CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

BorneTobyWilde · 19-03-2020 10:44PM

The Chinese DID NOT self isolate people in their homes who were infected, they used Hotels, to house the infected who did not need medical care.
Self isolating with family is the biggest mistake the West is making in all of this. Government should be commandeering all these closed hotels to house the infected, need to follow the China Blueprint, at the moment the West are cutting corners.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-03-2020 10:44PM

fritzelly wrote: »

One of the shortest but most accurate answers to any question ever on boards

No

Mervyn Skidmore · 19-03-2020 10:44PM

I wonder if Dr. Mike Ryan of the WHO is giving any further advice to the Irish government?

martin101 · 19-03-2020 10:46PM

begbysback wrote: »

Maybe not, but it means somebody there still has a job at the moment, and its doing no harm.

Yeah as long as the crowds keep coming in and people are in jobs. Good stuff

19-03-2020 10:46PM

bb12 wrote: »

saw this guy on itv news...he's an english nurse working in bergamo

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-patients-in-italy-treated-as-numbers-as-death-toll-hit-nearly-3-000/

"And there are no relatives, like it’s complete isolation.
So for most of the patients that arrive, most of them see their families once when the ambulance goes to pick them up and there’s no contact, even until the moment of their death and their funeral."

A couple of studies are indicating an unfortunate double whammy in the worst effected Italian regions. Not only is the larger number of older people a factor, but also alot of 18-34 year olds are living in the same house as these people. People with very mild or no symptoms are giving the virus to their unfortunate older relatives. Hopefully the Irish tradition of want to ‘flee the nest’ might help here.

Donald Trump · 19-03-2020 10:46PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

So I haven't been out for 5 days - are people wearing masks now?

only the paranoid schizophrenics

Or the people who are immuno-compromised.

I have a very good friend that has been wearing them when out and about for about a year now.

begbysback · 19-03-2020 10:46PM

Steve F wrote: »

Originally Posted by Steve F View Post
What's this I'm hearing about hydroxychloroquine?

Trump thinks it is the answer

And what do other people think?

Seems to be conflicting reports, theres a video of an Italian doctor talking about using it with other drugs and having small bits of success, then theres a french doctor reported to have 100% success rate with it, though with a small sample set of 40 - if Im reading correctly its already available for malaria, but the FDA wont approve it for corona, so most doctors seem to be using it as treatment unofficially which means the reporting of its success may be off.

Call Me Jimmy · 19-03-2020 10:46PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The Chinese DID NOT self isolate people in their homes who were infected, they used Hotels, to house the infected who did not need medical care.
Self isolating with family is the biggest mistake the West is making in all of this. Government should be commandeering all these closed hotels to house the infected, need to follow the China Blueprint, at the moment the West are cutting corners.

It does seem to stretch credulity that anyone self isolating for two weeks in the same house as their family wouldn't pass it on even with strict measures.

bekker · 19-03-2020 10:47PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

But you could buy a nice AK47

$500-2000, depending on model, you assume full responsible for all import cost in conformity with local regs.

elperello · 19-03-2020 10:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Chinese seem to have a particularly callous disregard for animal welfare. I seen two videos today from China on twitter that shocked me to the core. One was a dog in what looked like a large wok, the dog was being boiled alive and basted at the same time in a shallow enough liquid. The other was even worse a poor dog strung up by a wire still alive while a man was blow-torching it. It was black from head to toe and he seemed to spend a sinister amount of time blow torching its face. The dog was still alive. I was so repulsed i had to go for a walk to get my head around what i had just seen.

Europe is not anywhere near the level of depraved animal treatment you see in China. I'm not sure there is anywhere on earth that would come close to them.

They really need to be held to account for their treatment of animals and their disgusting wet markets. Just look where we are now with this virus because of their treatment of animals.

That sort of behavior serves to brutalise people.

Jin luk · 19-03-2020 10:47PM

Their is people all over monaghan still waiting to be tested, here in carrickmacross their was 30people referred for testing on monday and their still waiting to be tested, acting as if it isnt here, putting it out their is 0 confirmed cases.
Bloody test the people for real numbers!!

igCorcaigh · 19-03-2020 10:47PM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

I would also like a lockdown. My 66 year old mum is a retired nurse who went back to work for the hospital this week on request. She’s so petrified of contacting it and not knowing and then passing it onto my dad, she’s sleeping in a separate room to him. She doesn’t leave the house only to go to work. I’m a teacher so off work and able to run all the errands for them. But it pains me to see how careful she is being and risking a lot ( she’s not young the virus may not be so kind if she contracts it). I was driving through my town this evening and I saw a group of about 10-12 teens hanging out and it angered me. Then I saw someone had posed about it on the town Facebook page and some parents were writing back asking what the issue was and for people to calm down.
The issue is these teens will go home and pass it onto family members who may end up in hospital , taking up hospital beds when it could have been prevented if they just told their kids to stay in for a matter of weeks. It’s not forever , kids have phones and TV’s , they can go for walks and ride their bikes. They won’t die from a bit of social distancing and it may save the lives of others.

I know this rant doesn’t apply to most parents are doing an excellent job keeping their kids away from groups. I applaud those who are doing this !!

It's a tough time. Completely agree with you and wishing you and your parents the best. Keep safe.

tikkahunter · 19-03-2020 10:47PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The Chinese DID NOT self isolate people in their homes who were infected, they used Hotels, to house the infected who did not need medical care.
Self isolating with family is the biggest mistake the West is making in all of this. Government should be commandeering all these closed hotels to house the infected, need to follow the China Blueprint, at the moment the West are cutting corners.

thats happening now , I heard today some hotels in the city are been taken. This was by someone who worked in one that has been booked.

tobefrank321 · 19-03-2020 10:48PM

KevinK wrote: »

My grandmother has been doing a great job of isolating for the last week, but tomorrow is pension day and she really wants to go and get the pension.

I see on citizens information that she can appoint me as a temporary agent but this is only for three weeks Or alternatively as a full time agent but we only want something for a few weeks, have there been any temporary arrangements for this..

Pensioners have a very odd obsession with physical cash which could prove fatal at the moment. Many seem clueless that you can use your bank card in a shop. They insist on withdrawing cash from an atm, bringing it to the shop and getting the change.

Maybe this virus is a further kickstart to an exclusively cashless society.

john_doe. · 19-03-2020 10:49PM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

I would also like a lockdown. My 66 year old mum is a retired nurse who went back to work for the hospital this week on request. She’s so petrified of contacting it and not knowing and then passing it onto my dad, she’s sleeping in a separate room to him. She doesn’t leave the house only to go to work. I’m a teacher so off work and able to run all the errands for them. But it pains me to see how careful she is being and risking a lot ( she’s not young the virus may not be so kind if she contracts it). I was driving through my town this evening and I saw a group of about 10-12 teens hanging out and it angered me. Then I saw someone had posed about it on the town Facebook page and some parents were writing back asking what the issue was and for people to calm down.
The issue is these teens will go home and pass it onto family members who may end up in hospital , taking up hospital beds when it could have been prevented if they just told their kids to stay in for a matter of weeks. It’s not forever , kids have phones and TV’s , they can go for walks and ride their bikes. They won’t die from a bit of social distancing and it may save the lives of others.

I know this rant doesn’t apply to most parents are doing an excellent job keeping their kids away from groups. I applaud those who are doing this !!

Did she go back to work to help out ?
At that age , very brave !

begbysback · 19-03-2020 10:49PM

martin101 wrote: »

Yeah as long as the crowds keep coming in and people are in jobs. Good stuff

It is possible to social distance and still shop. A complete lockdown is not yet required, what is required is mass testing and social distancing.

martin101 · 19-03-2020 10:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I dont know if your stuck at home, a book wouldn't be the worst thing to have. They will be closed soon anyway.

No I've to go to work unfortunately. But I'd rather be stuck at home than risking my health each day being around loads of people. But I've to go to work to pay the bills.

elperello · 19-03-2020 10:49PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I wonder if Dr. Mike Ryan of the WHO is giving any further advice to the Irish government?

I'd say he is very busy but I'm sure he'd respond to a request for info. from our government.

touts · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

David McWilliams wants the bank to print free money and put it into our bank accounts

There is some logic to it. Give everyone money and force them to spend it within a certain time. Pumps money directly into the economy. They have been giving money to the banks for years for the same reason. This cuts out the middlemen and their shareholders who all take a hefty cut.

hotmail.com · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

Eamon Ryan for Minister of Salads.

Hobgoblin11 · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

This is a picture of a coronavirus (), the pink, green and blue blobs represent proteins, these are used to latch onto cells and inject the viruses genes (the yellow coil) into a cell, where it takes over and manufactures more viruses.

The red shell is a tiny bubble made of , like a little soap bubble….. soap is good at dissolving fats and bursts the viruses envelope disrupting and inactivating it.

70% alcohol is about the sweet spot for disinfection, a weaker solution is not strong enough to kill microorganisms, a stronger solution evaporates too quickly to have its full effect. Alcohol works by dehydrating by (simply put the water in a cell or virus tries to ‘dilute’ the alcohol solution surrounding it) this disrupts the envelope and also damages the coat proteins needed to infect a cell.]

Darc19 · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think a lot of places that are only closing now (Penney's, Ikea, etc.) are doing so because they're exhausting their stock levels, rather than because they've suddenly grown a heart for their employees.

You really think that.

Have a look into their warehouse in Naas. It's jammed.

Because their stores are busy, it just isn't feasible for everyone to be safe. Same with shopping centers, too many people in close proximity to each other.

I was in one store in a business park in Naas buying a mother's day gift and they had a perspex barrier at the till area, markings on the floor and staff using gloves at the till and the card machine will a plastic type bag over it.

Fairly impressive and it was not part of a chain.

Something similar in a local pharmacy in Kildare Town too where the staff had anti back in their aprons.

Once I see that level of care, I'm happy to support the place.

Jinglejangle69 · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

Who would actually want Michael Martin leading us through this?

He is so weak tonight.

sheepsh4gger · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Didn't answer the question. This important because we are talking about a physical phenomenon. Can you breath in a virus? Yes. Can you wear a mask to prevent yourself breathing in said pathogen. Yes.

But don't wear a mask because you don't need one. It's the same argument as the people who say too many kids go to University. When asked do their kids go to university, they respond yes.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf

The confusion comes from the type of mask being used:
- a surgical mask doesn't filter air, it's so that a surgeon doesn't cough into your wounds
- an N95 or construction/painting mask rated for viruses will definitely help you.

igCorcaigh · 19-03-2020 10:50PM

My brother finally came home from Cardiff.
I was concerned that he would be trapped there.

We video phoned when he went home to my parents (68,77) and saying I should call up over the weekend.

I was intending not to visit my parents at all at this time.

I'm unsure of what to do.

owlbethere · 19-03-2020 10:51PM

Jin luk wrote: »

Their is people all over monaghan still waiting to be tested, here in carrickmacross their was 30people referred for testing on monday and their still waiting to be tested, acting as if it isnt here, putting it out their is 0 confirmed cases.
Bloody test the people for real numbers!!

Phone Joe's liveline tomorrow

martin101 · 19-03-2020 10:51PM

begbysback wrote: »

It is possible to social distance and still shop. A complete lockdown is not yet required, what is required is mass testing and social distancing.

Yeah but everyone has to do it for it to work.

Jinglejangle69 · 19-03-2020 10:51PM

touts wrote: »

There is some logic to it. Give everyone money and force them to spend it within a certain time. Pumps money directly into the economy. They have been giving money to the banks for years for the same reason. This cuts out the middlemen and their shareholders who all take a hefty cut.

Why can't we just do this all the time?

Just give all of us money?

stephenjmcd · 19-03-2020 10:51PM

tikkahunter wrote: »

thats happening now , I heard today some hotels in the city are been taken. This was by someone who worked in one that has been booked.

Contingency planning. For the last few weeks they've been trying to find as much space as possible in the worst case scenario. Private hospitals have also been approached but they were also to enquire to hotels in the event that they might be required.

Navy ships now docked in dublin and galway can also be used either as testing centres or field hospitals

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 19-03-2020 10:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was talking to my dad the other day (69 years old) and he was saying he wouldn't mind if he got the virus and died from it.

I, a bit perplexed as you can imagine, questioned his thinking. He said that from what he understands of it, people that get it are off their heads in and out of fevers and their breathing slows until they die. He reckons the respiratory system giving up, whilst you're so out of it with the 'flu', that you'd barely notice, and "with a few whiskeys in you" it'd be a grand way to go.

I did have to laugh, but it got me thinking: how do you actually die from this? It does seem to be mostly related to the breathing issue, from what I can see (it shuts down your ability to breath properly?). Are people dying in their sleep and over night with it, just by suffocating?

It sounds like he is just rationalising it, due to fear. The reality is that if you got it today, it'll likely be two weeks from now that it kills you. There will definitely be shortages of everything from ventilators to pain medication to personnel to oversee and administrate medications.

In Italy, they are triaging older people or patients with underlying conditions with ARDS and lying them on their stomachs so they could save medications and equipment and attend to patients who had a chance of survival, albeit many of them are left with permanent lung damage.

Please don't get this.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP