CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

is_that_so · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

No, it takes a while to get additional testing facilities up and running. People would be complaining if they weren’t accurate due to being rushed into operation.

There will be complaints when it has passed as to why we haven't had a case in x amount of time!

Gynoid · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

There are plenty of logical reasons to explain why people might express surprise at our numbers and I would say that disappointment would be really far down any list and reserved only for psychopaths. It is a strong thing to accuse another of, but very like the panic porn accusations in the earliest threads.

Reasons someone might be surprised include that many know of people who have been waiting quite a while for their test, we know that test supplies were dwindling and the testers were awaiting restocking of 35,000. We can some of us think that 35,000 tests arriving (arrived) this week to be followed by 20,000 the next week does not sound entirely adequate for requirements. We could look at European trajectories and wonder how we seem to be flattening while they curve in spite of reasonably similar social restrictions.
One could be scientifically in error wondering about those things but it does not a monster make.

Maybe, and hopefully, we are simply doing exceptionally, almost miraculously well.

owlbethere · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

When you think of it, it was the perfect environment to introduce that spark to. A nursing home with probably 100-300 residents and all the staff. Then the kicker, all the residents family and friends visiting in and out bringing it with it them, as well as staff

My God they hasn't a chance really

That lady has colleagues aged 45/50 years old in ICU ☹️

ParkRunner · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

Is there a rough idea out there how many results are pending here?

lbj666 · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I don’t care about the electorate. I didn’t vote FG. But the temporary Government and HSE are doing a good job.

Same here, it's still going to be thankless. No matter what happens good or bad public healthwise the detractors will be out in a few months spinning it whatever way it suits. It would take an absolute catastrophy in UK or Europe and not here for them to look good in the usual detractors eyes .

john_doe. · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

https://www.flightradar24.com/

Just curious why so many flight around Europe in middle of a pandemic !
Am missing something here.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

When you think of it, it was the perfect environment to introduce that spark to. A nursing home with probably 100-300 residents and all the staff. Then the kicker, all the residents family and friends visiting in and out bringing it with it them, as well as staff

My God they hasn't a chance really

Deaths at nursing homes and residents homes aren’t being counted towards the official numbers according to an Italian doctor on sky news which means the cases could be even higher than being recorded.

I was very saddened to see this has now spreading Africa. The people living there simply can’t keep social distance and don’t have the sanitation that we do due to living in poverty we can’t even comprehend.

I think that these countries will suffer the most with this. I feel very fortunate to live in a developed country and hope developing countries are given the help they need. They seem to be responding to it very aggressively which is good to see

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 08:47PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is there still a lot waiting on tests, surely with more test centres and kits, the waiting time would reduce greatly to 24 to 48 hours

More coming online in different parts of the country. Just takes time to get everywhere set up, but yes there should be a massive reduction when more and more test centres and labs come online

Loafing Oaf · 21-03-2020 08:48PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks just hitting 10k tested in Ireland now is appalling? After what,8 weeks?

Should we not be approaching the point where testing is beside the point? I mean the main point of testing is to identify people with the virus so they can self-isolate, but shouldn't most people be self-isolating as far as possible already?

2ndcoming · 21-03-2020 08:48PM

Re testing getting the swab is only half of it. It has to be sent to a lab and the virus activated with a buffer to expose itself.

On a positive note they have done more processing in the past 3 days than the previous weeks combined so the numbers are encouraging.

Duke of Url · 21-03-2020 08:48PM

Such a nice sight

https://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

JP Liz V1 · 21-03-2020 08:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ireland are doing really crap in the CV league, we need to step up, two bad days in a row!:D

This is one league I hope we get relegated

Rickytumtum · 21-03-2020 08:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If you're bad, do you have to wait for a positive to be brought to hospital? A week is too long.

To this and the other replies - he has been self isolating for about ten days. He couldn’t get tested first time around because he hadn’t been in contact with confirmed case. Then the criteria changed, so his GP has been trying since last Saturday. He didn’t feel good at all last week, feeling much better now but definitely not back to 100%.

Point is, if he has been in contact with people before self isolating, the guts of two weeks will have passed from that time and the time he gets results. The ship has sailed there. And that’s just one person.

Testing quickly is the absolute key and it is not being done fast enough.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 08:49PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Good point, they may not have results for some of them . Is that what you mean?

Each person may have 3 or 4 tests or more

Edit
Unless they are only counting a single test per person...

munsterlegend · 21-03-2020 08:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Again utter crap, every day is a normal day during this.

The suggestion that they are reducing staffing levels is bonkers. Again I know someone invovled in the labs. They literally work a shift go home sleep and go back in again, that's every day. Nobody is reducing at the weekend

I know someone as well. If numbers are of a similar level to today or lower on Tuesday/Wednesday I’ll be delighted but unfortunately I fear they won’t be.

jackboy · 21-03-2020 08:50PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

It seems very odd with more testing that numbers are going down. I would wait until Tuesday/Wednesday and see what numbers are like then.

I presume that the lab testers are not working 12 hours a day 7 days a week. So, there must be loads of new staff in the labs. These will not nearly be as efficient as the experienced staff, for a while anyway.

Also, if they are being properly trained by experienced staff, that will reduce efficiency of the experienced staff also.

Iscreamkone · 21-03-2020 08:50PM

It seems that there is a huge reduction in air pollution in China. This is due to the reduction in industrial output because of the cutbacks due to the outbreak.
It seems that over 1,000 people die in Ireland per annum directly as a result of air pollution.
Is it possible that the lives we save from reducing our air pollution will be more than the lives lost due to the coronavirus?
Could the outbreak of the coronavirus be actually saving lives worldwide?
Also, I wonder are road deaths down during this time?

NinjaTruncs · 21-03-2020 08:51PM

kingshankly wrote: »

Do you think today’s tested are getting their results today ðŸ™ˆðŸ™ˆ

No, what I think is there were less samples tested today compared to yesterday and that's why the number of positive tests is lower today.

rob316 · 21-03-2020 08:51PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks just hitting 10k tested in Ireland now is appalling? After what,8 weeks?

No, its only escalated in the last 4 weeks, if even that.

cameramonkey · 21-03-2020 08:51PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Good point, they may not have results for some of them . Is that what you mean?

Some test may not be through the system yet and some people may have been tested more than once, for example if you are recovering they may need to test you several times before you are deemed safe from infecting others.

iwillyeah1234 · 21-03-2020 08:52PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Germany and Israel are doing the same.

And South Korea.

South Korea ( and the Chinese did too , to be fair) - they publish the contact tracing to social media. Both the Chinese and South Korean governments even have apps that the public can use to see the contact trace geographically. Hardcore stuff , but it sure helps with avoidance and the public generally becoming more aware of the gravity of the situation.

CinemaGuy45 · 21-03-2020 08:52PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

It seems that there is a huge reduction in air pollution in China. This is due to the reduction in industrial output because of the cutbacks due to the outbreak.
It seems that over 1,000 people die in Ireland per annum directly as a result of air pollution.
Is it possible that the lives we save from reducing our air pollution will be more than the lives lost due to the coronavirus?
Could the outbreak of the coronavirus be actually saving lives worldwide?
Also, I wonder are road deaths down during this time?

WTF Jesus Christ.

munsterlegend · 21-03-2020 08:52PM

jackboy wrote: »

I presume that the lab testers are not working 12 hours a day 7 days a week. So, there must be loads of new staff in the labs. These will not nearly be as efficient as the experienced staff, for a while anyway.

Also, if they are being properly trained by experienced staff, that will reduce efficiency of the experienced staff also.

Yeah we don’t have an abundance of lab people. They couldn’t fill a load of posts recently so yes there is a shortage.

JP Liz V1 · 21-03-2020 08:52PM

john_doe. wrote: »

https://www.flightradar24.com/

Just curious why so many flight around Europe in middle of a pandemic !
Am missing something here.

I know you might lose money but why so many still went abroad once this started are idiots imho

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 08:53PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Some test may not be through the system yet and some people may have been tested more than once, for example if you are recovering they may need to test you several times before you are deemed safe from infecting others.

Theres no retest in the vast majority of cases after the initial positive test.
During your 14 day isolation after a positive result you must be symptom free for the last 5 days before being declared recovered.

Roger_007 · 21-03-2020 08:54PM

I cannot see why any relevance whatsoever is attached to the figure for the total number of cases. This figure is unknown and unknowable unless the entire population were being tested regularly.

The stats which are known and which can accurately measure the progress and impact of the disease are:-
the number of hospital admissions,
the number in ICUs,
the number on ventilators
the number of discharged, as recovered, from hospital and
the number of deaths.

Testing has limited use as an indicator of the presence of the virus in the general population. Only those who have significant symptoms or may have been exposed to someone who has already tested positive are being tested. Many people may have, or have had, the virus and have not been tested.
It will be a useful exercise, when this episode ends, to test large numbers of people for antibodies to see what percentage of the population actually had the virus.

iwillyeah1234 · 21-03-2020 08:54PM

john_doe. wrote: »

https://www.flightradar24.com/

Just curious why so many flight around Europe in middle of a pandemic !
Am missing something here.

It’s beyond me. We should have a 911 style shutdown by now.

sjb25 · 21-03-2020 08:55PM

Little bit of fun from lockdown in Spain

https://www.facebook.com/1281535127/posts/10222474292307705/?d=n

rossie1977 · 21-03-2020 08:55PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

It seems that there is a huge reduction in air pollution in China. This is due to the reduction in industrial output because of the cutbacks due to the outbreak.
It seems that over 1,000 people die in Ireland per annum directly as a result of air pollution.
Is it possible that the lives we save from reducing our air pollution will be more than the lives lost due to the coronavirus?
Could the outbreak of the coronavirus be actually saving lives worldwide?
Also, I wonder are road deaths down during this time?

Estimates are that up to 70,000 people in China won't die premature death due to air pollution in China in 2020.

john_doe. · 21-03-2020 08:55PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I know you might lose money but why so many still went abroad once this started are idiots imho

If look at internal flights in EU though this seems bizarre , are the people arriving being quarantined and put in hotels for 14 days.
Don't see how this cud be stopped when this amount of air travel is still going on.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP