CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

kona wrote: »

Maybe she should go sell the coverage to skysports. Get that lovely ppv money....

I'm sure most people would be happy to pay the price of a years subscription to Sky Sports for a cure now.

is_that_so wrote: »

Irish Distillers stepping up.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0319/1124084-irish-distillers-gel/

Interesting how each country can leverage its own specialty! (in France it is LVMH turning its perfume production lines into gel production lines - here we have whiskey :-))

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Not more of this Herd Immunity bolloxollogy...

Up to 20% will need hospitalisation. 5%+ will need ICU treatment.

It will swamp the health system and mean those with other life threatening illnesses that are not Covid-19 will be impacted. Some fatally. More health workers will get it and be put out of commission.

People will be scared and won't go to work. People will stay at home and look after sick relatives.

The economy will collapse anyway.

There is a reason the British rowed back on Herd Immunity.

The choice we have is take the pain now or eke it out and destroy the fabric of our society.

Up to 2% will need hospitalization, most of those are in the over 65 and underlying condition category, of course there are exceptions. Up to 90% won't know they have it .

facehugger99 wrote: »

People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.

You would need to quarantine between 20-30% of the population.

I'm absolutely serious.

That's the rate of hospitalization of this disease. Anyone immunocompromized, or over 50 may be hospitalized. Reliable projections place that between 20-30% of the population. Of these people about 10% would be expected to die.

It would also be hard for people who fall into the categories of being immunocompromized or over 50 from successfully quarantining themselves if there was no cohesive effort.

You are 52 with crohn's disease. You are going to drop your kids off at school, but then you realize that they might pick up covid-19 at school, but you can't pull them out of school unilaterally. You aren't over 70 so you don't feel entitled to put your foot down, so you're just going to have to risk it, right? That's the situation that many people would have found themselves in, and we know how that would have gone, ultimately.

The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual threat.
It's mostly:
- men
- that smoke
- over 70
That are most susceptible. Isolate them (if they want it) and let the rest of the economy work.
In 2017 tuberculosis killed 6 million people and nobody covered it. It's selective.

I suspect that the market was about to crash already and Americans are just using the virus as an excuse.

I think everybody with any sort of symptoms just panics now. I do have a bit of a cough but I also have a runny nose and know myself I get this a lot so it isn't the virus but still am anxious.

It's a shocking situation we are in really, it's going to cause people a lot of stress and worry

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s a bit different from tweeting updates of a person’s final hours including their symptoms. Posting death notices on social media is nothing new. What this woman did is very different.

To be perfectly blunt what gives you the right to be so judgemental about how someone else deals with a horrific situation?

I read those tweets- it began because a bed bound woman with a very limited and known number of visitors still got infected. That was the point. How easy it was. And I, for one, think that was a damn valuable message to share.

We have had many many requests here for someone who is infected to share their symptoms so people know what to look for.

'This woman' thought her mother was 'safe' as she was so isolated. Turns out her mother wasn't isolated enough and 'this woman' decided to get that message out.
'This woman' was living the nightmare and she chose to let people know in a few tweets what that was like. And it was a few tweets.

If I was in that situation I would do the exact same thing because it might just get the message through to one person how easy it is for the vulnerable to get infected and die.

There are people in this country who deserve to be scorned - those who are price gouging, those who are ignoring social distancing, those who will use a crises to their advantage - a woman who in her despair and grief wrote a few tweets about what happened to her mother is not one of them.

Have we run out of compassion already?

facehugger99 wrote: »

For the vast majority of people the 'cure' will be way worse than the disease.

Hundreds of thousands on the dole queues, tax receipts down the toilet and investments into critical services will have to be drastically slashed. The coming recession will kill way more people than the virus - just over a longer period and without the newspaper headlines.

People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.

That seems harsh, but I agree everybody over 70 and in the high risk group should have been quarantined. I am in the high risk group and have to lock myself away for 3 months, should have been enforced a month ago too late for a lot of people now.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why are the British rowing back on Herd Immunity if it is "so perfect"?

Perhaps because it will destroy the NHS and lead to the economy collapsing anyway?

Who are you quoting here as a matter of interest?

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual threat.
It's mostly:
- men
- that smoke
- over 70
That are most susceptible. Isolate them (if they want it) and let the rest of the economy work.
In 2017 tuberculosis killed 6 million people and nobody covered it. It's selective.

I suspect that the market was about to crash already and Americans are just using the virus as an excuse.

Yeah, the killer virus that infects quickly and kills indiscriminately is just a bit too convenient isn't.

Blueshoe wrote: »

McWilliams saying on pat Kenny show that there is 750 billion available to hand to euro folk to spend in order to keep the economies moving. People need to spend and not hoard . Helicopter money. Hong Kong did it successfully. The Us considering it. The European Central bank gave the green light to dish it out.
Up to Paschal now.

Hong Kong gave each citizen about 1500 quid in a one off payment. That would cover a month for most people in Ireland.

Then what.

As well as "helicopter money" for people's immediate spending purposes, I think government needs to look at a portion of debt forgiveness. Write off some of the debt that people owe and give people some breathing room to get back on track.

When all this blows over and people are still struggling to pay mortgages, rents and bills, we'll see some very real hardships happening.

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual threat.
It's mostly:
- men
- that smoke
- over 70
That are most susceptible. Isolate them (if they want it) and let the rest of the economy work.
In 2017 tuberculosis killed 6 million people and nobody covered it. It's selective.

I suspect that the market was about to crash already and Americans are just using the virus as an excuse.

Are you willfully ignoring the news?

Have you seen what is happening in Italy? Do you know that people in their 50s that need a respirator to survive are being denied one because it is needed by someone younger?

This is why there is a crisis. It is probably coming to Ireland, the US, the UK, etc. It is already in Spain.

Our public health system can't cope if it is that bad here.