CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

sudzs · 22-03-2020 02:22AM

Xertz wrote: »

Could be flu (still end of flu season albeit almost over), various colds, random upper respiratory infections (plenty of those), allergies ... or tests giving false negatives.

no

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2020 02:22AM

Xertz wrote: »

Could be flu (still end of flu season albeit almost over), various colds, random upper respiratory infections (plenty of those), allergies ... or tests giving false negatives.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 02:23AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

and yet there's people on here convinced half the country has it

When you hear about people waiting on tests on here, they swear they have it. Guess the statics are they may not.

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 02:24AM

Westernyelp wrote: »

Yes. so what makes you think the US is doing well? numbers are staring to rocket over there. they did not take it seriously in time and their leader is nuttier than a squirrel sh!te.

A lot of countries didn't take it seriously, hence why cases and deaths for all countries outside East Asia are growing exponentially. Italy didn't, Spain didn't, the UK tried purposefully to actually make it worse.

The only countries who can hold their heads high are during this crisis are China (if you believe the numbers), South Korea especially, and Japan. We'll see in a few months time which European governments handled it better in comparison, Ireland might be doing OK, certainly compared to the UK anyway and that herding bull****.

Trump isn't the only world leader who's been caught on their heels with regards to this. Doesn't mean he should be anywhere near the White House but the way some people talk about this is as if he's only world leader screwing this up. Its a worldwide pandemic ffs.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:24AM

London is fast becoming an epicentre for this. How many flights do we have to and from there every day?

Deisekickboxing · 22-03-2020 02:24AM

Few thoughts on this
Beware of footware easiest way to bring it indoors leave at the front door not street spraying in Asia for the craic

Best Wear a mask for safety all the Chinese and Koreans are not wearing them for fun either

All the Hawks profiteering on donedeal and adverts off masks should have their stocks
Seized cab style and handed to hospitals that are running low

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 02:24AM

sudzs wrote: »

no

Look at the quoted post to get the point of the post

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The test isn't 100% positive - needs enough viral load to be detected

Xertz · 22-03-2020 02:25AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The tests aren't 100% accurate and couldn't be. They're useful and inactive but that's all. People are getting diagnosed with COVID-19 systems in quite a few countries based on symptoms who've come back with negative tests and then subsequently turn out to actually have it.

They're only as good as they can be. That's not some kind of conspiracy theory, but you will get a % of false negatives in this kind of testing if they're just a one-off test.

The majority of those who are coming forward with symptoms they suspect are COVID-19 and test as negative are likely to be suffering from normal colds, flus and other random resp infections etc.

All I'm saying is if you do have symptoms self-isolate anyway. It's a nasty virus and it needs to be kept under control.

If you've symptoms stay indoors regardless until they're fully gone.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 02:26AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

If ~4% of tests in Ireland are proving positive.... what are the other 96% suffering from?
Phantom symptoms?
In a way I'm glad the government didn't give more accurate locations of those infected, if I was close to them and I had a cough, I'd be looking to get tested.
Don't touch your face.... how many people here just want to touch their face?
Christ, I have a shower and rub my face, it's such a relief. Gone are the days masturbating in the shower and feeling bad!

Many of the 96% will be asymptomatic contacts of confirmed infected people being tested as precautions. But yes Im sure at least 50% of them are hypchondriacs with vaguely COVID 19 symptoms and perhaps a travel history to an affected area

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:26AM

Xertz wrote: »

There's a whole lot of could have, should have and hindsight.

I don't know why people would need hindsight to recognise if a killer virus is spreading all over Italy, you immediately stop flights coming from that area. And that applies to the average Joe soap.

But for our supposed experts??? Its unfathomable why they did what they did.

What were they thinking?

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 02:26AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Keep going, CNN said 2 Trillion which is US $2,000,000,000,000

Sorry I meant to say 2 trillion, its a typo on my behalf.

The bigger the better, would be larger than the $787 billion in the 2008 financial crisis. Trump has to pass something massive if he has any chance of saving his presidency.

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 02:26AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Even worse, she didn't even have the sense to ask the experts why our borders are still wide open during a pandemic.

Its so strange...such a simple solution...a little island with,what? 3 or 4 airports and 3 or 4 ports?..this virus could have been easily contained if we had a leader who gave a fcuk about the country and its people,instead of wearing fancy socks and looking for a cushty job in the EU after retirement.

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 02:27AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

A lot of countries didn't take it seriously, hence why cases and deaths for all countries outside East Asia are growing exponentially. Italy didn't, Spain didn't, the UK tried purposefully to actually make it worse.

