CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 09:46AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Hospitals in this country are services, in the main, not really "businesses". They're not supposed to be about making profit. The "bill" will come from everyone, as per usual.

However, it brings up a good question. Are the public hospitals doing all of the Covid-19 heavy lifting in Ireland I wonder? How much are the private (for profit) hospitals doing? Like the Beacon, Blackrock or Bon Secours?

Think Harris said they will make beds available, along with some hotels close to hospitals.

jackboy · 19-03-2020 09:47AM

Tony EH wrote: »

The "bill" will come from everyone, as per usual.

The bill never comes from everyone. It will be paid by the middle class private workers as usual.

Boggles · 19-03-2020 09:48AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Think Harris said they will make beds available, along with some hotels close to hospitals.

I know of one hotel that shut last and is being prepared.

Apparently they are not short of sites which is a good thing.

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 09:48AM

jackboy wrote: »

The bill never comes from everyone. It will be paid by the middle class private workers as usual.

Yawn... :rolleyes:

Hector Savage · 19-03-2020 09:48AM

Cases rises in South East Asia again ... lockdowns not working.

or else we need to lockdown till a vaccine is available.

Tacitus Kilgore · 19-03-2020 09:50AM

jackboy wrote: »

The bill never comes from everyone. It will be paid by the middle class private workers as usual.

And we'll pay what's needed if we can keep people alive

deisedevil · 19-03-2020 09:50AM

is_that_so wrote: »

30K kits now here apparently so should be less of an issue. As Henry said there are still pinch points.

Pinch points is putting it mildly. I know of people who are elderly, under care and displaying symptoms who are waiting since Monday to be swabbed! Also problems with people being registered to be swabbed only to find out days later their registration is not on the system any longer. Health care workers displaying the exact symptoms who have been told yesterday that they won't be swabbed until after Sunday at some stage.

I have every faith that they will start to kick on with testing now but I have no faith whatsoever in the numbers we have to date. The testing has been a shambles. We weren't ready to start a proper testing system which is understandable.

Over the last week I watched closely anytime someone in the health authorities was being asked a question with regard to testing. They started to stutter and looked extremely uncomfortable trying to answer. And with good reason, they knew that it was a disaster and the importance of a good testing system early on. I know they are doing their best to catch up but I would worry that it's going to mean we have a far bigger problem as a result.

So the numbers we are getting each day are at least 4-5 days or more behind because of lab capacity issues and delays getting swabs done. And these numbers would be far far higher if we were testing all the cases who are actually displaying symptoms, but we aren't.

Widdensushi · 19-03-2020 09:52AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

My lot? I voted FF, Labour and Ind in the most recent election. :rolleyes:

Lockdown is the only thing that had proven to stop the spread of the virus. Yet we haven't seen a sniff of it. Once the scary numbers hit, Leo will call it and be the nations hero. You can count on it.

it's not a longterm solution, thousands or possibly tens of thousands have it here already, it's about slowing it so that the hospitals can give proper care to the seriously ill

jackboy · 19-03-2020 09:53AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Yawn... :rolleyes:

I take it from your response that you are not a worker.

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 09:53AM

jackboy wrote: »

I take it from your response that you are not a worker.

You're boring. Go away.

Yurt2 · 19-03-2020 09:55AM

jackboy wrote: »

I take it from your response that you are not a worker.

No, YOU'RE a dole scrounger.

weldoninhio · 19-03-2020 09:55AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

it's not a longterm solution, thousands or possibly tens of thousands have it here already, it's about slowing it so that the hospitals can give proper care to the seriously ill

So taking thousands or possibly tens of thousands who may already have it, out of circulation for 14 days, is not a solution?

Best to have them out and about, on buses, trains, Luas spreading it?? Surely the ones that have it and showing no symptoms are better off indoors instead of on public transport, in work etc??

A lockdown would slow down the spread and let the hospitals give proper care, or have I gone mad??

Funsterdelux · 19-03-2020 09:57AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

A friend of mine has covid 19 so im in self isolation now

After 14 days when i come out of isolation and im exposed again to someone who has it, do i have to goninto another 14 days of isolation ?

Stop exposing yourself

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 09:59AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So taking thousands or possibly tens of thousands who may already have it, out of circulation for 14 days, is not a solution?

Best to have them out and about, on buses, trains, Luas spreading it?? Surely the ones that have it and showing no symptoms are better off indoors instead of on public transport, in work etc??

A lockdown would slow down the spread and let the hospitals give proper care, or have I gone mad??

Testing, contact tracing, social distancing and isolation of cases is what they are doing. The argument against a full lockdown is that it is not really successfully sustainable for very long and is a last resort option.

19-03-2020 10:00AM

I'm wondering in terms of kits, don't you need to test negative twice before you can say you're over it?

If so, if that were true, you'd need at least 3 tests per person.
OR do you just ride it out at home and go back after 14 days if you feel ok using your own best judgement?

Widdensushi · 19-03-2020 10:00AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So taking thousands or possibly tens of thousands who may already have it, out of circulation for 14 days, is not a solution?

Best to have them out and about, on buses, trains, Luas spreading it?? Surely the ones that have it and showing no symptoms are better off indoors instead of on public transport, in work etc??

A lockdown would slow down the spread and let the hospitals give proper care, or have I gone mad??

it's not going to be gone when you come out, people won't have immunity built up,I presume at some stage money will run out for the health services etc. There is no longterm result in going to lockdown, it is a last resort when hospitals etc are at maximum capacity. At the moment I think there are 6 seriously ill people in the country

Syncpolice · 19-03-2020 10:01AM

Wtf is up with the dentists,

Are they looking for money as well

pjohnson · 19-03-2020 10:01AM

jackboy wrote: »

The bill never comes from everyone. It will be paid by the middle class private workers as usual.

The victim complex is amazing.

weldoninhio · 19-03-2020 10:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Testing, contact tracing, social distancing and isolation of cases is what they are doing. The argument against a full lockdown is that it is not really successfully sustainable for very long and is a last resort option.

Has that worked in any other country in the world??

As for testing, one of my doctors is out sick since last Wednesday (11th), is still sick with symptoms of the virus and is still waiting to be tested.

mirrorwall14 · 19-03-2020 10:01AM

deisedevil wrote: »

Pinch points is putting it mildly. I know of people who are elderly, under care and displaying symptoms who are waiting since Monday to be swabbed! Also problems with people being registered to be swabbed only to find out days later their registration is not on the system any longer. Health care workers displaying the exact symptoms who have been told yesterday that they won't be swabbed until after Sunday at some stage.

I have every faith that they will start to kick on with testing now but I have no faith whatsoever in the numbers we have to date. The testing has been a shambles. We weren't ready to start a proper testing system which is understandable.

Over the last week I watched closely anytime someone in the health authorities was being asked a question with regard to testing. They started to stutter and looked extremely uncomfortable trying to answer. And with good reason, they knew that it was a disaster and the importance of a good testing system early on. I know they are doing their best to catch up but I would worry that it's going to mean we have a far bigger problem as a result.

So the numbers we are getting each day are at least 4-5 days or more behind because of lab capacity issues and delays getting swabs done. And these numbers would be far far higher if we were testing all the cases who are actually displaying symptoms, but we aren't.

This tallies with what I’m hearing from contacts in a hospital and two GPs. Can’t get tests. Can’t refer for tests. Restricted criteria. Test taking days or not happening. I don’t trust our numbers from tests right now. The only good thing so far is the levels in the icu are low

walshb · 19-03-2020 10:02AM

I’m not afraid to admit it, but when the “highlight” of your day is what the new figure will be...Kind of sad...

Anyone else getting that “buzz?”

Not in a weird way, before any little sensitive souls jump in...

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 10:03AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Has that worked in any other country in the world??

As for testing, one of my doctors is out sick since last Wednesday (11th), is still sick with symptoms of the virus and is still waiting to be tested.

Yep, South Korea seems to be the model but even there it's still not fully clear.

davedanon · 19-03-2020 10:03AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once public opinion goes that way. Leo is a populist, he'll do whatever he thinks makes him look good.

So, in his speech the other night, you think he was just telling us what we want to hear? You really should put your brain into gear before posting inflammatory nonsense.

19-03-2020 10:05AM

Syncpolice wrote: »

Wtf is up with the dentists,

Are they looking for money as well

What do you mean?

Funsterdelux · 19-03-2020 10:06AM

walshb wrote: »

I’m not afraid to admit it, but when the “highlight” of your day is what the new figure will be...Kind of sad...

Anyone else getting that “buzz?”

Not in a weird way, before any little sensitive souls jump in...

Any new information gives your brain a "buzz" whether its good or bad, thats why we're all here or stuck to our phones

deisedevil · 19-03-2020 10:06AM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

This tallies with what I’m hearing from contacts in a hospital and two GPs. Can’t get tests. Can’t refer for tests. Restricted criteria. Test taking days or not happening. I don’t trust our numbers from tests right now. The only good thing so far is the levels in the icu are low

yes, the restricted criteria thing is getting thrown around the whole time. It's ridiculous that at this stage they are refusing to test people because they weren't in "affected region", Ireland is an affected region and community transmission is rampant at this stage. Also, depending on who you get on the phone, you may or may not be tested. There's no consistency at all. It's extremely unclear. For the sake of those trying to manage patients and those displaying symptoms there badly needs to be some clarity around testing asap.

I know someone in ICU who was saying that they can start to see it ramping up now and everyone in there has the feeling that this is about to really kick off.

walshb · 19-03-2020 10:07AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Any new information gives your brain a "buzz" whether its good or bad, thats why we're all here or stuck to our phones

Yes, but this crisis is gripping...

And, of course, the chat here makes it so..

threeball · 19-03-2020 10:07AM

Whats with the death that was basically being reported live on twitter last night. Was she an attention seeker or what. There has being no mention anywhere.

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 10:08AM

threeball wrote: »

Whats with the death that was basically being reported live on twitter last night. Was she an attention seeker or what. There has being no mention anywhere.

There might be another death but at the briefing they said they hadn't received that information yet so couldn't confirm it.

weldoninhio · 19-03-2020 10:09AM

davedanon wrote: »

So, in his speech the other night, you think he was just telling us what we want to hear? You really should put your brain into gear before posting inflammatory nonsense.

No, he was telling us what we’d already heard. There was nothing new in what he told us.

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