CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

XsApollo · 21-03-2020 06:15PM

GM228 wrote: »

China built and opened a 1,000 person hospital in 8 days, lets see how long this takes:-

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1241404760986714118?s=19

China doesn’t have to worry about litigation, who gets paid, tax payers money, tendering and so fourth.
The reason they can build in 8 days is because they just order people and companies to build them and that’s that.

If you want that built quicker maybe you should get whatever equipment you have and go up and give them a hand?

Buer · 21-03-2020 06:16PM

harr wrote: »

How have Italy ****ed this up so bad .. surely with cases continuing to rise they are still doing something very wrong ? Are people still out and out interacting with each other ? I know they left a lot of the enforced isolation to late. But still crazy numbers so far into this.

Essentially. The head of the Red Cross in China was in Milan during the week meeting the authorities to lend his input. He was shocked by what he saw and was critical of the supposed lockdown. People still out without masks, public transport operating, people still having parties in hotels.

If they want to beat it, they need to go into actual lockdown. By Thursday, there had been 52,000 fines in Italy for people being out on the streets. They're still not taking the necessary measures as a society (I don't expect we will either, by the way).

is_that_so · 21-03-2020 06:17PM

harr wrote: »

How have Italy ****ed this up so bad .. surely with cases continuing to rise they are still doing something very wrong ? Are people still out and out interacting with each other ? I know they left a lot of the enforced isolation to late. But still crazy numbers so far into this.

They came at it far too late with too few measures. This is what happens when a health system is completely overwhelmed and as some Italian doctors have said decisions are being made on who lives and who dies.

bilston · 21-03-2020 06:17PM

Percentage of new cases in Italy is 12.2%, yesterday it was 12.7% and the day before it was 13.0%, please let this be the start of a trend.

I suppose they could be testing more people as well which would be a good thing.

Turtwig · 21-03-2020 06:17PM

harr wrote: »

How have Italy ****ed this up so bad .. surely with cases continuing to rise they are still doing something very wrong ? Are people still out and out interacting with each other ? I know they left a lot of the enforced isolation to late. But still crazy numbers so far into this.

Welcome to exponential growth. The lockdown is only a few weeks old. It takes 4 to 6 weeks for measures to show. Those measures will only delay the rate of growth hopefully creating a plateau. The numbers would remain consistent for some time. Then slowly with lots of optimism they will begin to fall. What's happened Italy this week was set in stone weeks ago.

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 06:18PM

943 added to the recovered list in Italy total is 6072 . It's worth keeping an eye on that too over the next few days

coolshannagh28 · 21-03-2020 06:18PM

sjb25 wrote: »

People no listening we have the same problem here ah sure will be fine we’ll lads hopefully it will be but there a chance it wont

Our strategy is the same as Italys .

Ohmeha · 21-03-2020 06:18PM

Lockdown here NOW if we want to avoid an Italy situation in a few weeks

otnomart · 21-03-2020 06:18PM

bekker wrote: »

If your really interested in details Cura Italia Decree 16.03.2020, translate provisions from Italian Govt site.

Financial details as the apply to business continuity etc, all over business finance advisory sites, especially US.

No idea of social protection details, not interested in wading through reams of detailed provisions.

Thanks !
There are articles in English about the Italian economy support measures in The Local and in CNBC

https://www.thelocal.it/20200318/coronavirus-the-financial-help-available-in-italy-and-how-to-apply

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/italy-supports-coronavirus-hit-economy-pm-hails-italian-model.html

France and Spain have also both adopted support measures for their economies:

https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-200-billion-euros-package-virus-downturn/

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-injects-billions-into-stimulus-plan-amid-coronavirus-chaos-bruno-le-maire-economic-catastrophe/

fr336 · 21-03-2020 06:19PM

The scariest thing in Italy is they locked down places in Lombardy very early on. Whereas the rest of us are still arsing about on bloody social distancing and a few closures. FFS Italy is going to be everyone! It is now too late.

wakka12 · 21-03-2020 06:19PM

I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy..maybe those accounts of creamtoriums in Wuhan running full speed 24/7 and the smell of burning bodies being overwhelming in the city were actually true, thought it was complete bull**** at the time

Quantum Erasure · 21-03-2020 06:19PM

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

Some American cam girls are doing quarantine discounts, it suits me fine

wait, you guys are paying?

bekker · 21-03-2020 06:20PM

Biomerica starts shipping finger-prick blood test samples for Covid-19

'Global biomedical technology company has started shipping the initial samples of its finger-prick blood tests for coronavirus (Covid-19) to countries outside the US.

Trained professionals at airports, schools, work, pharmacies and doctors’ offices can perform the new ten-minute IgG/IgM rapid test.'

This is still classified as experimental, but if we could get our hands on a quantity they could be used to conduct statistically valid random population sampling to establish extent of unreported spread. This baseline data is vital for valid decision making.

The faster we can establish the unreported spread, the better we will be placed to get back to increase economic activity at the earliest possible oppertunity.

silverharp · 21-03-2020 06:20PM

Pence is solid

Snow Garden · 21-03-2020 06:20PM

We'll need a more stringent 'lockdown' here fairly soon. There are still way too many people out and about and social distancing is being ignored by some.

My thoughts are the government have a threshold number of new cases which will trigger more enforced restrictions.

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 06:20PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Lockdown here NOW if we want to avoid an Italy situation in a few weeks

No because we implemented measures at the start of this. The Italians didn't until it was far too late. The uk is heading towards an italian situation if anything

is_that_so · 21-03-2020 06:21PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Our strategy is the same as Italys .

No, it's from WHO recommendations and more of an attempt to mirror S Korea. They maintain we moved early. The Italian public also helped make this a whole lot worse than it should be.

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 06:21PM

harr wrote: »

How have Italy ****ed this up so bad .. surely with cases continuing to rise they are still doing something very wrong ? Are people still out and out interacting with each other ? I know they left a lot of the enforced isolation to late. But still crazy numbers so far into this.

I don't think you can judge Italy for their efforts sitting at your home and looking at how many deaths they have, that's ridiculous.

You can have an opinion on something like how much they open their borders, you can't say "they're doing something very wrong" here.

fr336 · 21-03-2020 06:21PM

I thought at the start of this it was the government love of big business and the economy that was driving the reluctance to shut things down. It wasn't. It is because they know the vast majority of their populations are selfish and stupid and would barely accept the PR measures let alone an actual lockdown. Pampered, short termism, now now now western society. Don't blame the government's blame your neighbours.

igCorcaigh · 21-03-2020 06:22PM

Buer wrote: »

Essentially. The head of the Red Cross in China was in Milan during the week meeting the authorities to lend his input. He was shocked by what he saw and was critical of the supposed lockdown. People still out without masks, public transport operating, people still having parties in hotels.

If they want to beat it, they need to go into actual lockdown. By Thursday, there had been 52,000 fines in Italy for people being out on the streets. They're still not taking the necessary measures as a society (I don't expect we will either, by the way).

I think lockdown is coming here too. It has to.
Fining people for being outside is the only way to make people comply. Who could have thought it though, just a few weeks ago.

WhiteMemento9 · 21-03-2020 06:22PM

Trump about to go live.

Oops wrong link.

wadacrack · 21-03-2020 06:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Those Italian figures today are correct regarding deaths, but keep in mind of that number 546 are in Lombardy alone

That isint good news. Its peaking their but will spread to other regions

fly_agaric · 21-03-2020 06:22PM

GM228 wrote: »

Whatever about all that the fact they built from scratch, furnished, and opened a massive 1,000 person hospital in just 8 days is a very impressive feat.

Different systems, different failings.

The West is not coming well out of this.
An obsession with the needs & desires of business, greed, very poor leadership in key countries (cough, USA) etc. contributed to not taking the situation seriously enough even after evidence of what happened in China available.

Also public sector hollowed out in many Western countries due prevailing political/economic ideologies (always do more with less) & are probably going to be badly exposed with this crisis IMO.

It's funny seeing people calling for armies of rapid testers & contact chaser-uppers, hoardes of deasp/revenue minions to process claims & get them money yesterday, infinite extra hospital beds, guards & army running around forcing people to stay in. Where do they think it is all of that is going to be magicked up from?

cloudatlas · 21-03-2020 06:22PM

It's funny how they have no money for health services, now they have all the money for the health services.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-03-2020 06:23PM

Mike Pence and wife need to be tested, Pence staffs member infected

Movementarian · 21-03-2020 06:23PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy

You have to bear in mind though that China built 2 whole new hospitals to keep people alive. That seems to be absolutely key is availability of ventilators and beds.

Italys trahic situation seems to be as a result kf their existing hospitals just overwhelmed. Not every country has the resources to do what China did.

walshb · 21-03-2020 06:23PM

Pence on now. Referring to it as Corona virus. Missed Trump...still being an absolute pr1ck by referring to it as Chinese?

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 06:24PM

wadacrack wrote: »

That isint good news. Its peaking their but will spread to other regions

Well no, seeing as they now have a strict lockdown. It's already spread nothing was done in Italy until it was out of control.

As has been said over and over, they'll need 2-3 weeks of strict lockdown before anyone can see results now

BorneTobyWilde · 21-03-2020 06:24PM

Surely they'd need to retest Trump considering he'd standing next to Pence and shaking his hand.

An Ri rua · 21-03-2020 06:24PM

batman_oh wrote: »

And they also tried to hide the virus and discredit people saying it was spreading. Hardly a model case seeing as that's where all this started. Bit their broken system did let them lock down the country in a way that others will struggle to follow.

Holy Covid19 Batman, that's just bat sandwich crazy! And correct.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP