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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #272
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    STB. wrote: »
    The rate of acceleration WILL continue.

    LOL. It’s not enough merely to panic, now we have to panic about the second derivative.


  • #273
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    The word 'on the frontline' is being overused now. Comparing a supermarket worker to a critical care physician is a bit much.

    If all the supermarket workers decide they’ve had enough of all the dogs abuse they’ve had this week and decide to “self isolate” then where will you buy the things you need?


  • #274
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    Another 360 deaths in Lombardy

    The total number of dead in the worst affected region of Italy is now more than 3,450, according to the Reuters news agency.

    The number of cases in the area, which includes Italy's financial capital, Milan, has increased by about 2,590 to more than 28,370.

    New York State announces 4,800 new cases of COVID-19

    The total is now 15,168, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

    The number of deaths has risen to 114.


  • #275
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    STB. wrote: »
    Think again.

    I have thought again and come to the same conclusion.
    Peacetime, my backside. Its an unprecedented global pandemic in our lifetime that if not taken seriously will cause a huge amount of unnecessary deaths. It is a war. There can be NO complacency.


    The rate of acceleration WILL continue.

    If the rate of acceleration continues to increase with the close down of all pubs, restaurants, cafes etc then nothing we can do will stop this. Stopping people wondering lonely on a beach isn't going to help much is it?

    As it happens the rate of increase has not accelerated in the last few days, but that might be something to do with testing over the weekend. We should also be cognisant of the fact that more tests will reveal more cases, but this tells us nothing about the actual increase. So a wiser strategy is randomised testing of people. A few hundred a day, symptomatic or not, picked from the register.

    It is posts like this and that general attitude that some people have that has Italy and Spain in the positions they are in. National emergency, national guard, lockdowns when the horse has bolted. People ignored advice.

    No it isn't. Italy went into lockdown mode after their health services was overwhelmed, and despite what people say here, Latin culture is in fact different as they socialise outdoors and are tactile. Not closing down outdoors for southern europeans, is like not closing down pubs here.

    However, as I said, if the facts change and the level of change accelerates ( not the number of cases which will increase for a while, but the change in the increase in the number of cases) then I will change my mind. However I reckon the risk of transmission from people walking on the beach on their own is close to 0%.

    If you have been guided by announcements, Varadkars message to the message was strong, but was signifying further moves. This is a well choreographed and phased level of panic.

    No problem with other moves if they aren't the insane level of locking everybody in their house indefinitely.

    To those of you who want to lock up the entire population, what's the end game. When do people leave? And if people leave and infection rates increase again, which they will probably, do we lock everybody up again? For how many years? Or until the vaccine?


  • #276
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Doctor Shipman wrote: »
    Who made you the arbiter of the thread? Maybe you should jog on.

    Fed up of people who are just criticising and moaning, here and social media.

    If people are complaining about the HSE and the reposnse then those people should if possible want to sign up and help make a difference.

    Far too easy to sit behind the keyboard and criticise


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  • #277
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Nermal wrote: »
    LOL. It’s not enough merely to panic, now we have to panic about the second derivative.

    Well that is, to be fair, the thing to worry about. As I wrote in a post yesterday the rate of change is in fact slowing down in Spain, and Italy. Not enough yet, but they are trending correctly.

    The US is the one trending as fast as ever, but that might be an increase in testing.


  • #278
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    Good point. There was a doctor posting here last week psudo something , can’t remember the name.

    Would be interesting to see what he thinks as he was quite informative
    He's doing an AMA here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Likewise the chances of being in contact with anyone long enough to get it are slim.
    How long do you think it takes to transmit the virus? Because it sounds like you're wrong.


  • #279
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Fed up of people who are just criticising and moaning, here and social media.

    If people are complaining about the HSE and the reposnse then those people should if possible want to sign up and help make a difference.

    It’s not criticism of the HSE but rather criticism of government choices.

    Look at the U.K. Boris is utterly reckless. The Irish government is much better, but there is more that can be done.

    I heard my local diy store is jammers, they should be told to shut.


  • #280
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 22 March 2020

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-03-22_0.png?itok=B5mzP34a

    The number of daily cases in Europe continues to stutter upwards on the barchart.

    Now approx 5 times the peak Chinese daily rate.

    Larger version clickable here https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • #281
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    timhenn wrote: »
    The same government who's leader went off to America just over a week ago?
    Don't like Leo or his ilk. However, it was necessary for An Taoiseach to go over to US for Patrick's Day show, national interest.

    What was not necessarily was all the pre, and especially post-trip group photo shoots. He was in close contact with a number of of US pols and officials, who had been in close contact with a Brazilian delegation, a number of whom had subsequently test positive.

    Leo has had no COVID-19 test AJAIK, and on past experience I'm pretty sure we'd have been told all about.

    He has made no apparent effort to practice social-distancing himself. cf North South Meeting, COVID-19 testing center etc., etc


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  • #282
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    timhenn wrote: »
    When's the last time we had covid 19? :confused:

    The response is too late! Can't you see that? Things should have been done ages ago, long before Leo was swanning off to America and back!

    Bull


  • #283
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I’m seeing reports on twitter and elsewhere of failure to take adequate precautions by certain major retailers.

    Someone needs to lay the law down with them and at least point out they’ve legal duties of care to their staff in particular and also customers in the stores.

    If they’re not taking adequate measures for whatever reason, they need to be closed down temporarily as they’d endangering everyone who’s working there or shopping there.

    I would much rather see retailers, especially food and so on, manage things properly and stay open, but a handful are being reckless or incompetent and not adapting to the situation.

