CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

nc6000 · 22-03-2020 01:32AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Its so strange...such a simple solution...a little island with,what? 3 or 4 airports and 3 or 4 ports?..this virus could have been easily contained if we had a leader who gave a fcuk about the country and its people,instead of wearing fancy socks and looking for a cushty job in the EU after retirement.

That's a stupid stupid comment. Should we have shut the country down weeks ago and stopped people who live here coming back home?

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 01:32AM

Xertz wrote: »

The tragedy here is *nobody* seems to have seen the seriousness of this until it was too late:

1. China - initially saw it as a doctor trying to cause 'trouble' and had him arrested and harassed. He was right and is now dead and the outbreak happened.
2. European countries all seemed to think this was something that could only happen in 'far away lands' and that it was impossible in Europe due to our advanced medical care and so on... Italy gets wiped out.
3. USA takes more or less the same attitude and has exceptionalist notions. I saw some guy on CNN wandering off into how outcome in the US would be better and almost implying that the Italian healthcare system, which is extremely high tech and well resourced, was somehow massively different to the American one.

Everyone step by step failed to realise how serious this was and didn't react quickly enough.

There's a whole lot of could have, should have and hindsight. The reality is none of us, not China, not the EU, not the US were prepared for a pandemic.

If only these countries had the "I Told You So's" and the "Captain Hindsights" of Boards.ie in their ranks. There'd be no pandemic at all. Everything would be solved.

What a shame.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:32AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Didn't Israel close their borders early on?
They still increasing cases.

At what rate?

Xertz · 22-03-2020 01:33AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

What were they thinking?

I don't know what they were thinking but the same pattern was repeated all over the world. Pulling the lever to disrupt the entire economy and aviation sector seems to have been a huge risk so they didn't until it was too late.

I'm not excusing it, I'm just explaining it.

The answer is quite simply no administration took this threat seriously. It was always seen as a sci-fi scenario or some kind of extreme of extremes. Even people studying Coronaviruses were apparently seen as a 'bit obsolete' by some as the group of viruses involved were seen as a minor risk or no threat.

Those who did highlight this as a risk over the years were often dismissed or seen as scaremongering or were sort of on the edge of public health / health science and not taken all that seriously.

Basically, most of the world (and that includes China) did not think this was a significant possibility.

You'll find the majority of the focus of national security in recent decades has been on counterterrorism and things like cyber security, which were seen as live threats. Something like this was, to most, in the realms of sci-fi.

However, we are where we are and we have to now deal with it.

It basically comes down to the fact that humans are very poor at assessing risk and probability. There are actually studies into this!

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 01:34AM

Do people here think Coronavirus will be with us indefinitely for the rest of our lives even with a vaccine?

16,000 die annually from the Flu in Italy. That's 300 a week.

1000s still die of cancer, 1000s still die of AIDS, usually in poor countries.

I think some people who think once a vaccine will be introduced and we'll all be saved need to think again. It will certainly reduce the numbers of deaths but it still will be another crappy illness we'll have to put up with for the rest of out lives that may kill us.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:34AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Indeed Sir. But perhaps worst of all is the total absence of comment from our so-called media on this. What are these journalists being paid to do? The only thing they seem worried about is the northerners not having closed their schools and pubs the same time we did.

All the while there's thousands of people from all over the World emptying into Dublin Airport!

Just curious, do you have travel figures?
Post is still going on, post travels in the belly of commercial airlines.
The airlines get paid for that.
If the airlines cancel a flight they have to pay compensation, so if nobody turns up, they gain financially flying an empty airline. So just give a source saying these flights are full or infected people.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:35AM

Xertz wrote: »

I don't know what they were thinking but the same pattern was repeated all over the world. Pulling the lever to disrupt the entire economy and aviation sector seems to have been a huge risk so they didn't until it was too late.

I'm not excusing it, I'm just explaining it.

The answer is quite simply no administration took this threat seriously. It was always seen as a sci-fi scenario or some kind of extreme of extremes. Even people studying Coronaviruses were apparently seen as a 'bit obsolete' by some as the group of viruses involved were seen as a minor risk or no threat.

Those who did highlight this as a risk over the years were often dismissed or seen as scaremongering or were sort of on the edge of public health / health science and not taken all that seriously.

Basically, most of the world (and that includes China) did not think this was a significant possibility.

You'll find the majority of the focus of national security in recent decades has been on counterterrorism and things like cyber security, which were seen as live threats. Something like this was, to most, in the realms of sci-fi.

However, we are where we are and we have to now deal with it.

It basically comes down to the fact that humans are very poor at assessing risk and probability. There are actually studies into this!

Good post Sir.

interlocked · 22-03-2020 01:35AM

QUOTE=ThomasFlynn;112911045]The USA has a population 5-6 times of many countries in Europe. By definition it should have 5-6 times the number of infected cases. If you look at number of cases per million the USA is on 79, whereas Spain is 545, Italy 886, Germany 267 etc.

Trump will be blamed for this no matter what, and absolutely he deserves some criticism, but the US aren't doing any worse than some countries in Europe, I'd argue they're doing better than the UK with 75 million now under lockdown, closing schools much earlier. Their mortality rate is also quite good for its population so far. He didn't engage in nonsense herding like Boris did. If Trump deserves blame so do a lot other world leaders therefore.

And anyone who thinks if a democrat were in charge and would've avoided the stock market collapsing, a recession and huge job losses are no more than a partisan hack. That doesn't mean Trump is the right man for the crisis right now, far from it, I'm not confident in him either.

The reason that the US is about to get reamed is because they have this pathological liar as their leader. This is what he posted TWO WEEKS AGO

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
2:47 pm · 9 Mar 2020·Twitter for iPhoneDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 01:36AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

At what rate?

30% a day but don't let that get in the way of your close the borders narrative

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 01:36AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

At what rate?

A lot recently, almost 200 new cases today, approaching 1000 now

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 01:36AM

Xertz wrote: »

The tests aren't 100% accurate and couldn't be. They're useful and inactive but that's all. People are getting diagnosed with COVID-19 systems in quite a few countries based on symptoms who've come back with negative tests and then subsequently turn out to actually have it.

They're only as good as they can be. That's not some kind of conspiracy theory, but you will get a % of false negatives in this kind of testing if they're just a one-off test.

The majority of those who are coming forward with symptoms they suspect are COVID-19 and test as negative are likely to be suffering from normal colds, flus and other random resp infections etc.

All I'm saying is if you do have symptoms self-isolate anyway. It's a nasty virus and it needs to be kept under control.

If you've symptoms stay indoors regardless until they're fully gone.

If you test negative in the 1st week but get worse in the 2nd week of self isolation (2 weeks - 14 days) then is a 2nd test done?

The more I am reading about it the more confused I am getting

22-03-2020 01:37AM

threeball wrote: »

If that's true there's something seriously wrong there. It's not replicated anywhere else. Not even a suggestion

Italian society is characterised by multi-generational living under the one roof. They are being absolutely hammered as a consequence of this (infected younger members of families are passing it on to their elders).

https://www.wired.com/story/why-the-coronavirus-hit-italy-so-hard/amp

mmclo · 22-03-2020 01:37AM

Murts-Rig wrote: »

The US is riddled with it. In a few days they will get hit with the exponential back log what has been building up. Then, 10 - 14 days later, the death toll will start ratcheting up accordingly

Just as well Trump blocked all our flights!

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 01:37AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Indeed Sir. But perhaps worst of all is the total absence of comment from our so-called media on this. What are these journalists being paid to do? The only thing they seem worried about is the northerners not having closed their schools and pubs the same time we did.

All the while there's thousands of people from all over the World emptying into Dublin Airport!

Money!!

Its all about the money.

From journalists to politicians every one of them has finances on the brain...the rest of us are worried about each other while these cretins are only interested in making money off this(media hype) or saving their money(elected politicians).
No doubt the longer this goes on the more Joe Soap is going to have to pay for it...Leo and his ilk wont suffer a cent

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 01:38AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Do people here think Coronavirus will be with us indefinitely for the rest of our lives even with a vaccine?

16,000 die annually from the Flu in Italy. That's 300 a week.

1000s still die of cancer, 1000s still die of AIDS, usually in poor countries.

I think some people who think once a vaccine will be introduced and we'll all be saved need to think again. It will certainly reduce the numbers of deaths but it still will be another crappy illness we'll have to put up with for the rest of out lives that may kill us.

:eek:

Xertz · 22-03-2020 01:38AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If you test negative in the 1st week but get worse in the 2nd week of self isolation (2 weeks - 14 days) then is a 2nd test done?

The more I am reading about it the more confused I am getting

I'm honestly not sure, but if you test negative, and you have symptoms you should really continue to self isolate until it can be proven you don't have COVID-19.

Perhaps someone could clarify what the protocol is with the HSE at the moment.

It would seem logical that if the symptoms match, you assume the person is infected until at least a 2nd test proves otherwise.

The availability of tests (globally) has been challenging due to the speed and scale of this thing.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:39AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just curious, do you have travel figures?

Just check Dub Airport arrivals website.

Wolf359f wrote: »

Post is still going on, post travels in the belly of commercial airlines.
The airlines get paid for that.
If the airlines cancel a flight they have to pay compensation, so if nobody turns up, they gain financially flying an empty airline. So just give a source saying these flights are full or infected people.

Yes of course I can give a source saying these flights are full of infected people because that data has all been collected by our advanced quarantine and screening customs....

Dublin Airport is busy every day. Just pop up yourself and take a look at the people emptying from flights from everywhere you can think of.

