. If people are staying at home and not in touch with people then there's no need for them to do so either.

23-03-2020 02:06AM

Apparently this was filmed at a Tesco in Hull, UK sometime on Sunday. I don’t know what to say tbh......

https://twitter.com/tplattss/status/1241707208452321280?s=21

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 02:07AM

The exhausted and bruised faces of Italian health workers caused by prolonged wearing of personal protective equipment.

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Translation : To you all - Thank you.

Tippex · 23-03-2020 02:09AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Are you being contrary on purpose?

It's increased from 7 to 29 in two days therefore it is alarming.

Reading between the lines I believe the reason for the increase was there was 14 patients from a nursing home (btw it wasn’t over 2 days either)

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 02:10AM

New Home wrote: »

Exactly.

It can also damage your heart and your kidneys, for instance. And if you had listened to any of the interviews from the ICU doctors, you'd have heard it from them, just like you'd have heard that even the fact that people are being intubated and ventilated can cause damage to the tissues of the lung because of the added pressure. But hey, let someone else do your homework for you.

I mean has there been any evidence that there is long term damage from people without symptoms or who weren’t sick enough to end up in hospital. There’s no need to be so aggressive, we should be helping each other not being rude to each other!

murpho999 · 23-03-2020 02:11AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I disagree with your points ;

- sanitising your hands is not as affective as not getting it on your hands in the first place. The most affective way of removing it is washing your hands, you can’t do this leaving a supermarket

- although the gloves don’t kill it, they do prevent it from going onto your skin on hands. I know when I’m wearing gloves I’m more conscious not to touch things from a disease control point of view, which also means I’m less likely to touch my face. Having a visual reminder to be careful also reduces touching face.

- Hong Kong is one of the least affected areas despite its close proximity to Wuhan. EVERYONE there wears masks going anywhere even outdoors. The logic for this is people can have the disease without having symptoms. If everyone has a mask infected people, that don’t have symptoms, are less likely to spread the disease to other people.

There's not one official government health body or worldwide agency advising to wear gloves or masks.

People touch their face without looking at hands so there is no visual reminder.

So now you're saying santising your hands is not good enough. Can't win.

Xertz · 23-03-2020 02:11AM

I have to say one thing I'm really shocked at how poor the PPE is, even the proper equipment seems badly designed and very impractical. It's like nobody ever thought about a scenario where we'd be dealing with a deadly virus.

I hope they're mass producing the proper gear i.e. similar to what might be used in biotech industry or labs.

It's something I've always been surprised at him hospitals tbh. You see infection control measures with gear that looks more like something you'd use in a restaurant than a biohazard area.

I know we're in a crisis, but it would help a lot of some of this stuff was produced with proper ergonomics and fit.

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 02:14AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see how wearing thin gloves would stop you sub-consciously touching your face. I'd only were gloves in winter and I know I'd scratch my face with them,

I have no cuts on my hands from washing (people are washing wrong then) and I've never heard of sanitzer causing cuts.

I wash my hands when I get home and that's they only time I go out so I'm not constantly washing my hands either. If people are staying at home and not in touch with people then there's no need for them to do so either.

I wear gloves handling sick animals sometimes and I definitely don’t touch my face as much with gloves on. In fact I’m super conscious of everything I touch with the gloves on to reduce spreading possible disease

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