    When retailers like SuperValu are being absolutely exemplary, it’s just sad to see certain others taking such a laid back attitude.

    This isn’t business as usual. It’s business with extreme caution.

    You can be a hero or you can be someone who took a short term view and screwed us all over for a few quid.


  • #284
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    This morning you were on spouting the solidarity you felt with some kid fool that got cheeky with an elderly lady in a supermarket when she asked him to keep his distance.

    What exactly is your point?

    Kidchameleon gets into a thread, establishes which way the flow is going , then resolves to swim against the tide irregardless of how ludicrous that may seem.
    In the Ana Kruegel thread he/she decided that Anas parents were partially to blame for her murder, and that Boy Bs father was an exemplary parent, from whom we could all learn a thing or two. That’s the sort of thing? Just so you know what your engaging with.


  • #285
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    It’s not criticism of the HSE but rather criticism of government choices.

    Look at the U.K. Boris is utterly reckless. The Irish government is much better, but there is more that can be done.

    I heard my local diy store is jammers, they should be told to shut.

    More can be done of course, whatever people think about the government they've done a great job so far. It's a balancing act really, make the wrong call and they'll be lynched, do it too soon or too late it's the same thing.

    We're still pretty early on in this, it'll be an emergency for weeks and months to come.

    Personally and I've said it for a while, anything non essential shouldn't be open, the DIY shop a prime example.


  • #286
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    FVP3 wrote: »
    So a wiser strategy is randomised testing of people. A few hundred a day, symptomatic or not, picked from the register.
    And what course of action would you advocate based on the results of this randomised testing?


  • #287
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Backlog of 40,000 people waiting.
    It's all ramping up says Paul Reid. Numbers of things on order are starting to become mind-blowing - 100,000 kits a week planned from China, €28m order for PPE items!
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0322/1124663-hse-reid/


  • #288
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Senior Irish politician has tested positive after contact with an RTE staff who had also tested positive. Safe and isolating at home.


  • #289
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Ficheall wrote: »
    And what course of action would you advocate based on the results of this randomised testing?
    An informed course of action.


  • #290
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Time to take a break from here and go for a walk.

    Some absolute head cases online this afternoon talking utter rubbish.

    If those that just want to criticise behind a keyboard and do nothing to help would like to sign up and help the HSE then sign up here https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/oncall/

    If not then stop complaining about them if your not prepared to do you bit. The same people probably ran out to the shops last week and panic bought and now complain about people going for walks.

    Rant over
    Nobody is as bad as the people downplaying it and sneering at people for following the guidelines.


  • #291
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Bull

    My post was 100% fact.


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  • #292
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    bekker wrote: »
    Don't like Leo or his ilk. However, it was necessary for An Taoiseach to go over to US for Patrick's Day show, national interest.

    What was not necessarily was all the pre, and especially post-trip group photo shoots. He was in close contact with a number of of US pols and officials, who had been in close contact with a Brazilian delegation, a number of whom had subsequently test positive.

    Leo has had no COVID-19 test AJAIK, and on past experience I'm pretty sure we'd have been told all about.

    He has made no apparent effort to practice social-distancing himself. cf North South Meeting, COVID-19 testing center etc., etc

    Close contact is defined as 15 mins within 2 metres of those people
    He did none of that
    I'm presuming he washes his hands and did so in the states and followed all guidelines
    Ergo if he has no symptoms, theres no point wasting a test kit


  • #293
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    timhenn wrote: »
    My post was 100% fact.

    No
    It was an opinion on response


  • #294
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    More can be done of course, whatever people think about the government they've done a great job so far. It's a balancing act really, make the wrong call and they'll be lynched, do it too soon or too late it's the same thing.

    We're still pretty early on in this, it'll be an emergency for weeks and months to come.

    Personally and I've said it for a while, anything non essential shouldn't be open, the DIY shop a prime example.

    They've made the wrong call weeks if not months ago! The chose finance over people's lives which will result in large numbers of deaths and a collapse of the economy. This is worse than ff in the naughties.


  • #295
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Senior Irish politician has tested positive after contact with an RTE staff who had also tested positive. Safe and isolating at home.

    https://m.independent.ie/incoming/politician-tested-for-coronavirus-after-contact-with-rte-case-39065600.html

    Politician has been tested, nothing mentioned about being positive


  • #296
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭threeball


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's all ramping up says Paul Reid. Numbers of things on order are starting to become mind-blowing - 150,000 kits a week from China, €28m order for PPE items!
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0322/1124663-hse-reid/

    Whats the latest on the Irish lads that produced the test kit that returns a result in 15 mins. That would be a game changer if it worked as promised.


  • #297
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,506 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Have we any figures for Ireland today?


  • #298
    PyreOfHellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭PyreOfHellfire


    Reading over the past few Coronavirus threads has really made me appreciate the truth of a quote from an iconic movie villain.

    "You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other." - The Joker


  • #299
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No
    It was an opinion on response

    You're not making sense. Justlike the fg strategy on this crisis.


  • #300
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    bekker wrote: »
    An informed course of action.
    Glad to hear it! Could you perhaps give an example?

    (Given that you've just taken away the tests from people who are symptomatic, more vulnerable, and have been in contact with confirmed cases, and thus limited the ability to effectively treat some of these cases, I assume you have something resembling an intelligent idea in mind.)


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  • #301
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Close contact is defined as 15 mins within 2 metres of those people
    He did none of that
    I'm presuming he washes his hands and did so in the states and followed all guidelines
    Ergo if he has no symptoms, theres no point wasting a test kit
    Please do a just bit bit more research on aerosol transmission distance and persistence.

    You do know about asymptomatic transmission?


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