CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

joseywhales · 21-03-2020 02:33AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Any particular reason they think it stops at 70%?

I think it's the hope of hers immunity making the disease die out before the remaining 30% are infected

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:33AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Because it would be a monumental task to arrange this when the disease is already in the country and all efforts are going in to dealing with it right now, or preparing for the severity of what may happen.

Stopping flights coming into an island. How would that be a monumental task?

Tell me how wrote: »

And most importantly, the people who are managing this and deciding the best course of action do not feel it is worth doing at this point.

No and they didn't feel it was worth it at the beginning which was criminal.

Tell me how wrote: »

Also, if you started asking this question 6 weeks ago, then that would have been at a time when doing so would probably have been even more difficult to arrange and explain and would also lead to a precedence where every time WHO says we need to pay attention, people like you would be saying 'We should close the borders immediately'.

Again, how difficult could stopping flights be to arrange?

Explain? The explanation would've been clear. When the Italian outbreak began and they cancelled the rugby match they should've stopped all Italian flights. Its really not that difficult.

And yes! If a deadly contagious disease breaks out again I will, once again, be calling for the borders to be closed!!!

Tell me how wrote: »

And so what if something is difficult to arrange or explain I hear you ask, because there is a fine line between the population accepting something and rowing in behind the efforts (as is happening now) and thinking it is either ok to ignore it, or to go in to outright panic potentially leading to societal breakdown in places.

So stopping people flying to Italy (and monitoring other potential outbreak areas) would send the Country into such a panic that it was preferable to import the disease and spread it as quickly and as wide as possible?

I'm sorry but that makes zero sense to me.

kyote00 · 21-03-2020 02:34AM

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paleoperson wrote: »

Why I don't like Eamon Ryan even though I heavily support green policy, though I don't remember him ever being as dumb as this before.

owlbethere · 21-03-2020 02:35AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

That was the route Boris Johnson was going to take but I think it might have changed over the past day or two. News reports from today says London/London hospital is I trouble already.

It would never work here.

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:36AM

paleoperson wrote: »

You can't close the borders, it would unconstitutional!!! :rolleyes:

What?!

paddythere · 21-03-2020 02:36AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do we think the fact that we have rolling news and social media is making all this worse?

Say it kills 2.5 million over its lifespan. The Spanish flue killed between 50mill and 100mill.

Is this one so scary because we are hering about it ALL THE TIME?

2.5 million? Thats quite an optimistic estimate..Unless a vaccine can be found this could easily kill 50 million

Tell me how · 21-03-2020 02:37AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Stopping flights coming into an island. How would that be a monumental task?

No and they didn't feel it was worth it at the beginning which was criminal.

Again, how difficult could stopping flights be to arrange?

Explain? The explanation would've been clear. When the Italian outbreak began and they cancelled the rugby match they should've stopped all Italian flights. Its really not that difficult.

And yes! If a deadly contagious disease breaks out again I will, once again, be calling for the borders to be closed!!!

So stopping people flying to Italy (and monitoring other potential outbreak areas) would send the Country into such a panic that it was preferable to import the disease and spread it as quickly and as wide as possible?

I'm sorry but that makes zero sense to me.

Can't help you any more I'm afraid. You can no longer say you've been asking the question and not getting an answer.

Have a good night.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2020 02:37AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

You have lots of customers in their 90s and 100s? Where do you work?

The morgue.

TheCitizen · 21-03-2020 02:41AM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

He was talking about mental health and keeping hardware stores open. I think his point was if people or the elderly do have to self isolate, they’ll need something to do - painting , planting , diy in general to keep us all busy and sane.

