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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1652
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Mortgages are to be frozen. Most people still working. If not then they get 200 euro a week. Buy groceries and wait it out like suggested.

    What else do you need the money for? Planning on a new car or a holiday? How about a shopping spree?

    This is at the moment.

    I'm talking a worst case scenario, with this pandemic lasting for a long time. A "mortgage freeze" won't be good enough.

    Seriously, this isn't hard to understand.


  • #1653
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And yet you managed to when I "coaxed" you. We can all learn from the why but we learn more about posters without it!

    So a poster claims that only over 70s can get it, I answer that that is false (and anyone following this pandemic knows that for a fact) and you have a problem with my post?
    I don’t follow you.


  • #1654
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Mortgages are to be frozen. Most people still working. If not then they get 200 euro a week. Buy groceries and wait it out like suggested.

    What else do you need the money for? Planning on a new car or a holiday? How about a shopping spree?

    Internet is a killer for shopping sprees


  • #1655
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Genuinely curious about this...

    Giving what we know and with the information we have, with a BALANCED VIEW, when do others see places like Cafes, Bars, Clubs, Barbers etc opening back up?

    Never. Because everyone will stop wanting food, drink and haircuts when we become a third world country after the virus.


  • #1656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Mortgages are to be frozen. Most people still working. If not then they get 200 euro a week. Buy groceries and wait it out like suggested.

    What else do you need the money for? Planning on a new car or a holiday? How about a shopping spree?


    Atm, rent.


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  • #1657
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    You can isolate the old and vulnerable, not shut down the entire economy and cause a 1929 level depression.
    Most people in their 50s will survive it, there will be the odd case of someone who is a heavy smoker or is already sick in some way dying.

    Ever thought of running for Taoiseach, or fuhrer...??


  • #1658
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Spain isn't even locked down enough.

    People should be entirely house bound.
    Army, Police and Health Care workers should deliver daily rations and meds.
    Dogs should be taken to a converted stadium for kenneling.


  • #1659
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Tony EH wrote: »
    This is at the moment.

    I'm talking a worst case scenario, with this pandemic lasting for a long time. A "mortgage freeze" won't be good enough.

    Seriously, this isn't hard to understand.

    If it goes onto were we cant keep stuff frozen then id say we will just have to except a high number dying and just get on with life


  • #1660
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    I suppose when it's all over we will question whether this was worth shutting down our economy, making 200k people unemployed and putting the country back into recession for years to come.

    Weekend estimates of people to be layed off work are not matching the social welfares numbers of people who have taken the emergency payment.
    Only one or two reporters have questioned why ,is it because of backlog answer was no.
    Any reason why more employer's going down the root of paying the payment themselves and taking deferring of the paye payment.


  • #1661
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Never. Because everyone will stop wanting food, drink and haircuts when we become a third world country after the virus.

    Good job I'm balding so

    *Receding hairline...I'm not Claire Balding


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  • #1662
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    They will get the Darwin award. After all is over we will end up only with mostly younger people over 100 IQ.
    :/:(


  • #1663
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If people have no income, what will they use to pay mortgages, rents and bills with? Plus buy food and whatnot.

    This isn't difficult to understand.

    People will get by, albeit with great difficulty.

    But here's the thing. Things will recover eventually. The economy can be rebuilt. You can't bring back anybody that has died.

    Life has to take priority over the economy.


  • #1664
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Jin luk wrote: »
    U need a permit to leave the house in italy spain germany and france

    No you don't.


  • #1665
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    No you don't.

    Yes u do


  • #1666
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Genuinely curious about this...

    Giving what we know and with the information we have, with a BALANCED VIEW, when do others see places like Cafes, Bars, Clubs, Barbers etc opening back up?

    My best guess would be in several months. But then only for a while. This will probably not be the last time we go into a degree of lockdown.
    We'll need a vaccine and/or treatments to break the cycle and get back to whatever normal is.


  • #1667
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    People will get by, albeit with great difficulty.

    But here's the thing. Things will recover eventually. The economy can be rebuilt. You can't bring back anybody that has died.

    Life has to take priority over the economy.

    I agree completely.


  • #1668
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Jin luk wrote: »
    U need a permit to leave the house in italy spain germany and france

    I live in Germany. Bavaria specifically which is the state that appears to be reacting the strongest. First I have heard of any "permits". Do tell me more as I knock off for lunch in 35 minutes and planned to spend my lunch break doing my daily tasks in the Harry Potter Mobile Phone game.


  • #1669
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Genuinely curious about this...

    Giving what we know and with the information we have, with a BALANCED VIEW, when do others see places like Cafes, Bars, Clubs, Barbers etc opening back up?

    Your asking for a lot there horse. A handful of reasoned posters drowned out by two groups, one with a let it kill whoever is needed so their pockets won't be hit and another absolutely **** themselves silly in excitement at the drama, the worse the crisis gets the better, there's some I'd say would nearly be disappointed if we didn't require a lockdown, soldiers on the streets threatening lads at gunpoint and end of days like panic and despair


  • #1670
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    This is at the moment.

    I'm talking a worst case scenario, with this pandemic lasting for a long time. A "mortgage freeze" won't be good enough.

    Seriously, this isn't hard to understand.

    It's a developing situation. Government and the eu will continue to change policy as the situation develops.
    In the meantime keep calm

    I'm not sure why you keep throwing out this isn't hard to understand. Worst case scenario as you seem to be so worried about is that all businesses put on lockdown. You won't have anywhere to spend your savings on.


  • #1671
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yes I agree. One other thing that this study demonstrates is the importance of going to hospital earlier. The people who survived versus those who ultimately succumbed to the virus, went to hospital on average 3 days early than those that died.
    [...]
    Don't be a hero.
    Before you encourage everyone to rush to the hospital (not saying I disagree with the overall notion that earlier treatment increases your chances) but if I'm reading your chart correctly, doesn't it suggest that those who waited longer to go to hospital are more likely to survive? (Not that correlation implies causation, obviously, it's reasonable to interpret it as the harder hit needing to go to hospital sooner).


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  • #1672
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Good job I'm balding so

    *Receding hairline...I'm not Claire Balding

    Good job you clarified that, I'd be worried if you were Claire Balding and balding!ðŸ˜


  • #1673
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Yes u do
    I'm in Spain and went to the local store to queue up with others this morning.
    We are allowed to go out for groceries, meds and dog walking.


  • #1674
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    beolight wrote: »
    Any photoshop folk with some spare time able to change his beverage of choice to Corona?
    Here you go


  • #1675
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    I live in Germany. Bavaria specifically which is the state that appears to be reacting the strongest. First I have heard of any "permits". Do tell me more as I knock off for lunch in 35 minutes and planned to spend my lunch break doing my daily tasks in the Harry Potter Mobile Phone game.

    You're talking to a poster that wrote this:
    Jin luk wrote: »
    If it goes onto were we cant keep stuff frozen then id say we will just have to except a high number dying and just get on with life


    I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.


  • #1676
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If this lasts for a long time, they might have to look into something like this. Without it, we're condemning a huge number of folk to a hardship they'll have extreme difficulty recovering from.

    There's a real prospect of people's savings being wiped out with this. No job, no savings, no home, no future...

    Helicopter money alone won't help.

    I think the people who got let go are being treated completely unfairly.
    This is not their fault. They did not cause this. They are being sacrificed for the greater good.

    The government really needs to step up and ensure no-one goes without during this crisis. It is a crisis and the reason we are taking this approach is to increase our odds of survival. When the economy reboots there will be jobs.

    If they don't the social contract is broken and people will act out. We are literally all in this together.

    The department of social welfare with all of their complicated procedures designed to make X% of people to drop off during an application at different stages need to stop hindering people in getting compensated.


  • #1677
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Lads, if a friend is showing symptoms from yesterday and I was around him on Monday do I need to self isolate, or do I only need to self isolate if I was around someone who is symptomatic?


  • #1678
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    I'm in Spain and went to the local store to queue up with others this morning.
    We are allowed to go out for groceries, meds and dog walking.

    But u need to sign a permit to say youre doing 1 of those things to leave the house no? Or is not in spain yet?


  • #1679
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    According to SO'R (earlier) there is expected to be an announcement from the the Dept of Education later this morning. Possibly about extending school closures?


  • #1680
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Lads, if a friend is showing symptoms from yesterday and I was around him on Monday do I need to self isolate, or do I only need to self isolate if I was around someone who is symptomatic?

    Many of us here are pretty much self isolating and we don't have any symptoms or known exposure to anyone else with symptoms, so I think you can guess what the answer will be

    Good luck with it though


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  • #1681
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Jin luk wrote: »
    But u need to sign a permit to say youre doing 1 of those things to leave the house no? Or is not in spain yet?
    No.
    You need some sort of document from your employer if you're heading to work.


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