CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

skellig_rocks · 21-03-2020 08:38AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Look at my post on 6728. It outlines every single one of Trumps lies. Mistruths. Refusal to take WHO tests as he was developing his own. Publicly promising millions of test to be available but never materialised. Declaring that it was fully contained and down to zero which meant people were not socially distancing and exposing themselves to infection without their knowledge.

I did not comment about his other lies. I was only adding a bit of context related to his "Chinese virus" comment.

joeguevara wrote: »

Again you deliberately remove blame from Trump. Ok put it this way, if Bejing said that the US Army manufactured the virus. How many Americans were attacked.What impact did it have on fcucking anything. Tell me. Now, as I have asked before what impact does it have on US Asians, and indeed Asians all over the world.

Again I never supported his choice of words. But I understand why he uses it. His objective is to make Beijing stop the allegations. May be it is ugly, but what else can he do?

joeguevara wrote: »

Honestly, if the allegation was made (which I haven’t seen) about the US army, the US army have done a lot worse. What makes it even more strange, is if you are Chinese, do you not care about the impact on US Asians including Chinese. What hard0n do you have for the US Army?

To be honest I feel shameful my native country would used such tactic to deflect their domestic blame to US. And a lot of people in China are buying into "US Army" theory. This is how scary "1984" style (Full controlled Internet, no independent press, real time mobile phone tracking, CCTV everywhere, patriotic education from primary education) propaganda machine can do to their population. If China can get away with this crisis, same mistakes will happen again and again (remember SARS only 18 years ago and they were saying they would ban wildlife animal trade). I want to see more transparent, accountable, responsible China, which would benefit their citizens and the world. I don't think blaming US Army would achieve better China.

whisky_galore · 21-03-2020 08:38AM

enricoh wrote: »

How long are the pubs and clubs being told to close for anyone know? Or was it just until further notice? Thanks

As long as it takes.
Find yourself another hobby.

21-03-2020 08:40AM

enricoh wrote: »

How long are the pubs and clubs being told to close for anyone know? Or was it just until further notice? Thanks

Until further notice.

Do you have one or two of those drawers or presses. You know the ones where you fire absolutely every piece of crap in to? To take your mind off the grog, you could tackle those drawers.

That’s my plan anyway for some day soon.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 08:41AM

peddlelies wrote: »

All the controversy of horrible internet videos of murders and torture, the worst thing I ever seen was dogs being skinned alive for their fur at Chinese markets. I'll never forget it, it makes me extremely angry.

It's not a slight on the majority of decent Chinese people but their commi government continues to ignore animal abuse.

While I am also disgusted by this it is important to understand the sheer poverty that lead to these type of markets existing. I’m not defending them at all but it’s important to understand the level of poverty some people experienced in China in the 1970’s that resulted in this type of trade. It is also only a minority of people who consume these products.

If there is any silver lining to this it will be the laws being introduced to ban wildlife trade for food consumption. This is also due to extend to cats and dogs ( so I have heard on news channels reporting this). This is very good progress for a country that currently has ZERO animal welfare standards.

We also need to address the animal abuse happening on our on shores - industrial factory farming of pigs and chickens is very cruel, if you stepped into a typical pig farm you’d never touch it again.

We ALL need to think about our food and choices of how we live.

enricoh · 21-03-2020 08:42AM

sjb25 wrote: »

Somebody in the DTs??

Ha, no just concerned my local will pull the plug if they've to close for 6 months or something like that

Kidchameleon · 21-03-2020 08:43AM

circadian wrote: »

That's twice now I've seen you mention this US Army allegation, I've never seen it anywhere except your posts.

enricoh · 21-03-2020 08:45AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

All your missing is "asking for a friend "

One of my mates did ask me! But I'm actually asking for myself!

otnomart · 21-03-2020 08:45AM

greenfield21 wrote: »

all cases in Italy came from the Baveria case??. I find that hard to believe...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21350013

Yes

Key points:

a decent fraction (10/43) of sequenced viruses sampled after Feb 1 belong to a particular genetic lineage
This lineage contains viruses sampled from Germany, Switzerland, Finland, Italy, Brazil and Mexico
At the base of this lineage lies the sample Germany/BavPat1/2020. This was "patient 1" in Bavaria who was infected by a business colleague visiting from China.

Incredibly, it appears that this cluster containing Germany/BavPat1/2020 is the direct ancestor of these later viruses and thus led directly to some fraction of the widespread outbreak circulating in Europe today

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1235104921260675072

Achasanai · 21-03-2020 08:47AM

I know being hospitalised in the US can be a very expensive business, does this apply if you require hospitalisation for having COVID-19?

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 08:49AM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

Look at my post on 6728. It outlines every single one of Trumps lies. Mistruths. Refusal to take WHO tests as he was developing his own. Publicly promising millions of test to be available but never materialised. Declaring that it was fully contained and down to zero which meant people were not socially distancing and exposing themselves to infection without their knowledge.

I did not comment about his other lies. I was only adding a bit of context related to his "Chinese virus" comment.

joeguevara wrote: »

Again you deliberately remove blame from Trump. Ok put it this way, if Bejing said that the US Army manufactured the virus. How many Americans were attacked.What impact did it have on fcucking anything. Tell me. Now, as I have asked before what impact does it have on US Asians, and indeed Asians all over the world.

Again I never supported his choice of words. But I understand why he uses it. His objective is to make Beijing stop the allegations. May be it is ugly, but what else can he do?

To be honest I feel shameful my native country would used such tactic to deflect their domestic blame to US. And a lot of people in China are buying into "US Army" theory. This is how scary "1984" style (Full controlled Internet, no independent press, real time mobile phone tracking, CCTV everywhere, patriotic education from primary education) propaganda machine can do to their population. If China can get away with this crisis, same mistakes will happen again and again (remember SARS only 18 years ago and they were saying they would ban wildlife animal trade). I want to see more transparent, accountable, responsible China, which would benefit their citizens and the world. I don't think blaming US Army would achieve better China.

Either you are trolling or you just cannot answer a question. Every time I ask about the impact on US Asians you deflect to talking about something I never asked. I’m done.

ZX7R · 21-03-2020 08:52AM

enricoh wrote: »

Ha, no just concerned my local will pull the plug if they've to close for 6 months or something like that

Only my opinion looking at the way things are going at the moment,
If we flatten the curve end of April before we will see any relation of things if at all before may

Jin luk · 21-03-2020 08:55AM

During the 1918 pandemic young people was a big fatality,

Was that like that from the the very start of it or did this start to happen after high numbers were infected and hospitals and field hospital were overcrowded??

ShyMets · 21-03-2020 08:56AM

enricoh wrote: »

How long are the pubs and clubs being told to close for anyone know? Or was it just until further notice? Thanks

6 weeks minimum before they reopen and that's being optimistic

tony1980 · 21-03-2020 08:56AM

The all Spanish flu was given that name as the Spainish media was the only media at the time allowed the freedom to report everything, unlike all other countries whose Govt didn't want the public to panic, etc and they had huge numbers infected and high death rates but in reality, all other countries did too but it just wasn't been reported.

amadangomor · 21-03-2020 08:56AM

Will be interesting if any of the hardmen who were posting about being in the pub last weekend will post here if they happened to pick up something more than a dose of the Guinness scitters.

skellig_rocks · 21-03-2020 08:56AM

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

Look at my post on 6728. It outlines every single one of Trumps lies. Mistruths. Refusal to take WHO tests as he was developing his own. Publicly promising millions of test to be available but never materialised. Declaring that it was fully contained and down to zero which meant people were not socially distancing and exposing themselves to infection without their knowledge.

I did not comment about his other lies. I was only adding a bit of context related to his "Chinese virus" comment.

joeguevara wrote: »

Again you deliberately remove blame from Trump. Ok put it this way, if Bejing said that the US Army manufactured the virus. How many Americans were attacked.What impact did it have on fcucking anything. Tell me. Now, as I have asked before what impact does it have on US Asians, and indeed Asians all over the world.

Either you are trolling or you just cannot answer a question. Every time I ask about the impact on US Asians you deflect to talking about something I never asked. I’m done.

Can we Chinese people have a time machine and go back to 13 March and warn Trump about the impact? It is done, it is unfortunate, maybe it is the price we Asian people have to pay for China/US playing politics.

The only way discrimination will not happen again in the future is make sure China don't make the same mistake again. (I was laughed at Dublin in 2003 during SARS crisis, long before Trump was the US president)

tony1980 · 21-03-2020 08:58AM

Jin luk wrote: »

During the 1918 pandemic young people was a big fatality,

Was that like that from the the very start of it or did this start to happen after high numbers were infected and hospitals and field hospital were overcrowded??

The second wave was the worst. It affected mostly young but the second wave was the worst. Interestingly, San Francisco was the only City to listen to advice from the Public Health experts and prepared for it and got through it basically unscathed. When it finished, they all went back to daily life and it was forgotten about and then a third wave came and hit them bad.

TheValeyard · 21-03-2020 08:59AM

Jin luk wrote: »

During the 1918 pandemic young people was a big fatality,

Was that like that from the the very start of it or did this start to happen after high numbers were infected and hospitals and field hospital were overcrowded??

Part of it was caused by the end of war parties and celebrations. Large groups of people together spread the virus very quickly.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 09:00AM

obi604 wrote: »

Ah would you stop and get in the real world. My 4 year old bloody gets it. She really wants to play with her friends and go to play centres, play dates, school, to the park, playground, see grandparents etc.

Even the other day 1 child was outside playing on her own and the 4 year old goes “I know I can’t go out and play with X because of the corona virus” etc.

She is 4 and gets it

I think you need to think beyond your own circumstances. A 4 year old is easier to manage then a teenager in a lot of ways. Firstly, they won’t be unsupervised so this alone means it is easier to control social distancing. I’m not saying kids don’t understand it but they don’t understand the consequences of not social distancing the way adults do - lack of ventilators, economy, collapse in health care system. And some parents are NOT stopping play dates, playgrounds, mixing with other kids.

Are you honesty telling me you think all teenagers are responsible enough to understand the seriousness of this situation? No they are not. It’s up to adults to set rules for them.

Do you think it’s responsible of parents expecting teenagers to remember at all times to social distance ? No it’s not - this is why teenagers should be at home and not out socialising in large groups.

You fail to see that perhaps your children and my children understand, to an extent, they need to social distance but there is no way most of them could be left to their own devices to do this.

Would you trust your four year old to remember at all times to adhere to strict social distancing with your supervision? no you wouldn’t so you take responsibility for your children and keep them away from other kids. This applies to a lot of teenagers too.

MOST people I know aren’t letting their teenagers mix with friends unsupervised. It is the parents responsibility to keep them out of groups and off the street and some are not. Some adults aren’t even adhering to the guidelines!

Some children also don’t have parental guidance due to patents simply not caring.

If people don’t comply parks and outdoor areas will start to be closed. If people don’t cop on this will be needed. We’ve been warned and eventually we will be told we must stay indoors if social distancing isn’t taken seriously by everyone

Jin luk · 21-03-2020 09:01AM

tony1980 wrote: »

The second wave was the worst. It affected mostly young but the second wave was the worst. Interestingly, San Francisco was the only City to listen to advice from the Public Health experts and prepared for it and got through it basically unscathed. When it finished, they all went back to daily life and it was forgotten about and then a third wave came and hit them bad.

Scary to think this could go on as long and become a killer to the young too,

In terms of timeline, were at the beginning of wave 1

Jin luk · 21-03-2020 09:02AM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Part of it was caused by the end of war parties and celebrations. Large groups of people together spread the virus very quickly.

And our problem today is how easy it is to get from one side of earth to the other.

