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Western Rail Corridor / Rail Trail Discussion

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  • #2072
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    24 February 2020
    Bus Transfers will operate between Gort and Athenry until further notice Services between Gort and Athenry are operating as bus transfers until further notice, due to flooding at Kiltartan. Iarnród Éireann apologise for any inconvenience caused.



    https://www.irishrail.ie/news/service-updates

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  • #2073
    serfboard
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    24 February 2020
    Bus Transfers will operate between Gort and Athenry until further notice
    Already posted literally two posts previous ...


  • #2074
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    serfboard wrote: »
    Not just today:

    This is what you get when you do a half-arsed job and insist that the track must follow the "traditional" alignment.

    I dont get your whinge in this instance.

    The track was still in (infrequent) use and fully in Irish Rail ownership.

    A relatively cheap upgrade.


  • #2075
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    loyatemu wrote: »
    is this the spot where the line was closed for 5 months a couple of years back?

    No thats below Ennis, expect that to flood and stay flooded. Unless they have done remedial works.


  • #2076
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭serfboard


    easypazz wrote: »
    A relatively cheap upgrade.
    'Twas indeed, and it has all the signs of it. Apart from being 40 minutes or more slower than the bus, it is currently out of use.


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  • #2077
    ohographite
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://galwaydaily.com/news/bus-transfers-operating-on-all-galway-limerick-rail-services-today/

    Bus transfers on all services today between Gort and Athenry because of flooding

    The irony here being the emergency bus service being faster and more efficient than the normal service

    The bus will not be faster if it has to stop in Ardrahan and Craughwell.


  • #2078
    serfboard
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    ohographite wrote: »
    The bus will not be faster if it has to stop in Ardrahan and Craughwell.
    It will have to stop in Ardrahan and Craughwell to fulfill its service obligations. And the most direct road route between Ardrahan and Craughwell is the R347 - a twisty, godawful road.


  • #2079
    dowlingm
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    serfboard wrote: »
    This is what you get when you do a half-arsed job and insist that the track must follow the "traditional" alignment.
    The line could have been elevated at Kiltartan (Same place it flooded right before service recommenced) and done without two level crossings to boot - but then it wouldn’t have been possible to do it for the barebones budget the WRC people extracted from government (and even if they had the line could still close between Ennis and Limerick anyway given that section’s history of closures)


  • #2080
    [Deleted User]
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    Irish Rail warns bus transfers between Athenry and Limerick may remain for ‘long time’

    https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/irish-rail-warns-bus-transfers-between-athenry-and-limerick-may-remain-for-long-time/


  • #2081
    Isambard
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    serfboard wrote: »
    It will have to stop in Ardrahan and Craughwell to fulfill its service obligations. And the most direct road route between Ardrahan and Craughwell is the R347 - a twisty, godawful road.

    maybe it's not a case of "it" but more that one of the replacement buses must call there, but the others , if there are more than one, can go direct. Or send the handful of passengers for those stations off in a taxi or two


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  • #2082
    Greaney
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    Isambard wrote: »
    maybe it's not a case of "it" but more that one of the replacement buses must call there, but the others , if there are more than one, can go direct. Or send the handful of passengers for those stations off in a taxi or two

    I'd say they'll need buses. A huge amount of their passangers are students. I known 25+ get off in Athenry for school/college etc. Dunno about third level in Galway but since they slashed the prices for students, numbers shot up and are now stay at home students, choosing to go to Galway or Limerick. Indeed, I know of students who cannot afford accommdation in Galway and are renting in Athenry and getting the train because it's a more affordable option.


  • #2083
    Muckyboots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Muckyboots


    The UK gov refused £100m (loan) to a company that facilitates vital regional connectivity to and from 56 cities and large towns there. Do we really believe that the Irish government will lump a similar amount to connect three small towns in the west of Ireland?


  • #2084
    galwaytt
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    serfboard wrote: »
    It will have to stop in Ardrahan and Craughwell to fulfill its service obligations. And the most direct road route between Ardrahan and Craughwell is the R347 - a twisty, godawful road.

    A bus won't pass the R347 from Craughwell to Ardrahan at this bridge: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.1679475,-8.7854726,3a,75y,352.7h,83.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_H-IMoH5_ZP7A6oFLW8XnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

    I've seen buses come as far as it and then having to reverse up and U-turn.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #2085
    galwaytt
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    Lord Glentoran wrote: »
    The policy was simply to build as many Mosherways as possible irrespective of the cost. That’s why inline services were neglected.

    We need motorways, and we are still not finished needing them. Limerick - Cork is a decade overdue, and the road a safety nightmare.

    There is more to Ireland than chucking billions at the area in & around the M50.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #2086
    donvito99
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    We need motorways, and we are still not finished needing them. Limerick - Cork is a decade overdue, and the road a safety nightmare.

    There is more to Ireland than chucking billions at the area in & around the M50.

    Aside from the M50, the motorways/DCs approaching the M50 and their junctions, I think its fair to say that the majority of the billions have been "chucked" in places other than Dublin.


  • #2087
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Muckyboots wrote: »
    The UK gov refused £100m (loan) to a company that facilitates vital regional connectivity to and from 56 cities and large towns there. Do we really believe that the Irish government will lump a similar amount to connect three small towns in the west of Ireland?

    A bit OT but the loan was challenged by other airlines as unfair assistance, so was blocked.


  • #2088
    Muckyboots
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    A bit OT but the loan was challenged by other airlines as unfair assistance, so was blocked.

    The loan was objected to by other carriers and was renaged on (like most of Boris's promises to date) and not blocked. It never got to reach that point. I'd imagine bus operators running along the WRC would feel the same about a €100m lump thrown at something that at best would only eat into their public service business.


  • #2089
    serfboard
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    A bus won't pass the R347 from Craughwell to Ardrahan at this bridge: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.1679475,-8.7854726,3a,75y,352.7h,83.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_H-IMoH5_ZP7A6oFLW8XnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

    I've seen buses come as far as it and then having to reverse up and U-turn.
    The irony being that the bridge in question is ... the railway bridge!

    I wonder what route the bus is taking instead? If anyone on here who advocates for the service actually used it, we could ask them!


  • #2090
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Muckyboots wrote: »
    The loan was objected to by other carriers and was renaged on (like most of Boris's promises to date) and not blocked. It never got to reach that point. I'd imagine bus operators running along the WRC would feel the same about a €100m lump thrown at something that at best would only eat into their public service business.

    it's not as if they haven't benefited from massive infrastructural investment themselves in the form of the motor ways, so they have little to nothing to be whining about really.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2091
    eastwest
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    I see that this weeks Connacht Tribune has the leaks from the rail report.
    What took them so long? That info has been doing the rounds for two months at least.
    "Review sees no future for rail" it says.
    So, tell us something new.


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  • #2092
    ShaneC1600
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    eastwest wrote: »
    I see that this weeks Connacht Tribune has the leaks from the rail report.
    What took them so long? That info has been doing the rounds for two months at least.
    "Review sees no future for rail" it says.
    So, tell us something new.

    I went and got the Connacht Tribune on the back of this post only to find it's just more spoof. Paper doesn't refuse ink I suppose. Some people have way to much time on their hands. I'm surprised the TH didnt print the same crap! At a time when the country is in crisis people actually waste time writing this crap for the papers.


  • #2093
    eastwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    ShaneC1600 wrote: »
    I went and got the Connacht Tribune on the back of this post only to find it's just more spoof. Paper doesn't refuse ink I suppose. Some people have way to much time on their hands. I'm surprised the TH didnt print the same crap! At a time when the country is in crisis people actually waste time writing this crap for the papers.
    It just echoes the leaks that have been dripping out of DTTAS for a couple of months, and that are getting more prevalent in the last couple of weeks.
    Two things are absolutely certain. Firstly, there isn't a single rumour around the Dail or the Department that contradicts this information. And secondly, if there was any positive news in the report, the west on track politicians in the Dail would be singing it from the rooftops.
    There is apparently a push by some people in the Dept to get this report released before the government formation cards fall Sean Canney's way and he manages to shut it down again. I imagine this particular leak is part of that move.


  • #2094
    westtip
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    Hope all are well, so this is it folks, with the spend currently on CV19 we can all rest assured, no railway, no greenway, no velorail. no more arguments or disagreements. No money, simple as, stay well stay protected and practice safe social distancing, which probably also means the birth rate will drop.


  • #2095
    [Deleted User]
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    westtip wrote: »
    which probably also means the birth rate will drop.

    I was thinking the opposite, it's going to sky rocket because there's f all else to do


  • #2096
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    westtip wrote: »
    Hope all are well, so this is it folks, with the spend currently on CV19 we can all rest assured, no railway, no greenway, no velorail. no more arguments or disagreements. No money, simple as, stay well stay protected and practice safe social distancing, which probably also means the birth rate will drop.

    Nice post. A fitting end to the thread because you are absolutely right.


  • #2097
    Isambard
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was thinking the opposite, it's going to sky rocket because there's f all else to do

    not if you have to stay 2 metres apart.....I mean , mine would hardly reach.


  • #2098
    eastwest
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    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Nice post. A fitting end to the thread because you are absolutely right.
    But but but but...
    They have the LUAS up in Dublin!


  • #2099
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Quote: DaCor

    I was thinking the opposite, it's going to sky rocket because there's f all else to do


    Well there’s always the rigging...


  • #2100
    eastwest
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    Lord Glentoran wrote: »
    Quote: DaCor

    I was thinking the opposite, it's going to sky rocket because there's f all else to do


    Well there’s always the rigging...


    Or the planking, even.


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  • #2101
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    westtip wrote: »
    Hope all are well, so this is it folks, with the spend currently on CV19 we can all rest assured, no railway, no greenway, no velorail. no more arguments or disagreements. No money, simple as, stay well stay protected and practice safe social distancing, which probably also means the birth rate will drop.

    Whilst I agree a rail and velo solution are dead in the water, once we're out of CV-19 they'll be looking for 'schemes' left/right/centre to put people on & money into, to reduce the Live Register.

    A Greenway would soak up a few bodies for a while.

    CV-19 isn't the end of everything: it's a (big) Pause on everything.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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