CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

banie01 · 20-03-2020 01:59PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

The footfall is controllable

Land borders have a way higher footfall

Funnily enough, despite our best hopes.
We have one of those, uncontrolled and with unfettered access to an Island neighbour who based their initial control measures on the wrong modelling.

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 01:59PM

bb12 wrote: »

everyone who had the foresight to buy masks should be wearing them now. it seems the virus is widespread in ireland now.

this line that they don't help is being fed to everyone because there is a national shortage of them and they can't be got

The line that they don’t work usually comes from second or third hand misquoting of what has been published.

Specific grade works to prevent. If in public and not in close proximity of anyone then they don’t have any use.

Surgical or paper masks don’t work.

Not being worn correctly or changed regularly causes infection.

Touching face more often, because of wearing one puts a higher risk of infection. People need to clarify anything (including this post ) from correct sources. Relying on other people or media is not a good idea

saabsaab · 20-03-2020 02:00PM

EDit wrote: »

...and going where? Are all these people going to set up tents in Phoenix Park?

Not a bad idea, plenty of space. proper tents could work.

TheCitizen · 20-03-2020 02:00PM

Blaze420 wrote: »

I don't even know who he is and even I want to punch him in the face - that's a special talent.

TheCitizen wrote: »

I always liked him, I like him even more now that he annoys you so much. You're definitely doing something right Joe if you got at this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekjVAhuEUH8

Just listening to this and Joe is very well informed and interesting on this. He's 100 percent correct, leadership on this has been very poor. It's not been great in the Republic and even worse in The North and the UK. There's racing in Dundalk today, what's that about exactly?

facehugger99 · 20-03-2020 02:00PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

RTE needs to start showing the real story in Italy. I went my local tesco yesterday for our weekly supllies, I was the only one wearing gloves. I didnt use a basket of trolly, just my own bags. It was quite busy,, lots of people just buying a few bits.

What I think they got wrong is telling people to shop as normal, thats crazy alot of folk shop many times a week. Thats increasing risk, increasing the numbers in shops etc.

Once a week should be the limit. I saw that video of the chinese red cross rep speaking about the italian lockdown not being strict enough. We arnt doing enough

Typical of the on-thread nonsense being posted - calls for checks of cars disembarking Ferries (check what exactly?), on the spot fines for people standing talking to each other and now a 'one-shop-a-week' enforcement policy.

Do some lads think we have an army of thousands of bureaucrats on stand-by to monitor and enforce whatever is the latest stupid policy they dream up?

zerosugarbuzz · 20-03-2020 02:01PM

Would it not have been far more effective to completely lock down the elderly and at risk and let everyone else work their way through this?

Dial Hard · 20-03-2020 02:01PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekjVAhuEUH8

Just listening to this and Joe is very well informed and interesting on this. He's 100 percent correct, leadership on this has been very poor. It's not been great in the Republic and even worse in The North and the UK. There's racing in Dundalk today, what's that about exactly?

Joe Brolly who went to Cheltenham last week?

RugbyLad11 · 20-03-2020 02:02PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Asians have a culture of wearing masks when they have colds to stop them spreading it to others.

It's not about them thinking "I'm wearing a mask, so I won't get the virus" and that's what many people here think.

That's the point I'm trying to get across.

Jesus don't you understand if they stop colds from spreading they will also stop this virus

megatron989 · 20-03-2020 02:02PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm sorry the post is just pure scaremongering.

The virus is spread by contact not by breathing in the air outside.

What about the air in a shop or other indoor environment.
I'd rather be overly cautious than roll the dice on your assumption that it's safe. Evidence to date says this stuff can float about for some time in the right conditions. Not to mention the muck savages that cough openly wherever they go.

SleetAndSnow · 20-03-2020 02:03PM

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm sorry the post is just pure scaremongering.

The virus is spread by contact not by breathing in the air outside.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

Except a lot of tests are showing it can remain in the air for a few hours in little water droplets which just float depending on how filtered the air is etc. Still research being done so a statement of 'it doesnt spread in the air' is wrong. Cannot be ruled out.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 02:03PM

megatron989 wrote: »

What about the air in a shop or other indoor environment.
I'd rather be overly cautious than roll the dice on your assumption that it's safe. Evidence to date says this stuff can float about for some time in the right conditions. Not to mention the muck savages that cough openly wherever they go.

One study is not evidence, it's one study.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 02:03PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

These counties have been the best at dealing with this pandemic and they have history with SARS. The only reason western governments are saying to not wear masks is because there is a shortage, but don't be fooled into thinking they do not help.

i want to give a little reassurance on this item.

I am responsible for buying the PPE in my job which is a food supply company, our supplier of PPE who is one of the leading suppliers on the Island has told me they already have supplied the Defense forces and HSE with huge amounts of stock and have secured order that are shipping now for more.

In their meetings, the HSE and Defense forces also said to work towards ensuring the food sector is kept stocked with appropriate PPE to produce safe food for people, they were in contact with me today assuring me that the HSE and Defense forces are prepared and they have enough stocks on the way to keep them and us going.

Hobgoblin11 · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

This game of tag the kids are playing , where they shout covid 19 when tagged is a dangerous disgrace

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

Except a lot of tests are showing it can remain in the air for a few hours in little water droplets which just float depending on how filtered the air is etc. Still research being done so a statement of 'it doesnt spread in the air' is wrong. Cannot be ruled out.

Do you have a link to this?

DevilsHaircut · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

joeguevara wrote: »

The line that they don’t work usually comes from second or third hand misquoting of what has been published.

Specific grade works to prevent. If in public and not in close proximity of anyone then they don’t have any use.

Surgical or paper masks don’t work.

Not being worn correctly or changed regularly causes infection.

Touching face more often, because of wearing one puts a higher risk of infection. People need to clarify anything (including this post ) from correct sources. Relying on other people or media is not a good idea

Re 'Not being worn correctly or changed regularly causes infection'. This applies in a CLINICAL setting where the wearer has a higher risk of exposure and/or contact with a vulnerable person than a general member of the public does.

Jimmy Garlic · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

wakka12 wrote: »

'The virus is a minor illness for the vast majority of people. No worse than a sniffle for most.'
No...

'Great to see people out and about on a fine day instead of being consumed with fear. '
Yes...

'The hardcore extravaganza of panic and economic suicide will create more damage to people's health and wellbeing than the virus itself.'
For younger people. Not for the elderly and those with health conditions who make up at least 50% of our population

The resources should have been focused on protecting the vulnerable. Pulling the plug on the economy will only create more hardship across the board, guaranteed. It will be far worse than 2008 before we know it at the rate everything is being sabotaged.

murpho999 · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

China must wear mask:
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/08/c_138766346.htm

Korea must wear a mask:
https://yourvalley.net/stories/the-latest-south-korea-voters-must-wear-masks-gloves,148262

These counties have been the best at dealing with this pandemic and they have history with SARS. The only reason western governments are saying to not wear masks is because there is a shortage, but don't be fooled into thinking they do not help.

Read it properly, article about Korea is for people voting only.

Is it not more dangerous to be holding elections?

TheCitizen · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

Dial Hard wrote: »

Joe Brolly who went to Cheltenham last week?

Did he? He wasn't quizzed on that by Ger Gilroy, if he did he should have been?

markfinn · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

Dcully wrote: »

- People cramming into Shops
- Teens Spitting on shopping trolleys

Show these people the latest report on sky news from Italy and they would change their tune fairly rapidly as its pretty grim.

I really don't think they would.
You could be showing them the same scenes in Dublin and they still wouldn't care, because it wasn't them personally.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 02:04PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

This game of tag the kids are playing , where they shout covid 19 when tagged is a dangerous disgrace

Modern day ring a ring of roses ...

SleetAndSnow · 20-03-2020 02:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Do you have a link to this?

I linked one of them? You can search for more and theres a lot of articles on it.

Snippet:
Their study, which has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that the virus could survive in droplets for up to three hours after being coughed out into the air. Fine droplets between 1-5 micrometres in size – about 30 times small than the width of a human hair – can remain airborne for several hours in still air.

So while its not 'airborne' it can linger in the water droplets in the air which can float around for hours.

20-03-2020 02:05PM

I enjoy how Irish people who have no history whatsoever of wearing masks know better than Asians who wear them routinely either when they're sick or for air pollution, and have history in dealing with the last Coronavirus.

Asian governments aren't making it law to wear one and just for the craic. I didn't wear one the last time I was sick just for the craic.

RugbyLad11 · 20-03-2020 02:05PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Read it properly, article about Korea is for people voting only.

Is it not more dangerous to be holding elections?

Yes because Korea is in a semi lock down, but they are allowing people to come out and vote but only if they wear a mask

caveat emptor · 20-03-2020 02:06PM

murpho999 wrote: »

THe virus is not airborne. How can it float for 3 hours.

No country anywhere is advising the general public to wear facemasks if not affected and I've looked a good few countries offical health advice and the WHO.

Wearing masks and gloves does not achieve anything and is not necessary.

I feel bad for people who swallow half truths willingly and regurgitate them with such certainty.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

TLDR Wake up:

Their study, which has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that the virus could survive in droplets for up to three hours after being coughed out into the air.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf

Centre for Disease Control

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/aerosols/pdfs/Aerosol_101.pdf

murpho999 · 20-03-2020 02:06PM

megatron989 wrote: »

What about the air in a shop or other indoor environment.
I'd rather be overly cautious than roll the dice on your assumption that it's safe. Evidence to date says this stuff can float about for some time in the right conditions. Not to mention the muck savages that cough openly wherever they go.

So how do you stop it going into your eyes or ears then. Should wear swimming goggles, ear defenders and butt plugs?

ITman88 · 20-03-2020 02:06PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

This game of tag the kids are playing , where they shout covid 19 when tagged is a dangerous disgrace

It has been played for over 100 years in a slightly different form

Hobgoblin11 · 20-03-2020 02:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Modern day ring a ring of roses ...

ring a roses is more of a warning passed on thru the generAtions, covid tag is not, it's shameful!

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 02:07PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

I linked one of them? You can search for more and theres a lot of articles on it.

Snippet:
Their study, which has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that the virus could survive in droplets for up to three hours after being coughed out into the air. Fine droplets between 1-5 micrometres in size – about 30 times small than the width of a human hair – can remain airborne for several hours in still air.

So it's could not does and it needs someone to cough first.

castletownman · 20-03-2020 02:07PM

I'm surely not the only person that didn't find that footage inside an Italian hospital last night THAT scary.

Going by previous comments, I was expecting masses of patients taking up every inch of available room and dead bodies being carried out. Instead, it looked quite orderly all things considered, and there even appeared to be less people on trolleys than during our hospital crisis at the end of last year.

That isn't me downplaying the virus by the way, only being a bit 'meh' by the video.

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 02:07PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

ring a roses is more of a warning passed on thru the generAtions, covid tag is not, it's shameful!

Devil fare!

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP