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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #2162
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,266 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    donfers wrote: »
    Nobel Prize for Science please...my next thesis will examine the role of hedgehogs in the deforestation of the Amazon




    I can't wait!


  • #2163
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    It's pretty irrelevant since people don't tend to use the toilet at the same time. Wipe everything down after, fairly simple.
    And that hand washing thing. Even in the smallest of spaces you can get a degree of social distancing.


  • #2164
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The Germans are doing the same bulls!t testing criteria we did. (they probably recommend we do it ) To stick our finger in the dam and buy time. Glad our government gave up on that approach.

    506216.png


    https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/press/2020/coronavirus.html


  • #2165
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    I like Joe. Any link to his radio piece. Sometimes he does go a bit ott for attention but he's good entertainment. I didn't mind Varadker's speech, it was very tame and understated which was fine, it wasn't the great speech that some FG fanboys on here made it out to be.

    Some of the media gobshítes were calling it Churchillian puke.gif

    It did have a Churchillian touch.
    Albeit without the cigar & the hat :)


  • #2166
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Probably see more un people mentioned now
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1240652674191839233?s=20


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  • #2167
    [Deleted User]
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    Mwengwe wrote: »
    So why does something impossible suddenly become possible once someone knows they have the virus? I understand the logistical difficulties but you do what you can as much as possible. People going out for jolly walks together in groups of 4 or 5 don't give me much confidence that they're making any attempt to mitigate the risks.

    This **** is hard, I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere in isolation, completely on my own, no way of getting groceries at the moment. Pretty envious of families, co-habitors to be honest. But just try to do what you can instead of saying 'pfft, we all live under the same roof so why bother?'

    Sorry but I am not socially distancing myself from the people I live with. If one of us gets it, the four of us do. But the four of us aren't in contact with anyone else, the only place we've gone to all week is the supermarket. That's social distancing.

    There could be nothing wrong with a group of 3 or 4 people walking together, if they live together what bloody difference does it make?


  • #2168
    Ardent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭Ardent


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Has anyone taking ARDs for high blood pressure been advised to stop or switch to another anti-hypertensive medication?

    There was a paper in Lancet on this subject but this paper from Australia explains the possible issues quite well:

    "Leading experts warn that ARBs may amplify COVID-19 severity in patients"

    https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/ace-inhibitors-arbs-and-covid-19-what-gps-need-to

    I know a Dublin cardiologist has stopped taking his meds (under this category) and advised some patients to do so as well. Obviously one would need to consult his GP and weigh up the relative risks of switching/stopping meds.

    What's the name of this cardiologist?

    This is extremely dangerous advice. A recent publication from the European Cardiology Society strongly advises against discontinuing blood pressure medication based on social media speculation:
    https://www.escardio.org/Councils/Council-on-Hypertension-(CHT)/News/position-statement-of-the-esc-council-on-hypertension-on-ace-inhibitors-and-ang

    This article even goes so far as to say that AT1R blockers may actually be a beneficial treatment for COVID-19:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32129518/

    In short, there's not enough data yet, and folks need to calm down until we learn more about this disease.


  • #2169
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    You must also look after you mental health. You cannot stay locked inside for 3+ months, people need to go outside for fresh air and small things

    Where are you getting that from my post.

    I actually agree with you on that and I think if this goes on for a long time we're going to have to re-think the lockdown thing. But right now it's what everyone is being asked to do for the greater good.


  • #2170
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    Thanks for doing your bit

    Have you got any good suggestions how people are supposed to distance themselves from young children ? Its impossible . Should they just let small kids cope all by themselves from a two metre distance ?


  • #2171
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Judging by the last few pages I get the impression that this whole virus thing might blow over before the summer......

    The SUMMER!! I've a hair appointment for Saturday morning!


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  • #2172
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Probably see more un people mentioned now
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1240652674191839233?s=20

    Is the test specific for covid 19 or could any other Coronavirus’s give positive results?


  • #2173
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    AdamD wrote: »
    Sorry but I am not socially distancing myself from the people I live with. If one of us gets it, the four of us do. But the four of us aren't in contact with anyone else, the only place we've gone to all week is the supermarket. That's social distancing.

    There could be nothing wrong with a group of 3 or 4 people walking together, if they live together what bloody difference does it make?

    It's a really bad attitude. What if one member of the family has a less-than-robust immune response to the virus? Won't be so bullish about it then...


  • #2174
    BLIZZARD7
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    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1240653440189181953


  • #2175
    TheCitizen
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    It did have a Churchillian touch.
    Albeit without the cigar & the hat :)

    Mark Cagney would be creaming himself, he's a big churchillian fanboy don't you know:pac:


  • #2176
    jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭jarvis


    I manage a supermarket and have been working every day. We’re doing our best at social distancing and it’s my number one priority. It comes before stock on shelves. Colleague and customer safety is far far far more important.
    In terms of at home. My wife was laid off and is home with the two kids and they’re basically in lockdown to the house except for a walk.
    I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I will get it at some stage. And I will infect the two kids and my wife. We will be fine I’m sure. The self imposed semi lockdown is for the protection of others. Especially my wife’s parents.

    I see nothing wrong with the four of us walking together outside as long as we’re distant from others.
    This may be the wrong approach but it makes sense to me.


  • #2177
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭take everything


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    I like Joe. Any link to his radio piece. Sometimes he does go a bit ott for attention but he's good entertainment. I didn't mind Varadker's speech, it was very tame and understated which was fine, it wasn't the great speech that some FG fanboys on here made it out to be.

    Some of the media gobshítes were calling it Churchillian; Puke

    I just discovered there's a projectile vomiting emoji.
    This is amazing


  • #2178
    Trigger Happy
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Have you got any good suggestions how people are supposed to distance themselves from young children ? Its impossible . Should they just let small kids cope all by themselves from a two metre distance ?

    Try changing a nappy while socially distancing yourself from the baby... It's a bit tricky...and messy!


  • #2179
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    would be more interesting to see how many recover, clearly early cases should be dropping out now, as seems this follows similar path of flu, so many people after 1-2 weeks should be cleared, but seems most stats are very slow to report it.


  • #2180
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    So why does something impossible suddenly become possible once someone knows they have the virus? I understand the logistical difficulties but you do what you can as much as possible. People going out for jolly walks together in groups of 4 or 5 don't give me much confidence that they're making any attempt to mitigate the risks.

    This **** is hard, I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere in isolation, completely on my own, no way of getting groceries at the moment. Pretty envious of families, co-habitors to be honest. But just try to do what you can instead of saying 'pfft, we all live under the same roof so why bother?'

    What do you do with, say, three children in one bedroom and the parents in the other? It would be nearly impossible to apply social distancing in those circumstances unless you actually knew who the sick person in the family was.


  • #2181
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I think you will find that most conspiracies such as the one alleged against the German government in this case are almost impossible to maintain.

    Too many journalists, politicians, family members, doctors, nurses and so on to keep quiet.

    Even a totalitarian state like China couldn't maintain quiet around causes of death.

    So if a large number of elderly people have died of coronavirus in Germany you can be certain it would already be front page news over there. No evidence of that so far.

    So unless someone has a rock solid source or evidence to back up their allegations, they remain allegations which to be fair aren't worth much.


    It's not an allegation it's an omission on Germany's part. They've prefaced their data with so many caveats that it is unrecognisable to any other countries.
    • They openly admit they are 3 days behind.
    • It's dependant on one of 400 health departments submitting the data correctly etc etc

    Don't take my word for it....here's the rober kock explanation.


    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rki.de%2FDE%2FContent%2FInfAZ%2FN%2FNeuartiges_Coronavirus%2FFallzahlen.html

    Notes on recording and publishing COVID 19 case numbers:
    In Germany, around 400 health authorities electronically transmit pseudonymized data on confirmed COVID 19 cases to the federal states at least once a day (in the current situation even more frequently) on the basis of the Infection Protection Act. These in turn transmit the data on the COVID-19 cases electronically to the RKI. The data status 00:00 a.m. has been used for reporting since 03/18/2020.
    The number of cases of sick and deceased are updated on the website after a short check once a day - in the morning each time.
    On the other hand, the RKI publishes daily situation reports on COVID-19, which also contain case numbers: www.rki.de/covid-19-situationsbericht . The case numbers from the management report relate to the same data status, i.e. 00:00 each time.
    There is a certain period of time between the becoming known of a case on site, the notification to the health authority, the entry of the data in the software, the transmission to the responsible state authority and from there to the RKI. According to the requirements in the Infection Protection Act, this can be two to three working days. In the current situation, the transmission is much faster than in routine operation because data is processed faster. The fact that some cases are recorded electronically in the health department with a delay is also due to the fact that the health authorities first have to carry out investigations into the individual cases and their contact persons and that priority must be given to infection control measures, which is already taking up a lot of the resources of the health authorities. The data at the RKI are also validated in order to publish reliable data. There may also be slight delays within this process.


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  • #2182
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Lots of noticeable suitcase activity in my apartment block this week. Can only assume, those who lost jobs are moving in with friends and others that are leaving are going back home.


  • #2183
    AlmightyCushion
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Think this was posted at some point but here you go again.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1240396106917347335

    The death and healed rates largely correlate. If a country has low number of deaths, the number of healed are low too. If it has a high number of deaths, then the number of healed are high as well. This could indicate that northern countries have a low death rate because they have a lot of newer cases that haven't fully completed yet. Look at our figures. A week ago we only had about 50 cases. If it takes longer than a week from diagnosis to die from this then our deaths are based on roughly about only 50 cases.


  • #2184
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://twitter.com/DanLinden/status/1240650556265369600

    Looks like New York is the next big epicentre of this pandemic, I think it has overtaken Madrid in numbers now.


  • #2185
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    AdamD wrote: »
    Sorry but I am not socially distancing myself from the people I live with. If one of us gets it, the four of us do. But the four of us aren't in contact with anyone else, the only place we've gone to all week is the supermarket. That's social distancing.

    There could be nothing wrong with a group of 3 or 4 people walking together, if they live together what bloody difference does it make?

    It doesn't ,
    If one member of the family get it they all have to quarantine, a lot of these families parents are probably working from home or sadly at home with the family because of no work.
    One people are not mixing with others they are doing there but to help


  • #2186
    What Username Guidelines
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    scamalert wrote: »
    would be more interesting to see how many recover, clearly early cases should be dropping out now, as seems this follows similar path of flu, so many people after 1-2 weeks should be cleared, but seems most stats are very slow to report it.

    Italy reported just over 1,000 recoveries yesterday, hopefully a trend that continues for them.


  • #2187
    antodeco
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Lots of noticeable suitcase activity in my apartment block this week. Can only assume, those who lost jobs are moving in with friends and others that are leaving are going back home.

    Could it be the students going back home after their colleges are shut?


  • #2188
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    take everything wrote: »
    I just discovered there's a projectile vomiting emoji.
    This is amazing
    Fawning OTT West Brit tomfoolery has a way of inducing it


  • #2189
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    jarvis wrote: »
    I manage a supermarket and have been working every day. We’re doing our best at social distancing and it’s my number one priority. It comes before stock on shelves. Colleague and customer safety is far far far more important.
    In terms of at home. My wife was laid off and is home with the two kids and they’re basically in lockdown to the house except for a walk.
    I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I will get it at some stage. And I will infect the two kids and my wife. We will be fine I’m sure. The self imposed semi lockdown is for the protection of others. Especially my wife’s parents.

    I see nothing wrong with the four of us walking together outside as long as we’re distant from others.
    This may be the wrong approach but it makes sense to me.
    this here, someone in my family does the same overlooks entire retail operations, they have to go in no matter what, risk is on the family, but reality is everyone in our family taken approach that we will have to get it eventually no way around it, one parent already sick with flu - no way of knowing, this BS where people imagine that someone will completely isolate themselves in their own home with family around or wont leave home if they need is total BS, keeping distance is more then enough its not freaking ebola, unless one goes licking every footpath were doing quite well compared to other countries, but reality is prob many more have it already, but since testing seems like mission in itself most wont get it done, unless they do fall into high risk category.


  • #2190
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    The death and healed rates largely correlate. If a country has low number of deaths, the number of healed are low too. If it has a high number of deaths, then the number of healed are high as well. This could indicate that northern countries have a low death rate because they have a lot of newer cases that haven't fully completed yet. Look at our figures. A week ago we only had about 50 cases. If it takes longer than a week from diagnosis to die from this then our deaths are based on roughly about only 50 cases.


    I would say that is an accurate assessment of the situation. They don't count cases unless they are electronically entered into the system via etc etc. Horsesh!t.

    Here's the full situation report for Germany for those interested. I reserve judgement for what's going on there but it doesn't add. Epidemics are as much about maths as they are about medicine. Maths doesn't lie. Viruses can mutate and effect different ethnicities differently but that does not explain this discrepancy.

    Time will reveal all.

    German situation Report

    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-03-19-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile


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  • #2191
    Cilldara_2000
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Think this was posted at some point but here you go again.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1240396106917347335

    Pure BS. Data that fits his "conclusion" shoehorned in (EG France is not Southern Europe by any reasonable metric) and data doesn't fit left out (EG why not former Yugoslavia, Denmark and all the other countries included).


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