CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:42AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Can't help you any more I'm afraid. You can no longer say you've been asking the question and not getting an answer.

Have a good night.

Could you please expand? The purpose was to contain the virus as much as possible. You're saying that basic principle needed to be scrapped in case people didn't like the decision to ground flights.

So you end up with an infected population very rapidly.

How could that have been the correct decision then?

moby2101 · 21-03-2020 02:45AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

I think you're right... I think all of the worlds government's will throw everything at this in terms of lock down , quest for stabilising anti viral drugs but in 2-3 months will just start opening up society and economy's again otherwise the global economy will never recover.
Tragically 100 million are going to die but if we dont kickstart economies and living again it will be irreversible

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 02:45AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

What?!

That was an early excuse given for why they didn't stop hundreds of italians infesting the country after the rugby match was postponed to keep them out.

marilynrr · 21-03-2020 02:48AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

owlbethere wrote: »

That was the route Boris Johnson was going to take but I think it might have changed over the past day or two. News reports from today says London/London hospital is I trouble already.

It would never work here.

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

ETA: Just checked the transcript and he said "At a certain point… we will advise the elderly and people who have a long-term illness to stay at home for several weeks. We are putting in place the systems to ensure that if you are one of them, you will have food, supplies and are checked on.

We call this ‘cocooning’ and it will save many lives… particularly the most vulnerable… the most precious in our society."

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:51AM

paleoperson wrote: »

That was an early excuse given for why they didn't stop hundreds of italians infesting the country after the rugby match was postponed to keep them out.

That's right. Some excuse it was too when there's a rake of other EU states with their borders closed.

Coveney's actions will lead to the deaths of many people who otherwise would still be alive.

20silkcut · 21-03-2020 02:52AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Did you say the same thing about swine flu? Were you calling out Mexico/US then? Was eating pigs disgusting? What's disgusting to you may not be disgusting to someone else. This moralising over eating habits is so boring and hypocritical.

It’s not just eating habits in China. It’s hygiene and sanitation and their careless indifferent attitude to public health. Look up the Gutter oil industry in China. Google it. Look up the baby formula scandal in China. A lot of Chinese don’t give a damn about the health and well being of their fellow man. Historically the CCP have fostered this selfish attitude amongst Chinese people. It makes their position to preserve their power easier which is their ultimate consideration. Public health is way way down the agenda in China.

Larbre34 · 21-03-2020 02:55AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do we think the fact that we have rolling news and social media is making all this worse?

Say it kills 2.5 million over its lifespan. The Spanish flue killed between 50mill and 100mill.

Is this one so scary because we are hering about it ALL THE TIME?

No. You're missing the frame of reference here and I can understand why, its barely conceivable.

The Spanish Flu killed between 50 and 100 million, globally, in the three years from early 1918 to late 1920. The population of the Earth before it began was estimated at 1.9 billion people.

The figure I gave of 2.5 million deaths is the worst case scenario.......for Britain.

Depending on how far the genie gets out of the bottle as regards isolation measures, paused migration, maybe a vaccine within the year....potential global deaths will be between 250 and 400 million people.

250,000,000 - 400,000,000, or 5% of everyone alive today.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2020 02:56AM

marilynrr wrote: »

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

ETA: Just checked the transcript and he said "At a certain point… we will advise the elderly and people who have a long-term illness to stay at home for several weeks. We are putting in place the systems to ensure that if you are one of them, you will have food, supplies and are checked on.

We call this ‘cocooning’ and it will save many lives… particularly the most vulnerable… the most precious in our society."

All life is precious, but it's clear what Leo meant. Life also must go on.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 02:58AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone have their seeds planted by now?

https://twitter.com/hollyshortall/status/1240784286091030530

When ever I hear him speak I always think of this

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 02:59AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do we think the fact that we have rolling news and social media is making all this worse?

Say it kills 2.5 million over its lifespan. The Spanish flue killed between 50mill and 100mill.

Is this one so scary because we are hering about it ALL THE TIME?

The Spanish Flu caused fear as well you tosspot.

owlbethere · 21-03-2020 02:59AM

marilynrr wrote: »

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

That's what he said in his speech alright. How would something like that work though? Cocooning the vulnerable - what does he exactly mean by that?

Hiding away the elderly? What age does elderly kick in at?
The virus can attack even younger people with underlying conditions.

Leo was always a great man for speeches and that's about that. Good god, I can't stand him. A sizable portion of the country is following strict guidelines to slow the spread of this while cases are being imported daily in from flights. Where's the sense in that?

BLIZZARD7 · 21-03-2020 03:05AM

The Fed, BOE and now the ECB have just turned on potentially unlimited money taps - this is an economic experiment of unprecedented scale. I again worry we have forgotten the 1930's... although the alternative (increased taxation/austerity) would have led to the collapse of the EU.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0320/1124319-ursula-von-der-leyen-on-coronabonds/

21-03-2020 03:07AM

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-03-2020 03:09AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzb98tQp53I

MrMusician18 · 21-03-2020 03:11AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I apologise for the condescension Sir.

My frustration is because I've been asking for 6 weeks now why our borders remain wide open. All I'm met with here is guys telling me its obvious and even a child would know the answer yet when I ask them what that is they disappear!

Tell us why then.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2020 03:14AM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

The Fed, BOE and now the ECB have just turned on potentially unlimited money taps - this is an economic experiment of unprecedented scale. I again worry we have forgotten the 1930's... although the alternative (increased taxation/austerity) would have led to the collapse of the EU.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0320/1124319-ursula-von-der-leyen-on-coronabonds/

Creative thinking they just apply a 'reset'. Profit should not be a factor of this crisis.

spookwoman · 21-03-2020 03:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

At the rate it going tonight it may even pass italy's 5986

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 03:18AM

spookwoman wrote: »

At the rate it going tonight it may even pass italy's 5986

Oh that's for sure and very soon I would wager

BLIZZARD7 · 21-03-2020 03:19AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Creative thinking they just apply a 'reset'. Profit should not be a factor of this crisis.

Unfortunately it isn't this easy. Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if we hit 'reset' (we may have already inadvertently started that process) then the US dollar will collapse. And every other currency globally - that would just result in all out war...

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 03:21AM

Dunno if I should post this here or whether it should be in conspiracies...

He hasn't gone away - purely for entertainment purposes (tho a few here would probably agree with him and BJ's policy (before he did a u-turn) kinda aligned with what he does say )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTZu6_TjU8

I've no idea how this even came up in my suggested vids

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 03:25AM

Pwindedd wrote: »

I haven’t posted here much. But it’s been a great source of info, amusement in a crisis, and a study on human nature.

Still don’t know quite what to make of it all. I’ve seen a lot of genuine heartfelt compassion for others.

A lot of anger, despair and outrage - some deserved, some misdirected.

My overwhelming impression is that because we are all very different emotionally, intellectually and spiritually is that we have all reacted in very different ways. To expect everyone to just suddenly adopt the same thought process and attitude to the crisis is unrealistic. The majority have done their best to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable. The stragglers however (pub goers, group huggers, nose pickers/flickers et al) are going to need a firmer hand. We can direct our ire in that direction all we like - if it makes ya feel better then say it here and get it off your chest by all means - but let’s not make them entirely responsible. That doesn’t sit well with me at all.

The tougher restrictions will come if necessary. And that will just increase compliance and hopefully reduce spread.

My current lifestyle is actuality is not wildly different from my Pre-Covid one. Lucky me I guess.

Agree with you. You can’t leave it up to people to be responsible in a situation such as this. There is always non compliance and it is dangerous to other people. The most frustrating thing about no restrictions on travel is due to the fact we live on an Ireland we could have managed this much easier than most yet we still don’t have restrictions.

I haven’t been overly nervous about this but I now feel sad for what may happen in Ireland over the next few weeks. The lack of restrictions of people people travelling in and out of Ireland is astonishing. I would like to understand what the logic is for this as then maybe there is a reason? I just don’t understand what that reason is

Jimmy Garlic · 21-03-2020 03:25AM

Fear is the worst virus of all. The virus that makes people agreeable.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 03:31AM

paleoperson wrote: »

What's really tragic is that a lot of these "more valuable" younger people will be the same ones going around thinking they're invincible and causing the outbreaks in the first place.

It’s not just younger people. That may be more visible to you depending on where you are. I know or sports clubs , gyms etc still opening and are used mainly by adults. Again the government is latching onto one group - it’s not young people imo that need to be told - it’s their parents.

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this. I was 16 when Sep 11 happened, we just didn’t understand the significance of such an event. We knew that we had to walk over mats for the foot and mouth outbreak but again had no idea of the seriousness of it as it was ‘something bad that happened to cows’. We didn’t understand economy or other health issues. We just knew there were mats we had to use which was relatively easy to implement.

It’s irresponsible of parents to let this happen but ultimately the responsibility rests with the government.

They don’t assume people follow laws on roads for example, this is no different and needs to be policed. Imagine if they just asked everyone to stay within a speed limit for the greater good of community?

Most people will do this but there will always be people that won’t adhere to this and they are putting vulnerable people at risk. Not only are they doing that but they are putting others at risk that will need the health service over the coming months for unrelated Covid19 cases such as accidents and other emergencies . This is what they are not comprehending.

I saw adults opening defending a sports club being allowed to open today claiming that people can social distance while using it. These are people that I thought would have had more cop on - I don’t think any of them actually understand the seriousness of this so we can’t expect their children to either.

I am very proud of most people and how respectful and how much effort they are making with this. Shops, most businesses and most people I know are doing what has been asked. But the minority not doing it will likely result us being similar to Italy that we will not be able to go on walks etc like we can now.

I am starting to wonder are there big delays in testing and far more people are walking around with this than we know? I haven’t seen any figures for how many we have tested to date. Or how many people are waiting to be tested. Or how many are waiting for results.

Sam Quentin · 21-03-2020 03:33AM

We need to get over it and we need to be as one.... Yes we'll never forget the Italian Rugby fans being allowed to make use of their 'visit Ireland anyway tickets' and we'll never forget I don't give a f#@k 'we're all gonna die someday Cheltenham goers'... But let's continue with this SOCIAL DISTANCING and let's keep washing our hands. God Bless You All. Amen

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 03:34AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this.

Tripe.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 03:37AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

It is not fair for an adult to expect a teenager or child to comprehend the seriousness of this. I was 16 when Sep 11 happened, we just didn’t understand the significance of such an event. It’s irresponsible of parents to let this happen but ultimately the responsibility rests with the government.

All the gubbermints fault because they don't tell us parents how to control our kids

:rolleyes:

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 03:49AM

paleoperson wrote: »

Tripe.

My point is it is up to the parents to control their children. They should respect what they are being asked to do and keep their children away from other children. Do you really think a 13 year old will listen or even remember to social distance? The parents shouldn’t not expect this. The responsibility lies with the parents

pearcider · 21-03-2020 03:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

The Chinese lied to the world for months about the virus and how serious it was. That’s because they are a hideous communist regime where human lives means absolutely nothing in relation to the reputation of the communist party. Just like the Soviet Union and Chernobyl. This is 1984 people and you are worth less than an animal to communism.

They didn’t allow the WHO access until mid February when the outbreak was out of control with 5000 plus cases. They even had the temerity to accuse the United States of spreading fear by pulling its citizens out and severely restricting travel.

Washington has "unceasingly manufactured and spread panic," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters, noting that the WHO had advised against trade and travel curbs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/china-to-allow-in-u-s-health-experts-as-virus-shows-no-sign-of-slowing-idUSKBN1ZX00T

So Trump is not to blame. It’s the incompetence of the WHO and the idiotic Chinese communist party that are 100% to blame for this. They deserve to burn for this and I hope Trump continues to call them out.

trumptheman · 21-03-2020 03:55AM

My only fear of death is reincarnation.

I can remember in mind when I was alive in the 1930's during World War 2.

I can remember the famine.

I can remember around the 1790's working on a farm.

May God bless you all.

frillyleaf · 21-03-2020 03:56AM

fritzelly wrote: »

All the gubbermints fault because they don't tell us parents how to control our kids

:rolleyes:

This is unfortunate but if people aren’t complying with what they have been asked to do they will eventually be told what to do as this is serious.

The same could be seen when pubs were being asked to adhere to social distancing guidelines. Most were being responsible and doing their best. Most were sticking to guidelines as requested by the government. Many pubs were responsible enough to see they couldn’t manage the guidelines and didn’t want to risk staff and customers, they made tough decisions to close themselves as they felt it was for the greater good.

However a minority of pubs didn’t adhere to this - for example the pub in Temple Bar. Eventually the government asked all pubs to close on Sunday night.

This is the same with people and social distances. Most will thankfully comply but there is always a minority who won’t. That can’t see beyond themselves.

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