CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/jared-kushner-coronavirus-fake-news

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/politics/kushner-trump-coronavirus.html


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-awakens-to-the-covid-19-danger

I really don't want to defend Trump, the man is a buffoon but outlets like Vanity fair lying about him to score political points in a time of crisis is disgusting.

Now that Trump is engaged and the crisis is accelerating—the Dow dropped nearly 3,000 points on Monday—Republicans fear he is operating without a playbook at a time when one is desperately needed. On Sunday night, with no unified message coming from the government, rumors swirled online that Trump would imminently announce a national lockdown (the White House tweeted that the rumor was false). But several former White House officials told me they believed the rumor to be true. “This is not what he likes to do,” a former West Wing official said. “There’s no boogeyman he can attack.” On Monday, Trump reportedly told governors they’re on their own. “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment—try getting it yourselves,” Trump said on a conference call, according to the New York Times.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-awakens-to-the-covid-19-danger

"Trump told governors they're on their own" and a shortened quote to prove the lie, when Trump actually went on to say:

“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself,”

"Trump told governors they're on their own" vs "We will be backing you"

How is that anything other than dishonest reporting? He's clearly saying that he doesn't think the Federal government being in the supply chain is a good idea, it will only slow things down and make it more complicated, but the Federal Government is supporting them.

Now if you have in depth experience in securing vital medical equipment in times of crisis and you have good evidence that the Federal government should be actually doing the purchasing and then distributing the equipment then by all means disagree with Trump, but this sort of deliberately twisting things is toxic.

cnocbui wrote: »

'Shut yourself in a room with the window open.' It was 2° last night - no thanks.

You can't go outside during the day, so instead open a window to circulate fresh air... It does not say anywhere you must sleep with the window open.

I'm now seeing why maybe more measures might be a good idea for this country... the lack of common sense is astounding sometimes.

And the person asking about self-isolation can go to boards.ie and ask random people on the internet rather than following the advice being put out on every form of available media - Call your GP (if you can reach them), check the HSE website, etc...

murpho999 wrote: »

Testing people without symptoms will not resolve anything and it's a waste of a kit which are finite.

If you show symptoms, isolate and contact your GP and then decide if you need a test.

Testing people without symptoms does not help. A doctor was on Newstalk earlier with Pat Kenny earlier explaining this.

Exactly. This is not Carlsberg containment!

gabeeg wrote: »

If you look at the the countries that constitute the South, they're all much further along this than those in the North.

I just think we're looking at it having taken hold earlier in southern countries than in Northern ones.

Possibly because of warmer climates and so more tourism - earlier and more frequent airplane delivery?

pH wrote: »

I really don't want to defend Trump, the man is a buffoon but outlets like Vanity fair lying about him to score political points in a time of crisis is disgusting.

Now that Trump is engaged and the crisis is accelerating—the Dow dropped nearly 3,000 points on Monday—Republicans fear he is operating without a playbook at a time when one is desperately needed. On Sunday night, with no unified message coming from the government, rumors swirled online that Trump would imminently announce a national lockdown (the White House tweeted that the rumor was false). But several former White House officials told me they believed the rumor to be true. “This is not what he likes to do,” a former West Wing official said. “There’s no boogeyman he can attack.” On Monday, Trump reportedly told governors they’re on their own. “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment—try getting it yourselves,” Trump said on a conference call, according to the New York Times.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-awakens-to-the-covid-19-danger

"Trump told governors they're on their own" and a shortened quote to prove the lie, when Trump actually went on to say:

“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself,”

"Trump told governors they're on their own" vs "We will be backing you"

How is that anything other than dishonest reporting? He's clearly saying that he doesn't think the Federal government being in the supply chain is a good idea, it will only slow things down and make it more complicated, but the Federal Government is supporting them.

Now if you have in depth experience in securing vital medical equipment in times of crisis and you have good evidence that the Federal government should be actually doing the purchasing and then distributing the equipment then by all means disagree with Trump, but this sort of deliberately twisting things is toxic.

Good post. This is going to be lost on some people though.
Haters gonna hate

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToF8O5T86s

Great video on why mass testing and isolating infected is essential. This is a YouTube station that’s used by medical students in USA. Also the guy talking works in a hospital ( not as a janitor either ). He’s also done videos about patients being treated and the effects on the body.

Minute 5-6.45 is very technical stuff that I don’t understand and the stuff after is more about potential treatments that none of us will understand or get much out of. I suppose it does show that there are signs that there might be ways of reducing the impact of the virus in advance of a cure which would be nice to think.

Also has a link to HSE website on these videos which is great. I find this stuff interesting, most might not to be fair.

Mass testing is important.

But mandatory isolation after returning from abroad is probably more important and we've missed the boat on that in Ireland. Thousands flying in from hotspots and then likely going to work, on public transport and so on. So a real failure to enforce that which could be costly.

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The deluded nonsensical opinions of 'the leader of the free world' keep appearing here... like what the seasonal effect will be on the spread of the virus (It will all be gone by April etc.)

And Boris Johnston's mishandling of the pandemic will have a huge effect here because viruses do not respect borders.

All very relevant IMHO

Hang on According to posters like Aegir, Boris has not mishandled this, "the UK are implementing measure that suits them at their own rate". You just have an axe to grind against the UK because you are obviously anti brexit and want to get one over on the Brits.

It seems Boris has no intention of restricting travel in and out of London. Yet Aegir still asks how the UK approach could possibbly undermine ours.

Comedy Gold

We are all using a lot of water these days.
Everyone is at home, washing hands for 20 seconds, cooking from scratch, cleaning the house, doing more laundry.
Can the Government increase the total free water allowance before we are charged by Irish Water for extra usage over the limit?

Cw85 wrote: »

In bed dying with tonsillitis, worst thing is that all the symptoms are nearly the same as the virus. I get tonsillitis however every three months so knew what was coming

Ok silly question why don't you get your tonsils out?
I had horrendous time for a year or two in my 20s with tonsillitis,had them removed it wasn't pleasant but no issue since.

murpho999 wrote: »

For reference for what purpose. This is not time for a statistical study project.

Keep tests for those who show symptoms.

If you don't have symptoms then you don't need to be tested.

Testing in non symptomatic patients in Italy has thrown up a large cohort of asymptomatic carriers. This further reinforces the need for social isolation measures.

murpho999 wrote: »

Testing people without symptoms will not resolve anything and it's a waste of a kit which are finite.

If you show symptoms, isolate and contact your GP and then decide if you need a test.

Testing people without symptoms does not help. A doctor was on Newstalk earlier with Pat Kenny earlier explaining this.

The Expert WHO China group said that the Chinese found that the asymptomatic positive people eventually became symptomatic, except in very rare cases.

The phrase they used was that the epidemic was a pyramid and not an iceberg.

Perhaps as we get to know more about the virus that opinion may change.