Yeah I think it was a reasonable suggestion and as it turns out lots of people are doing exactly that while they’re off work, a bit of DIY around the house.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-03-2020 02:41AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1241170681104142338

Corkgirl20 · 21-03-2020 02:42AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

I don’t think the kids should be back in schools this soon. Schools will be closed for Easter anyway April 3rd to 19th. Kids are normally mildly affected by this virus. The week before schools closed I’d so many kids in my classroom sick with colds and coughs. If a child in my class had the virus it would be hard to tell from a sniffle. There is no keeping primary children apart from eachother I don’t have the tables nor space in my room. It would spread even further. If it was passed onto me , I live my sister and my who are nurses and my dad who’s almost 70. Me passing it onto any of them would be a disaster.

I know people have to go back to work and people are still working atm. But the thing about kids is they have minor symptoms, we won’t know who is infected or not.

Anyway hopefully after Easter we’ll be in a better situation.

In my opinion Ireland was going to have a recession soon anyway. I’d rather the force on saving lives. Our health system can’t hope if we go down the let’s carry on as normal route. More people would die , ICU beds would be filled with Co-Vid patients leaving less space to anybody with any other life threatening injury/illness.

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:42AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Can't help you any more I'm afraid. You can no longer say you've been asking the question and not getting an answer.

Have a good night.

Could you please expand? The purpose was to contain the virus as much as possible. You're saying that basic principle needed to be scrapped in case people didn't like the decision to ground flights.

So you end up with an infected population very rapidly.

How could that have been the correct decision then?

moby2101 · 21-03-2020 02:45AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

I think you're right... I think all of the worlds government's will throw everything at this in terms of lock down , quest for stabilising anti viral drugs but in 2-3 months will just start opening up society and economy's again otherwise the global economy will never recover.
Tragically 100 million are going to die but if we dont kickstart economies and living again it will be irreversible

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 02:45AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

What?!

That was an early excuse given for why they didn't stop hundreds of italians infesting the country after the rugby match was postponed to keep them out.

marilynrr · 21-03-2020 02:48AM

1882 wrote: »

Would a way out of this be to get the kids back to school and the adults back to work before the economy crashes like we've never seen before.
Order all the main at risk groups to self isolate and practice social distancing. Focus all our rescources at them to provide whatever they need. Realistically, how long can we live like this. Let us get back to work because the consequences for most of us will be far worse than catching a virus that will be mild for most.

owlbethere wrote: »

That was the route Boris Johnson was going to take but I think it might have changed over the past day or two. News reports from today says London/London hospital is I trouble already.

It would never work here.

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

ETA: Just checked the transcript and he said "At a certain point… we will advise the elderly and people who have a long-term illness to stay at home for several weeks. We are putting in place the systems to ensure that if you are one of them, you will have food, supplies and are checked on.

We call this ‘cocooning’ and it will save many lives… particularly the most vulnerable… the most precious in our society."

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 02:51AM

paleoperson wrote: »

That was an early excuse given for why they didn't stop hundreds of italians infesting the country after the rugby match was postponed to keep them out.

That's right. Some excuse it was too when there's a rake of other EU states with their borders closed.

Coveney's actions will lead to the deaths of many people who otherwise would still be alive.

20silkcut · 21-03-2020 02:52AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Did you say the same thing about swine flu? Were you calling out Mexico/US then? Was eating pigs disgusting? What's disgusting to you may not be disgusting to someone else. This moralising over eating habits is so boring and hypocritical.

It’s not just eating habits in China. It’s hygiene and sanitation and their careless indifferent attitude to public health. Look up the Gutter oil industry in China. Google it. Look up the baby formula scandal in China. A lot of Chinese don’t give a damn about the health and well being of their fellow man. Historically the CCP have fostered this selfish attitude amongst Chinese people. It makes their position to preserve their power easier which is their ultimate consideration. Public health is way way down the agenda in China.

Larbre34 · 21-03-2020 02:55AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do we think the fact that we have rolling news and social media is making all this worse?

Say it kills 2.5 million over its lifespan. The Spanish flue killed between 50mill and 100mill.

Is this one so scary because we are hering about it ALL THE TIME?

No. You're missing the frame of reference here and I can understand why, its barely conceivable.

The Spanish Flu killed between 50 and 100 million, globally, in the three years from early 1918 to late 1920. The population of the Earth before it began was estimated at 1.9 billion people.

The figure I gave of 2.5 million deaths is the worst case scenario.......for Britain.

Depending on how far the genie gets out of the bottle as regards isolation measures, paused migration, maybe a vaccine within the year....potential global deaths will be between 250 and 400 million people.

250,000,000 - 400,000,000, or 5% of everyone alive today.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2020 02:56AM

marilynrr wrote: »

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

ETA: Just checked the transcript and he said "At a certain point… we will advise the elderly and people who have a long-term illness to stay at home for several weeks. We are putting in place the systems to ensure that if you are one of them, you will have food, supplies and are checked on.

We call this ‘cocooning’ and it will save many lives… particularly the most vulnerable… the most precious in our society."

All life is precious, but it's clear what Leo meant. Life also must go on.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 02:58AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Everyone have their seeds planted by now?

https://twitter.com/hollyshortall/status/1240784286091030530

When ever I hear him speak I always think of this

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 02:59AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Do we think the fact that we have rolling news and social media is making all this worse?

Say it kills 2.5 million over its lifespan. The Spanish flue killed between 50mill and 100mill.

Is this one so scary because we are hering about it ALL THE TIME?

The Spanish Flu caused fear as well you tosspot.

owlbethere · 21-03-2020 02:59AM

marilynrr wrote: »

I thought that's what Varadkar was getting at in his speech, when he brought up cocooning. Didn't he say there was going to come a time where the vulnerable would be asked to stay inside and they were putting measures in place to allow that to happen? or did I misunderstand?

That's what he said in his speech alright. How would something like that work though? Cocooning the vulnerable - what does he exactly mean by that?

Hiding away the elderly? What age does elderly kick in at?
The virus can attack even younger people with underlying conditions.

Leo was always a great man for speeches and that's about that. Good god, I can't stand him. A sizable portion of the country is following strict guidelines to slow the spread of this while cases are being imported daily in from flights. Where's the sense in that?

BLIZZARD7 · 21-03-2020 03:05AM

The Fed, BOE and now the ECB have just turned on potentially unlimited money taps - this is an economic experiment of unprecedented scale. I again worry we have forgotten the 1930's... although the alternative (increased taxation/austerity) would have led to the collapse of the EU.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0320/1124319-ursula-von-der-leyen-on-coronabonds/

21-03-2020 03:07AM

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-03-2020 03:09AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzb98tQp53I

MrMusician18 · 21-03-2020 03:11AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I apologise for the condescension Sir.

My frustration is because I've been asking for 6 weeks now why our borders remain wide open. All I'm met with here is guys telling me its obvious and even a child would know the answer yet when I ask them what that is they disappear!

Tell us why then.

Plumbthedepths · 21-03-2020 03:14AM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

The Fed, BOE and now the ECB have just turned on potentially unlimited money taps - this is an economic experiment of unprecedented scale. I again worry we have forgotten the 1930's... although the alternative (increased taxation/austerity) would have led to the collapse of the EU.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0320/1124319-ursula-von-der-leyen-on-coronabonds/

Creative thinking they just apply a 'reset'. Profit should not be a factor of this crisis.

spookwoman · 21-03-2020 03:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

this could well be the end of Trump. He refused to heed the warnings of intelligence officials, and healthcare officials that there could be a pandemic on the way from China. He only started to take heed in March when the markets crashed.

At the rate it going tonight it may even pass italy's 5986

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 03:18AM

spookwoman wrote: »

At the rate it going tonight it may even pass italy's 5986

Oh that's for sure and very soon I would wager

BLIZZARD7 · 21-03-2020 03:19AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Creative thinking they just apply a 'reset'. Profit should not be a factor of this crisis.

Unfortunately it isn't this easy. Whilst I agree with the sentiment, if we hit 'reset' (we may have already inadvertently started that process) then the US dollar will collapse. And every other currency globally - that would just result in all out war...

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