Closing Schools - What about working parents !!!

Toastytoes · 12-03-2020 10:24PM

salmocab wrote: »

If the staff are being paid the only cost savings being shut are heating, lighting, food.

This saving wouldn’t be negligible tho, our child gets breakfast, a hot lunch and snacks at crèche which they now won’t need to provide for the next two weeks. They are also saving in lighting and heating the building, on laundry as no babies napping and no cooking and the cost associated with that. They will actually see a reduction in their outgoings while us parents have paid for the full month are now having to take unpaid leave to mind their kids.

I don’t have a major issue with still having to pay fees but they could meet us some of the way and knock something off for the reductions they are going to see in their outgoing this month. There’s not much good will being shown by them knowing full well the situation the parents are in. Today is the first I ever heard of their force majeure policy, it’s not mentioned on their website and not displayed anywhere for parent’s information.

denis160 · 12-03-2020 10:30PM

Treppen wrote: »

Dunno why people are saying teachers are off.

For us to be paid we have to be online and follow the timetable and engage with the students (even with my own kids running around).

I'm not saying 'boo-hoo' poor-me I'm just saying to those teacher bashers that work still continues.

Sorry for not being your babysitter at this time.

In our house, kids in secondary will have online work, but primary won’t.

jaxxx · 12-03-2020 10:36PM

One would think children's health would come first where priorities are concerned.. .. ..

Weffer · 12-03-2020 10:39PM

Iscreamkone wrote: »

It might not be a good idea to use grandparents in my opinion.

Never mentioned grandparents, figured that was common sense especially with the UK putting elderly on lock down, but families consist of many members, cousins, siblings, sisters in law, brothers in law, step brothers, step sisters etc etc

byhookorbycrook · 12-03-2020 11:14PM

Treppen wrote: »

I'd go the opposite way.
Everyone get paid so everyone can get paid.
I'm happy to keep paying the childcare once i know the staff will be fully paid (as they are willing to work). Only fair if I keep getting paid too though!

denis160 wrote: »

In our house, kids in secondary will have online work, but primary won’t.

So the primary children didn’t get any work to do at all? Most unusual, I’d say . We had less than 4 hours to sort some work today and all classes got a list to complete.

Princess Calla · 12-03-2020 11:19PM

Treppen wrote: »

I'd go the opposite way.
Everyone get paid so everyone can get paid.
I'm happy to keep paying the childcare once i know the staff will be fully paid (as they are willing to work). Only fair if I keep getting paid too though!

Yeah but will parents who have to stay at home get paid?

Will parents who have to pay someone else to mind their kids, have to pay double... Crèche and minder...

There's a whole lot of what ifs.

AulWan · 12-03-2020 11:20PM

The State is going to have to come up with some kind of emergency relief package, and will probably have to pass emergency legislation to deal with forcing business to close and paying workers, etc.

Right now, the first priority is the efforts to slow down the spread of the infection. The rest can all be dealt with later.

But I think any parent whose children are in creche should plan for the creches to be closed for longer then the initial 2 weeks announced. People who are in contact with an infected person today, will only start showing symptoms in two weeks, and if everything reopens, we'd be right back where we started.

This could put a lot of creches out of business. But I can't see an alternative to closure.

I do feel sorry for parent's stuck without childcare. Its a very worrying situation.

iamwhoiam · 12-03-2020 11:21PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

So the primary children didn’t get any work to do at all? Most unusual, I’d say . We had less than 4 hours to sort some work today and all classes got a list to complete.

Well done . My daughter got an e mail from the childs teacher with a list of her planned work for next week and helpful websites etc
She will be e mailing work for the kids and parents can mail her during school hours
( senior infants )

shane. · 13-03-2020 12:10AM

Jim Root wrote: »

creches can't survive on air alone, it's not their fault they have to close, staff still need to be paid. there might not be a creche left by April if they don't get their fees.

The government have forced these closures, there should be some sort of emergency package set up to compensate crèches, parents cannot be expected to continue paying whilst most likely having to take unpaid leave from work as well, if my business closes I won’t be paid.

TheBoyConor · 13-03-2020 12:20AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Every gig in the county has been cancelled on Leo's say so. From the Three arena holding 15000 to small venues.