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 09:04AM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

Look at my post on 6728. It outlines every single one of Trumps lies. Mistruths. Refusal to take WHO tests as he was developing his own. Publicly promising millions of test to be available but never materialised. Declaring that it was fully contained and down to zero which meant people were not socially distancing and exposing themselves to infection without their knowledge.

I did not comment about his other lies. I was only adding a bit of context related to his "Chinese virus" comment.

Can we Chinese people have a time machine and go back to 13 March and warn Trump about the impact? It is done, it is unfortunate, maybe it is the price we Asian people have to pay for China/US playing politics.

The only way discrimination will not happen again in the future is make sure China don't make the same mistake again. (I was laughed at Dublin in 2003 during SARS crisis, long before Trump was the US president)

Do you hear yourself. ‘ The only way discrimination will not happen again in the future is make sure China don't make the same mistake again’. Many of US Asians have nothing got to do with fcucking China. They are born and raised in the US. They are US citizens. Pay US taxes. Have US children. Now, you are saying that the only way that these US people can not be discriminated against, by racist Americans after a moron US president specifically put them in the line of fire, is if China don’t make the same mistake again. Really scraping the barrel here.

peddlelies · 21-03-2020 09:08AM

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

blahblahblah

Why don't you feck off to the politics forum if you want to complain about Trump, this shíte is getting annoying. The poster you're quoting has been candid in his responses.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 09:09AM

tony1980 wrote: »

The all Spanish flu was given that name as the Spainish media was the only media at the time allowed the freedom to report everything, unlike all other countries whose Govt didn't want the public to panic, etc and they had huge numbers infected and high death rates but in reality, all other countries did too but it just wasn't been reported.

Yeah interestingly one theory is it started from a pig farm in Kansas and spread initially through military. It spread quickly due to over crowded conditions and people living in close proximity in army camps due to cold weather. It then spread through ports and train lines. I’m so grateful that children seem to be generally spared with Covid19. The fear of children suffering seriously from it would bring a whole different level of fear

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 09:11AM

Jin luk wrote: »

And our problem today is how easy it is to get from one side of earth to the other.

Yes with Spanish flu travel was limited but it’s not now

The One Doctor · 21-03-2020 09:11AM

Jin luk wrote: »

Scary to think this could go on as long and become a killer to the young too,

In terms of timeline, were at the beginning of wave 1

Ok, this is nonsense. Unless you have access to a time machine, you have no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Spanish flu and COVID 19 are not related to each other. Spanish flu happened at the birth of the science of virology, and COVID 19 is 102 years later. Please don't extrapolate one from the other.

You are just scaremongering if you do.

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 09:13AM

peddlelies wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

skellig_rocks wrote: »

Why don't you feck off to the politics forum if you want to complain about Trump, this shíte is getting annoying. The poster you're quoting has been candid in his responses.

Apologies. Agreed. I just have family in the US and it is so worrying. But it is irrelevant to this thread and it won’t happen again.

Jin luk · 21-03-2020 09:14AM

The One Doctor wrote: »

Ok, this is nonsense. Unless you have access to a time machine, you have no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Spanish flu and COVID 19 are not related to each other. Spanish flu happened at the birth of the science of virology, and COVID 19 is 102 years later. Please don't extrapolate one from the other.

You are just scaremongering if you do.

What is with people on this these days,

I said were at the beggining of the timeline not comparing them at all, would be silly too considering this is coronavirus and that was influenza. the last major pandemic was 1918 thats why its referred so often

Best thing for youre sort is to stop jumping down peoples throats whos trying to have an adult discussion.

kona · 21-03-2020 09:15AM

Macdarack wrote: »

There's a case that Spanish flu which killed between 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 people should be called kansas /American flu.

Theres also a case that it should be called chinese flu also.

peddlelies · 21-03-2020 09:16AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Apologies. Agreed. I just have family in the US and it is so worrying. But it is irrelevant to this thread and it won’t happen again.

I'm in the same boat, my brothers lives in Chicago and gone into lock-down.

Trump botched the handling of the breakout badly, we can all agree on that.

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