The only countries who can hold their heads high are during this crisis are China (if you believe the numbers), South Korea especially, and Japan. We'll see in a few months time which European governments handled it better in comparison, Ireland might be doing OK, certainly compared to the UK anyway and that herding bull****.

Japan not testing - we are not cancelling the Olympics...

eleventh · 22-03-2020 02:27AM

KiKi III wrote:

Why in the name of f*ck did you continue doing deliveries if you think you have the virus? Have you any idea how irresponsible that is?

As for your test, you have to be referred by a GP. If you're well enough to work and post on Boards, you can wait until Monday.

I'm absolutely astounded that you consider yourself well enough to work and yet seem to think you should take priority over sicker people?

lainey_D_123 wrote:

You're simultaneously so sick that you think you should take priority over incredibly ill people, and yet well enough to go doing deliveries to customers (which you should never have done if you even suspect you might have the virus)?

I'm sure the woman you spoke to got the measure of you and advised you accordingly.

If you really truly believe you are so severely ill that you won't survive the weekend, then call the emergency number for an ambulance.

Otherwise, isolate yourself at home and monitor your symptoms, like everyone else is doing.

Good God.

Is this the way it's going to be now? People shaming anyone for saying that they MIGHT have some symptoms but wasn't in a position to drop everything to isolate immediately?
It'll get to a point then where people won't want to say anything.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:28AM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

Best Wear a mask for safety all the Chinese and Koreans are not wearing them for fun either.

Harris said they're ineffective. So yeah, I think I'll invest.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 02:28AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Even worse, she didn't even have the sense to ask the experts why our borders are still wide open during a pandemic.

Didn't Israel close their borders early on?
They still increasing cases.

Monkeynut · 22-03-2020 02:28AM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1241466172308160521

Deisekickboxing · 22-03-2020 02:28AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

When you hear about people waiting on tests on here, they swear they have it. Guess the statics are they may not.

Or they may have it thousands from Spain Italy and Cheltenham returned last week their ilness start to kick off this weekend into next weekend
Hopefully the numbers stay under 3k for the sake of the hospitals

nc6000 · 22-03-2020 02:29AM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Sorry I meant to say 2 trillion, its a typo on my behalf.

The bigger the better, would be larger than the $787 billion in the 2008 financial crisis. Trump has to pass something massive if he has any chance of saving his presidency.

2 trillion is likely only the start too. I had to double check how many zeroes it was.

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 02:30AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Didn't Israel close their borders early on?
They still increasing cases.

Imagine how bad it would be if they didnt close them.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:31AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Its so strange...such a simple solution...a little island with,what? 3 or 4 airports and 3 or 4 ports?..this virus could have been easily contained if we had a leader who gave a fcuk about the country and its people,instead of wearing fancy socks and looking for a cushty job in the EU after retirement.

Indeed Sir. But perhaps worst of all is the total absence of comment from our so-called media on this. What are these journalists being paid to do? The only thing they seem worried about is the northerners not having closed their schools and pubs the same time we did.

All the while there's thousands of people from all over the World emptying into Dublin Airport!

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 02:31AM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

Or they may have it thousands from Spain Italy and Cheltenham returned last week their ilness start to kick off this weekend into next weekend
Hopefully the numbers stay under 3k for the sake of the hospitals

I understand that, but so far 4% of all tests are positive (I understand early on with tracing they would be testing anyone close to a confirmed case, so that % will differ) But now anyone with symptoms that they think is Covid-19 get tested but the majority prove negative.

nc6000 · 22-03-2020 02:32AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Its so strange...such a simple solution...a little island with,what? 3 or 4 airports and 3 or 4 ports?..this virus could have been easily contained if we had a leader who gave a fcuk about the country and its people,instead of wearing fancy socks and looking for a cushty job in the EU after retirement.

That's a stupid stupid comment. Should we have shut the country down weeks ago and stopped people who live here coming back home?

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 02:32AM

Xertz wrote: »

The tragedy here is *nobody* seems to have seen the seriousness of this until it was too late:

1. China - initially saw it as a doctor trying to cause 'trouble' and had him arrested and harassed. He was right and is now dead and the outbreak happened.
2. European countries all seemed to think this was something that could only happen in 'far away lands' and that it was impossible in Europe due to our advanced medical care and so on... Italy gets wiped out.
3. USA takes more or less the same attitude and has exceptionalist notions. I saw some guy on CNN wandering off into how outcome in the US would be better and almost implying that the Italian healthcare system, which is extremely high tech and well resourced, was somehow massively different to the American one.

Everyone step by step failed to realise how serious this was and didn't react quickly enough.

There's a whole lot of could have, should have and hindsight. The reality is none of us, not China, not the EU, not the US were prepared for a pandemic.

If only these countries had the "I Told You So's" and the "Captain Hindsights" of Boards.ie in their ranks. There'd be no pandemic at all. Everything would be solved.

What a shame.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:32AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Didn't Israel close their borders early on?
They still increasing cases.

At what rate?

Xertz · 22-03-2020 02:33AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

What were they thinking?

I don't know what they were thinking but the same pattern was repeated all over the world. Pulling the lever to disrupt the entire economy and aviation sector seems to have been a huge risk so they didn't until it was too late.

I'm not excusing it, I'm just explaining it.

The answer is quite simply no administration took this threat seriously. It was always seen as a sci-fi scenario or some kind of extreme of extremes. Even people studying Coronaviruses were apparently seen as a 'bit obsolete' by some as the group of viruses involved were seen as a minor risk or no threat.

Those who did highlight this as a risk over the years were often dismissed or seen as scaremongering or were sort of on the edge of public health / health science and not taken all that seriously.

Basically, most of the world (and that includes China) did not think this was a significant possibility.

You'll find the majority of the focus of national security in recent decades has been on counterterrorism and things like cyber security, which were seen as live threats. Something like this was, to most, in the realms of sci-fi.

However, we are where we are and we have to now deal with it.

It basically comes down to the fact that humans are very poor at assessing risk and probability. There are actually studies into this!

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 02:34AM

Do people here think Coronavirus will be with us indefinitely for the rest of our lives even with a vaccine?

16,000 die annually from the Flu in Italy. That's 300 a week.

1000s still die of cancer, 1000s still die of AIDS, usually in poor countries.

I think some people who think once a vaccine will be introduced and we'll all be saved need to think again. It will certainly reduce the numbers of deaths but it still will be another crappy illness we'll have to put up with for the rest of out lives that may kill us.

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 02:34AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Indeed Sir. But perhaps worst of all is the total absence of comment from our so-called media on this. What are these journalists being paid to do? The only thing they seem worried about is the northerners not having closed their schools and pubs the same time we did.

All the while there's thousands of people from all over the World emptying into Dublin Airport!

Just curious, do you have travel figures?
Post is still going on, post travels in the belly of commercial airlines.
The airlines get paid for that.
If the airlines cancel a flight they have to pay compensation, so if nobody turns up, they gain financially flying an empty airline. So just give a source saying these flights are full or infected people.

V8 Interceptor · 22-03-2020 02:35AM

Xertz wrote: »

I don't know what they were thinking but the same pattern was repeated all over the world. Pulling the lever to disrupt the entire economy and aviation sector seems to have been a huge risk so they didn't until it was too late.

I'm not excusing it, I'm just explaining it.

The answer is quite simply no administration took this threat seriously. It was always seen as a sci-fi scenario or some kind of extreme of extremes. Even people studying Coronaviruses were apparently seen as a 'bit obsolete' by some as the group of viruses involved were seen as a minor risk or no threat.

Those who did highlight this as a risk over the years were often dismissed or seen as scaremongering or were sort of on the edge of public health / health science and not taken all that seriously.

Basically, most of the world (and that includes China) did not think this was a significant possibility.

You'll find the majority of the focus of national security in recent decades has been on counterterrorism and things like cyber security, which were seen as live threats. Something like this was, to most, in the realms of sci-fi.

However, we are where we are and we have to now deal with it.

It basically comes down to the fact that humans are very poor at assessing risk and probability. There are actually studies into this!

Good post Sir.

interlocked · 22-03-2020 02:35AM

QUOTE=ThomasFlynn;112911045]The USA has a population 5-6 times of many countries in Europe. By definition it should have 5-6 times the number of infected cases. If you look at number of cases per million the USA is on 79, whereas Spain is 545, Italy 886, Germany 267 etc.

Trump will be blamed for this no matter what, and absolutely he deserves some criticism, but the US aren't doing any worse than some countries in Europe, I'd argue they're doing better than the UK with 75 million now under lockdown, closing schools much earlier. Their mortality rate is also quite good for its population so far. He didn't engage in nonsense herding like Boris did. If Trump deserves blame so do a lot other world leaders therefore.

And anyone who thinks if a democrat were in charge and would've avoided the stock market collapsing, a recession and huge job losses are no more than a partisan hack. That doesn't mean Trump is the right man for the crisis right now, far from it, I'm not confident in him either.

The reason that the US is about to get reamed is because they have this pathological liar as their leader. This is what he posted TWO WEEKS AGO

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
2:47 pm · 9 Mar 2020·Twitter for iPhoneDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

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