This stuff isn't Quantum physics nor does it need detailed graphs and analysis. A pair of eyes in the head of a person with an IQ of 70+ is more than enough.

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 01:39AM

nc6000 wrote: »

That's a stupid stupid comment. Should we have shut the country down weeks ago and stopped people who live here coming back home?

Yours is a stupid comment...we cant stop our own citizens coming home but we can stop everyone else.
Much easier dealing with our own people coming home

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:40AM

wakka12 wrote: »

A lot recently, almost 200 new cases today, approaching 1000 now

That's interesting. I'll have to look into Israel.

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 01:40AM

interlocked wrote: »

QUOTE=ThomasFlynn;112911045]The USA has a population 5-6 times of many countries in Europe. By definition it should have 5-6 times the number of infected cases. If you look at number of cases per million the USA is on 79, whereas Spain is 545, Italy 886, Germany 267 etc.

Trump will be blamed for this no matter what, and absolutely he deserves some criticism, but the US aren't doing any worse than some countries in Europe, I'd argue they're doing better than the UK with 75 million now under lockdown, closing schools much earlier. Their mortality rate is also quite good for its population so far. He didn't engage in nonsense herding like Boris did. If Trump deserves blame so do a lot other world leaders therefore.

And anyone who thinks if a democrat were in charge and would've avoided the stock market collapsing, a recession and huge job losses are no more than a partisan hack. That doesn't mean Trump is the right man for the crisis right now, far from it, I'm not confident in him either.

The reason that the US is about to get reamed is because they have this pathological liar as their leader. This is what he posted TWO WEEKS AGO

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
2:47 pm · 9 Mar 2020·Twitter for iPhoneDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Yeah he's an idiot, but Bolsonaro also made similar comments and Bojo inacted herding along with saying people will have to put with their loved ones dying.

What he'll be judged on is how effectively he can flatten the curve and whether his stimulus package works. Trumps only one man, there's some smart people in his circle now like Dr.Fauci and Dr.Birx who are the ones really in charge of some of this now.

As I say anyone who really thinks a Democrat would've stopped the US from going into a recession or preventing Coronavirus coming to the US are nothing short of partisan hacks.

nc6000 · 22-03-2020 01:41AM

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:41AM

fritzelly wrote: »

30% a day but don't let that get in the way of your close the borders narrative

So you think keeping borders open and not trying to limit the spread is the correct course of action in the face of a highly contagious viral pandemic?

Xertz · 22-03-2020 01:43AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

It's mostly because the Germans seem to only categorise a death by COVID-19 as such if it was exclusively caused by COVID-19. If the patient had comorbidities which technically may have caused their death, and COVID-19 is just a contributing factor, then it seemingly wasn't recorded as a death by COVID-19.

There are all sorts of discrepancies and differences in how different countries are recording things.

It's not a coverup or lies, rather it's just how the data's being presented.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 01:44AM

[QUOTE=Leo and his ilk wont suffer a cent[/QUOTE]

Financially, no. But I believe Leo and Simon Coveney have the best of the country at heart and I think any and all deaths, they will feel guilty for and it will affect them, as it will all of us.
I don't think they are heartless politicians.
Leo's speech on Paddy's day, I couldn't do without tearing up.
Simon Coveney did seem genuinely rattled and shocked giving press conferences/interviews earlier on.
And no I didn't vote for them, they done a horrid job in government.

22-03-2020 01:44AM

trumptheman wrote: »

Germany has a history of keeping deaths secret.

So have the uk

Cork Boy 53 · 22-03-2020 01:44AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

Yes lies. The true death toll has to be far higher than that.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 01:45AM

https://vitaliyhayda.s3.amazonaws.com/coronavirus2.html
If current growth persists there will be over 1 million cases worldwide by 31st March
And almost 100 million by the end of April

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 01:45AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

Apparently they use different criteria for determining cause of death. In other words if someone already had a condition, then contracted the virus and died they might put down the original condition plus complications as the cause of death. At least that's what I heard although could be wrong.

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 01:45AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Can anyone suggest a reason for the relatively small number of deaths in Germany compared to their number of confirmed positives and the size of their population?

Germany currently has 22,213 recorded positives and 84 deaths while the UK has had 233 deaths from 5,067 cases.

They minimised the problem earlier and people did what they were asked to do, i.e. not go outside and congregate in groups unnecessarily.

Britain, meanwhile, had a government that was saying sure it's grand, let 60% of the population catch it miraculously we'll get "Heard Immunity" somehow.

It was only when it was pointed out that around 250,000 people could die that they changed tac.

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 01:45AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

So you think keeping borders open and not trying to limit the spread is the correct course of action in the face of a highly contagious viral pandemic?

Doesn't matter the 30% infection rate increase is fairly standard across all countries. Even Madagascar now has infections

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