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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1412
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    threeball wrote: »
    Whats with the death that was basically being reported live on twitter last night. Was she an attention seeker or what. There has being no mention anywhere.

    It can take a day or two to get reported (officially).


  • #1413
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭threeball


    deisedevil wrote: »
    yes, the restricted criteria thing is getting thrown around the whole time. It's ridiculous that at this stage they are refusing to test people because they weren't in "affected region", Ireland is an affected region and community transmission is rampant at this stage. Also, depending on who you get on the phone, you may or may not be tested. There's no consistency at all. It's extremely unclear. For the sake of those trying to manage patients and those displaying symptoms there badly needs to be some clarity around testing asap.

    I know someone in ICU who was saying that they can start to see it ramping up now and everyone in there has the feeling that this is about to really kick off.

    300,000 test kits arrive today. The new centres of testing are being rolled out too. Croke park was the prototype and then learn the lessons over the last few days there. Our main bottleneck is capacity to test which sits at 900 and this won't change easily


  • #1414
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭jackboy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The victim complex is amazing.

    There will be a massive bill to be paid when all this is over and deciding who pays it will be the biggest task for the new government.

    The current task of dealing with the virus is so daunting that nobody wants to form a government.


  • #1415
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    threeball wrote: »
    300,000 test kits arrive today. The new centres of testing are being rolled out too. Croke park was the prototype and then learn the lessons over the last few days there. Our main bottleneck is capacity to test which sits at 900 and this won't change easily

    I think it's 30,000 kits.


  • #1416
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭threeball


    walshb wrote: »
    Anyone on social media posting about a death of a loved one before loved one is even cold, is just odd..

    Seems nothing in our world is sacred or out of bounds, or just plain old private...

    Makes me sad..

    Yes, its a sad world that has cultivated by twitter and facebook. Live tweeting deaths and accidents.


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  • #1417
    deisedevil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    threeball wrote: »
    300,000 test kits arrive today. The new centres of testing are being rolled out too. Croke park was the prototype and then learn the lessons over the last few days there. Our main bottleneck is capacity to test which sits at 900 and this won't change easily

    Was it not 30,000?

    Have more labs gone through test method transfer and been approved to test I wonder? If not we will never have anything close to getting an idea of the real figures. All we will have for certain is the figures of those who have died.


  • #1418
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭threeball


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I think it's 30,000 kits.

    Maybe I misheard.


  • #1419
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    walshb wrote: »
    What?

    It's a bot.


  • #1420
    [Deleted User]
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    China zero new cases.
    Lockdown works.

    When will Leo put us in lockdown? 2 or 3 weeks time maybe

    You've changed your tune

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112831462&postcount=2496


  • #1421
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Akrasia wrote: »
    But dogging is seeing a record increase in popularity

    Notice that on the news last night people weren't carrying out the 2 metres separation.

    May not prevent dogging though.


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  • #1422
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    walshb wrote: »
    Anyone on social media posting about a death of a loved one before loved one is even cold, is just odd..

    Seems nothing in our world is sacred or out of bounds, or just plain old private...

    Makes me sad..

    Playing Devils Advocate, when my grandmother died back in October, one of the toughest parts initially was having to start ringing round loads of people to tell them.

    I can 100% see the benefits of being able to post a message or two to social media and spreading the news that way, than having to spend two hours rininging up everyone and having the same conversation twenty times when all you probably want to do is say it once and move into your own personal grieving process...


  • #1423
    [Deleted User]
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    I’m gonna have a mare of a day.

    Irish water have it turned off for the entire day. That’s the 3rd time in as many weeks!

    And my mobile broadband is stuck on “E”

    :(


  • #1424
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Playing Devils Advocate, when my grandmother died back in October, one of the toughest parts initially was having to start ringing round loads of people to tell them.

    I can 100% see the benefits of being able to post a message or two to social media and spreading the news that way, than having to spend two hours rininging up everyone and having the same conversation twenty times when all you probably want to do is say it once and move into your own personal grieving process...

    I see your point, but for me, something so real and personal and tragic just needs leaving off the internet...

    If you have to ring around. Do so...

    News can spread fairly quickly in more “dignified” ways, too.


  • #1425
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Boggles wrote: »
    I know of one hotel that shut last and is being prepared.

    Apparently they are not short of sites which is a good thing.

    Are you still expecting "lockdown" from tomorrow - with regard those 20 companies?


  • #1426
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    You've changed your tune

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112831462&postcount=2496

    I think at times like this its allowed.

    I would never have been a FG person, nor given leo varadkar any credence, wife the same.

    My opinion of Leo has changed and the current FG leadership.

    Same as the bank bailout and EU as it exists, i would have always been very vocal against it.

    I feel inside me now a sense of security from it.

    The world is in freefall, i doubt anyone is feeling and thinking the same as they used to even if it is day to day.

    If someone two weeks ago had a different opinion and today that has changed lets all get on with it and look after each other.


  • #1427
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    Beasty wrote: »
    I would have no hesitation telling them and informing them it was for their good as well as yours. If no-one tells them they will continue. Once they are told they are much less likely to do it to someone else

    Exactly. My husband is in the high risk category. He wouldn't listen to common sense, until he was asked how many deaths, other than his own, he wanted to cause by risking spreading the virus.

    Sobering, but true!


  • #1428
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Testing, contact tracing, social distancing and isolation of cases is what they are doing. The argument against a full lockdown is that it is not really successfully sustainable for very long and is a last resort option.

    I think it needs to happen now not in 2 weeks when they've seen the data from closing the pubs. If we do it now for 30 days we know who is and isn't sick. Borders need to close at the same time. Anything else is a gamble on the unknown.
    Just off the phone to a friend in omhan, he's at home self isolating as his sinuses are playing up, reckons they have a good handle on it there, closed the borders quickly and only essential shops like food open. They've 39 cases with 2 in hospital. We're already weeks behind that strategy.
    Go hard or go home, only way to stop it.


  • #1429
    SuspectZero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭SuspectZero


    Question someone might be able to shed some light on. There has been a lot of talk about asypmtomatic carriers and I believe the main form of transmission is through aerosol(coughing, sneezing etc) but I've also been reading from legitimate Government and medical sources that exposure requires 10 minutes within 6 feet radius of a coughing infected person to transmit(much like the flu). There is much lower risk of getting it through contact of surfaces and touch so how exactly are asymptomatic people transmitting the virus(when they dont have symptoms like coughing) and spreading the virus in the air? Would it be safe to assume that infection rates would be much lower in asymptomatic people?

    Say the average infection rate of each carrier is 3.5 people, Is it possible that symptomatic people could be responsible for a much higher rate like 6.2 and asymptomatic people with a much lower rate like .8 as an example to illustrate the point?


  • #1430
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Why is the death rate in Germany so low. Over 12000 cases but only 28 deaths.

    Better healthcare facilities.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #1431
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What do you mean?

    What action do they want from the government, the dentists



    Or are they just looking for a handout like the doctors to work during the crisis


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  • #1432
    [Deleted User]
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    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    I think at times like this its allowed.

    I would never have been a FG person, nor given leo varadkar any credence, wife the same.

    My opinion of Leo has changed and the current FG leadership.

    Same as the bank bailout and EU as it exists, i would have always been very vocal against it.

    I feel inside me now a sense of security from it.

    The world is in freefall, i doubt anyone is feeling and thinking the same as they used to even if it is day to day.

    If someone two weeks ago had a different opinion and today that has changed lets all get on with it and look after each other.

    The same poster also has reported having several different types of job from being a non national Facebook employee to someone who deals in the food sector since joining, I take anything they say with a mountain of salt.


  • #1433
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Question someone might be able to shed some light on. There has been a lot of talk about asypmtomatic carriers and I believe the main form of transmission is through aerosol(coughing, sneezing etc) but I've also been reading from legitimate Government and medical sources that exposure requires 10 minutes within 6 feet radius of a coughing infected person to transmit(much like the flu). There is much lower risk of getting it through contact of surfaces and touch so how exactly are asymptomatic people transmitting the virus(when they dont have symptoms like coughing) and spreading the virus in the air? Would it be safe to assume that infection rates would be much lower in asymptomatic people?

    Say the average infection rate of each carrier is 3.5 people, Is it possible that symptomatic people could be responsible for a much higher rate like 6.2 and asymptomatic people with a much lower rate like .8 as an example to illustrate the point?
    Just found this on an Italian town, where they've stopped the spread. The message is test test, test.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19


  • #1434
    MrMusician18
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Better healthcare facilities.

    They are not recording deaths as the virus when there are comorbidities


  • #1435
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    The same poster also has reported having several different types of job from being a non national Facebook employee to someone who deals in the food sector since joining, I take anything they say with a mountain of salt.

    Fair enough


  • #1436
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    walshb wrote: »
    I see your point, but for me, something so real and personal and tragic just needs leaving off the internet...

    If you have to ring around. Do so...

    News can spread fairly quickly in more “dignified” ways, too.

    Key words there "but for me." It didn't happen to you, it happened to someone else. Who is dealing with it as they need to. They're going through enough without being judged for *barely even saying much. It wasn't "live tweeting" the mother's death. It was a hope for swift peace then an announcement she had passed. Some here need to stop making drama out of other people's pain and how they choose to deal.


  • #1437
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I'm wondering in terms of kits, don't you need to test negative twice before you can say you're over it?

    If so, if that were true, you'd need at least 3 tests per person.
    OR do you just ride it out at home and go back after 14 days if you feel ok using your own best judgement?

    If you test positive, you need to stay isolated until you are tested, as many times as are required to prove that you are no longer infectious

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #1438
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,437 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Are you still expecting "lockdown" from tomorrow - with regard those 20 companies?

    For them, yes they are definitely closing down, you can probably multiple that 20 by 5 from what else I have been hearing.

    It's being replicated up and down the country.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0318/1123856-brown-thomas-arnotts/

    As for the governance issuing a "lockdown" they are relying on the HSE whose data is at least 4-6 days behind.

    Just like Paddys Day, people are making the decisions before the government.

    We are being told we will have 14,750 confirmed cases in the next 12 odd days.


  • #1439
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Playing Devils Advocate, when my grandmother died back in October, one of the toughest parts initially was having to start ringing round loads of people to tell them.

    I can 100% see the benefits of being able to post a message or two to social media and spreading the news that way, than having to spend two hours rininging up everyone and having the same conversation twenty times when all you probably want to do is say it once and move into your own personal grieving process...

    That’s a bit different from tweeting updates of a person’s final hours including their symptoms. Posting death notices on social media is nothing new. What this woman did is very different.


  • #1440
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Loughc wrote: »
    Go on Ireland. We’re doing really well. It’s there for the taking now. 6 weeks from now we should be back up and running I’d say.

    With respect to your optimism, this is just crazy talk. If people start thinking like this, at such an early stage of this emergency, this country will be devastated.

    We need to up our vigilance, be ever more careful, unlearn old habits and adopt new covid era routines and habits.

    This thing can only be defeated by massive changes in how we function / interact as a society.

    Nobody likes it but I fear many are in denial or don't quite understand.


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  • #1441
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    You've changed your tune

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112831462&postcount=2496

    What’s the point of posts like this? We are in a very weird, unprecedented situation. People’s minds will shift as it develops.


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