Do you suppose these venues & likewise crÃ¨ches will have functioning insurance if they open against a government warning /order?

Yes I do, unless the policy contains a condition that states that insurance does not cover activities done in defiance of a government recommendation.

What I'm saying is that unless the government or their departments have explicit legal powers to prohibit events or activists or work, then it is just a request that carries no legal compulsion and cannot be enforced. A company or body could decide to give that advice the 2 fingers and go ahead and do their thing in defiance of the advice. And there would be nothing that anyone could do about it.

Any enforcement action needs to have a solid legal basis along with explicitly defined powers of enforcement.

STB. · 13-03-2020 12:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Day 1 - two people
Day 2 - four people
Day 3 - eight people

"After the third day" = 16 people or so? Sure, we're already past that......what are you smoking?

Be prepared to become very depressed.

Italy over 4 weeks.

Feb 19 - 3 Cases
Feb 20 - 4 Cases
Feb 21 - 21 Cases (1 Dead)
Feb 22 - 79 Cases (2 Dead)
Feb 23 - 157 Cases (3 Dead)
Feb 24 - 229 Cases (7 dead)
Feb 25 - 323 Cases (11 Dead)
Feb 26 - 477 Cases (12 Dead)
Feb 27 - 655 Cases (17 Dead)
Feb 28 - 889 Cases (21 Dead)
Feb 29 - 1128 Cases (29 Dead)
Mar 1 - 1701 Cases (41 Dead)
Mar 2 - 2036 Cases (52 Dead)
Mar 3 - 2502 Cases (79 Dead)
Mar 4 - 3089 Cases (107 Dead)
Mar 5 - 3858 Cases (148 Dead)
Mar 6 - 4636 Cases (197 Dead)
Mar 7 - 5883 Cases (233 Dead)
Mar 8 - 7375 Cases (366 Dead)
Mar 9 - 9172 Cases (463 Dead)
Mar 10 -10149 Cases (631 Dead)
Mar 11 -12462 Cases (827 Dead)
Mar 12 - 15113 Cases (1016 Dead)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

AulWan · 13-03-2020 12:27AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Yes I do, unless the policy contains a condition that states that insurance does not cover activities done in defiance of a government recommendation.

What I'm saying is that unless the government or their departments have explicit legal powers to prohibit events or activists or work, then it is just a request that carries no legal compulsion and cannot be enforced. A company or body could decide to give that advice the 2 fingers and go ahead and do their thing in defiance of the advice. And there would be nothing that anyone could do about it.

Any enforcement action needs to have a solid legal basis along with explicitly defined powers of enforcement.

Oh, I think you'll find it could be enforced. Any threat to the greater public health in the midst of a pandemic, and I've no doubt they'd send the army in.

I wouldn't fancy sitting in a jail cell for sticking up my two fingers.

Edit: Government and Garda can use extreme powers to control Covid-19

TheBoyConor · 13-03-2020 12:36AM

So there is tangible legal powers of enforcement.

Great. Thank you for that.

I'd like to see some of it being enforced.

Ireland is not used to our inclined to this type of authoritarian approach that is hinted at in the regulations though.
I'd say authorities would be terrified to actually try enforce any of the harsher measures for fear of being challenged, taken to court and being found to have been excessive or non reasonable and then sued for all sorts like illegal arrest, unlawful detention etc etc and being stung for millions in compo.
We must remember that these days everyone is woke and very easily triggered.

I'd say it'll be a very mild and measured enforcement of at all. They will depend mostly on voluntary compliance in all but the most extreme of cases.

AulWan · 13-03-2020 12:38AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

So there is tangible legal powers of enforcement.

Great. Thank you for that.

I'd like to see some of it being enforced.

Hopefully it won't come to that. But I've no doubt if they need to use these powers, they would.

AulWan · 13-03-2020 12:46AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Ireland is not used to our inclined to this type of authoritarian approach that is hinted at in the regulations though.
I'd say authorities would be terrified to actually try enforce any of the harsher measures for fear of being challenged, taken to court and being found to have been excessive or non reasonable and then sued for all sorts like illegal arrest, unlawful detention etc etc and being stung for millions in compo.
We must remember that these days everyone is woke and very easily triggered.

I'd say it'll be a very mild and measured enforcement of at all. They will depend mostly on voluntary compliance in all but the most extreme of cases.

You edited after I replied.

I think you're underestimating the authorities here.

Nobody thought they'd shut the schools down, either, but they did.

Covid-19 is not really something they can send someone around to have a chat about.

TheBoyConor · 13-03-2020 01:04AM

I'd have my doubts about that. Irish authorities are very soft. Across the board from the courts, to the local authorities, to EPA enforcement. Our way of doing things is just softly softly and those chancer types who give the finger to the law tend to get away with it more often than not. Fly tippers, illegal waste, travelers, you name it.

Ireland just doesn't have the same appetite or tolerance for no nonsense enforcement like tougher EU states like Poland or France. Poland in particular is very much a no-bullshít society.

Bullocks · 13-03-2020 08:18AM

Our 8 yr old was up at 6:30 with his 3 books open on the table. He intends to finish the lot of his homework today so he can chill for the rest of this pandemic without doing a page a day!
14 yr old is a whole other kettle of fish, still snoring and will be a job to get him doing much school work

Sleeper12 · 13-03-2020 08:38AM

TheBoyConor wrote:

Yes I do, unless the policy contains a condition that states that insurance does not cover activities done in defiance of a government recommendation.

Don't you suppose that there is a clause about health and safety issues? Don't insurance policies have clauses about national emergencies?

I'm pretty certain HIQA have the right to order a creche to close.

Antares35 · 13-03-2020 12:50PM

salmocab wrote: »

No but nor should the staff

That's kind of what I said

Rufeo · 13-03-2020 04:25PM

Can he muscle in his parents to look after them for a few weeks?

Moonbeam · 14-03-2020 12:30PM

The numbers are here - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1oYV9cwZq9JIgRoYTfoZNefJNo6ISMVp1dH0hrP8jIJfyZrP5PoMQmYyU

I feel sorry for families where both parents are front line workers that have no family to mind the kids locally.

15-03-2020 07:33AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Give me an example where a teacher was sacked for something that wasn't an extreme circumstance, like assault or sexual assault?
Come back to me when you find any example of any public servant who was ever sacked for anything bar that.

Seriously?

denis160 · 20-03-2020 04:33PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

So the primary children didn’t get any work to do at all? Most unusual, I’d say . We had less than 4 hours to sort some work today and all classes got a list to complete.

Sorry only getting to reply to this now. Yes, what I said is correct & as of yesterday received a message via Aladdin from principal stating same.
That applies from junior to 6th class. Recommended to read, do projects etc.

LuasSimon · 20-03-2020 04:37PM

Any chance the schools here will open for the children of front line workers like the UK?

jellybear · 20-03-2020 04:40PM

denis160 wrote: »

Sorry only getting to reply to this now. Yes, what I said is correct & as of yesterday received a message via Aladdin from principal stating same.
That applies from junior to 6th class. Recommended to read, do projects etc.

Twinkl are providing free access to parents and there are plenty of useful things there. A lot of schools have also put up work on their own websites so maybe check out local school websites. Grow in love, Folens, Ed Co Books and Nessy are also offering free use of their materials. If anyone needs help accessing these, just PM me

I'd imagine all info is on their homepage re. registering.

heldel00 · 20-03-2020 06:51PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Any chance the schools here will open for the children of front line workers like the UK?

Nope

denis160 · 20-03-2020 07:26PM

jellybear wrote: »

Twinkl are providing free access to parents and there are plenty of useful things there. A lot of schools have also put up work on their own websites so maybe check out local school websites. Grow in love, Folens, Ed Co Books and Nessy are also offering free use of their materials. If anyone needs help accessing these, just PM me I'd imagine all info is on their homepage re. registering.

Twinkle very good, have already downloaded a load of stuff from them & we’re working through them. Have other apps we’re working through too. Some good sporty videos on YouTube etc to give us a breather too when neede!

denis160 · 20-03-2020 07:26PM

heldel00 wrote: »

Nope

Are there not some childcare facilities doing this? Thought I had read that somewhere?

heldel00 · 20-03-2020 08:09PM

Individual childcare workers have offered their services to frontline staff but that's as far as it goes.

Closing Schools - What about working parents !!!

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