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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #6452
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Im sorry whats happened to you.

    But it doesnt justify elbowing a 14 year old into the stomach.

    If that can be justified so can physical abuse

    They were acting in a disruptive, disrespectful manner and started with the physical stuff by moving into his space. Need some manners put on them.


  • #6453
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    amadangomor wrote: »
    I have been diagnosed with a chest infection, cause unknown. Could be bacterial or Corvid-19. I have tightness in my chest, pain when I breathe deeply and shortness of breath.

    Are you going to be tested?


  • #6454
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486
    jeez article will cheer you up... not


  • #6455
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Really,is there any need for this crap,my young son has a lisp and I hate this **** from grown adults,is this the world I have to bring him up in?

    No it's not the world you have to bring him up in. It's just some clown who can't string a witty sentence together.
    Ignore


  • #6456
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    in America, tightness of the chest is one of the recognised symptoms.

    Source?


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  • #6457
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment

    Yeah, printing won't inflate demand now, because people can't spend.

    Really interesting economics of this.
    Will we see a local boom when restrictions are lifted?

    I don't know if there are any economic models of how this will play out?


  • #6458
    rogieop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭rogieop


    expectationlost wrote: »
    wonder what the definition of airborne is


    one study suggest this virus may be airborne https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

    More than one. There seems to be more and more evidence pointing towards this being airborne.


  • #6459
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Good god the break down of society.

    Were you never 14?

    Bitta jostling among teenagers rewarded with an assault.


    Wow just wow

    I was an awful eejit when I was 14 but if there was a deadly viral pandemic then, I know that my parents would have knocked the eejitery right out of me.


  • #6460
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission

    If the HSE use the term community transmission in a certain way it is important we understand their terminology if we want to discuss it.


  • #6461
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Earlier today I wrote an article for Irish Tech News detailing how social media is being used for good in these strange days. I also mention a fantastic online concert that is taking place this Sunday. https://irishtechnews.ie/social-media-and-covid-19/


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  • #6462
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    expectationlost wrote: »
    jeez article will cheer you up... not

    I know. Multi year challenge.


  • #6463
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment

    No . Cut government spending afterwards. Irish taxpayers will be getting a serious bill too. Can't be helped. Whatever is necessary to defeat the virus here and get the country back on track. Considering our history of budget overruns this bill is going to be eye watering.


  • #6464
    Jenbach110
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭Jenbach110


    amadangomor wrote: »
    They were acting in a disruptive, disrespectful manner and started with the physical stuff by moving into his space. Need some manners put on them.

    Well yeah thats resonable.

    Im starting a petition next week to bring back corporal punishment in Ireland, I now appoint you secretary of my committee


  • #6465
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission
    I don't see how you could say they are arguably the same thing at all. One has a known source the other doesn't, in epidemiological terms that is an enormous distinction. Local just proves there is definitely one other infected person for sure, there may be no others. Community transmission implies there are a significant number of other infected people out there


  • #6466
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission
    you were the one who misinterpreted this post https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112901364&postcount=6408


  • #6467
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭threeball


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

    The best bet at this stage is finding a drug that can reduce the fatality rate. If thats already tested in humans we can just suck it up, accept that we will get infected at some point and take the drug if necessary if symptoms are heading down a bad path.

    After that its herd immunity which would be reached around the same timeframe as vaccines.

    Without a drug its going to be a long long haul and difficult to know what kind of world we will have when we get there.


  • #6468
    Kaysen Fat Podiatrist
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kaysen Fat Podiatrist


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I think it's a bit in between.

    Not freely airborne, but can exist in smaller droplets that float around longer than larger droplets.

    It's the 2 day plus on fomites that concerns me, so hence the wash your hands. Every time you come home from outside, and also often within the home.

    Study seems to indicate it can last up to three hours in the air.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lifespan-on-surfaces-graphic-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


  • #6469
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    gozunda wrote: »
    Source?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-symptoms-list-what-to-do-wellness/index.html


  • #6470
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1241145060890157056?s=20


  • #6471
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    gozunda wrote: »
    Are you going to be tested?

    Doctor said no point when I went on Wednesday as I had a cough/symptoms for 2 weeks and would not test positive even if I had it. Left work as started to get the tightness and breathlessness when working.

    I have to self isolate until next Thursday.


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  • #6472
    bob mcbob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Looking beyond the short or even medium term.
    How do we exit from the crisis.

    This BBC article looks at this question.

    I think periods of interrupted intervention followed by lifting, to allow immunity to accumulate in the population whilst also keeping the curve low is our best bet until a vaccine is available, probably late next year.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

    Currently there is no exit strategy. The approach at the moment is to try to manage the virus rates in order to manage the entry rate into hospitals. The hope is that a vaccine will be available in the next year to make this a short term interruption

    But

    What if a vaccine is not efficient for this virus?
    What if this is nature taking back control?
    What if we are back in a world of survival of the fittest?

    This will change society as we know it.


  • #6473
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,293 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    amadangomor wrote: »
    If the HSE use the term community transmission in a certain way it is important we understand their terminology if we want to discuss it.

    But the point would be that the idea that local transmission means prolonged exposure to a person with the virus, whereas community means brief or even split second exposure to an infected stranger, probably doesn't even hold up. There would be a lot of overlapping of contact and 'community' simply suggests they just don't know how the individual got infected.....perhaps it was prolonged exposure to an unidentified carrier or spreader.


  • #6474
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭threeball


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Well yeah thats resonable.

    Im starting a petition next week to bring back corporal punishment in Ireland, I now appoint you secretary of my committee

    In fairness, they pushed the guy in to him. Even if the young fella didn't know it was coming its better the group know they can't fcuk around with people without consequences. Thats the problem, young lads act the bollox and are let do what they like. They get more and more brazen, next thing you know they're standing outside chippers with plans to dig every 3rd person that comes out in the head (yes thats a thing). That lesson alone should go out to all groups of young lads. You might occassionally get bit.


  • #6475
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Well yeah thats resonable.

    Im starting a petition next week to bring back corporal punishment in Ireland, I now appoint you secretary of my committee

    :pac: ;)


  • #6476
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,038 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Looking beyond the short or even medium term.
    How do we exit from the crisis.

    This BBC article looks at this question.

    I think periods of interrupted intervention followed by lifting, to allow immunity to accumulate in the population whilst also keeping the curve low is our best bet until a vaccine is available, probably late next year.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

    Without a cure I just cannot see how we go back to normal, spread again
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6477
    mad m
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭mad m


    My daughter been teaching English in Vietnam (Hanoi) since last year. They terminated her contract and cancelled her Visa. On way home. Probably would of been safer there but its out of her hand now.


  • #6478
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1241145060890157056?s=20

    Notice the ones whos flattened the curve japan, singapore and hong kong all nations who most of their citizens wear masks and us the west who barely wear them flying up the charts,

    But still think asian numbers are well off compared to how fast it spread in europe.


  • #6479
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,384 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No . Cut government spending afterwards. Irish taxpayers will be getting a serious bill too. Can't be helped. Whatever is necessary to defeat the virus here and get the country back on track. Considering our history of budget overruns this bill is going to be eye watering.

    It will be a global bill that has to be addressed in a just way. We can't do a 2008 on this one.

    Social justice has to be the result of this shared experience.


  • #6480
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    cjmc wrote:
    I saw a post about dept of agriculture labs being used for tests as they do TB tests all the time. . The vet injects a reacter and comes back 2 days later to physically inspect if there's a reaction. No sending off samples. Factory vets may take and send off samples from dead animals though. IDK
    This is the second post that has mentioned this but i cant find it.

    Do you have a source?

    Tests for TB are not the same as the procedure for Covid19. The procedures would have to first be validated before use.
    I imagine staff wouldn't be accredited to perform testing on patient samples. There's would be GDPR red tape.

    Agri labs wouldn't have the access to health link, the program that sends patient results electronically from the lab to the GP practice.


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  • #6481
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    Just listened to an NHS doctor on BBC 5 Live. He believes it will be a miracle if the UK escapes with 20’000 deaths. Truly frightening.


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