CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

joeguevara · 19-03-2020 03:34AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

No they're not!

More total cases = more hospitalisations - pretty much guaranteed!

So how could they be meaningless?

I think the issue is x% of hospitalised cases require Intensive care to survive. If limited number of ICU beds then that is the issue. Not all hospitalisation require intensive care.

Goldengirl · 19-03-2020 03:35AM

tuxy wrote: »

So what is the legal consequences for these countries that "broke rank" ?

Sorry ? Did I say anything about legal consequences ?
I replied to your comment about incompetence.

trapp · 19-03-2020 03:36AM

THE GOOD NEWS

NO NEW CASED IN HUBEI AND RESTRICTIONS IN WUHAN SHOULD BEGIN TO LIFT BY END OF MARCH

WERE ON THE WAY

Of course difficult days ahead for us and a long road for most of Europe but it will pass.

joeguevara · 19-03-2020 03:37AM

trapp wrote: »

Posting about 500, 000 deaths suggests you are.

Picture a nice pint in a packed beer garden on a sunny evening in July.

We'll get there, tough as it will be.

We must be positive and optimistic.

Yes lives will be lost, we know that and hopefully as few as possible.

But we haven't got to worse case scenario and with some luck we might avoid.

I have no idea but maybe our less dense population will help.

And the summer will help too. There will be less pressure on the HSE as other illness will be down.

Apologies. My figure was based on a rough 10% of 5 mil. Forgot our population was more 4.5. I am trying to be optimistic but do have moments of how is this going to get better. Just worried about my parents.

Quantum Erasure · 19-03-2020 03:39AM

kowloon wrote: »

We need to have closed, guarded borders at county level and barbed wire around the ring of the M50 from now on.

that's not quite beyond the pale, but it's getting there

patnor1011 · 19-03-2020 03:40AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

No they're not!

More total cases = more hospitalisations - pretty much guaranteed!

So how could they be meaningless?

Because time has come for quite a few countries to not report real numbers.
Why?
Answer is simple. Politics.

patnor1011 · 19-03-2020 03:41AM

trapp wrote: »

THE GOOD NEWS

NO NEW CASED IN HUBEI AND RESTRICTIONS IN WUHAN SHOULD BEGIN TO LIFT BY END OF MARCH

WERE ON THE WAY

Of course difficult days ahead for us and a long road for most of Europe but it will pass.

Nope.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239183215161683969

trapp · 19-03-2020 03:42AM

A must read for those advocating a ''lockdown''

Lives destroyed.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/coronavirus-xi-wuhan-anger-intl-hnk/index.html

trapp · 19-03-2020 03:44AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Nope.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239183215161683969

Delete as clearly fake news.

Also 4 days old.

Quantum Erasure · 19-03-2020 03:44AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Apologies. My figure was based on a rough 10% of 5 mil. Forgot our population was more 4.5. I am trying to be optimistic ...

where did you hear 10% of the population would die?

trapp · 19-03-2020 03:48AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

where did you hear 10% of the population would die?

He's just making it up.

He actually posted that 500, 000 would die in Ireland from this.

Hysterical madness and completely false and untrue.

Sam Quentin · 19-03-2020 03:50AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Then why have a lockdown at all. Let it infect everyone and accept the 500,000 deaths and everything that will bring. Because that is what you are suggesting. Two weeks means nothing. Unfortunately this strategy is to wait until a vaccine or effective way to immunise is discovered.

What you are asking for will be very similar to a non structural damage atom bomb to strike our Country!?
So just PLEASE BEWARE

patnor1011 · 19-03-2020 03:50AM

trapp wrote: »

Delete as clearly fake news.

Also 4 days old.

Sure. Anyone who believe chinese government, do not have a clue how communist regime operates.

dwayneshintzy · 19-03-2020 03:50AM

trapp wrote: »

A must read for those advocating a ''lockdown''

Lives destroyed.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/coronavirus-xi-wuhan-anger-intl-hnk/index.html

Hong Kong schools have been shut since January, public facilities also shut (though starting to partially re-open), and community spread of the virus had basically been stopped. Recently, almost all new cases are from people returning to HK from abroad, who are being put in mandatory quarantine.

Was Hong Kong wrong to lockdown? Have lives been destroyed in Hong Kong?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 19-03-2020 03:51AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I think the issue is x% of hospitalised cases require Intensive care to survive. If limited number of ICU beds then that is the issue. Not all hospitalisation require intensive care.

It doesn't matter, it's still the same...

The more our total cases rise, the more as % of this will need hospitalisation and ICU facilities. You can predict ICU requirements reasonably accurately, based on total cases of infection. It's the rate and speed of infection that is going to determine whether our healthcare system can cope.

So, our total cases is very far from "meaningless"...

joeguevara · 19-03-2020 03:51AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

where did you hear 10% of the population would die?

Well Italian mortality is currently about 8.6% and our health system is not set up for this. It was an estimate. What would your estimation of herd immunity be?

joeguevara · 19-03-2020 03:54AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

What you are asking for will be very similar to a non structural damage atom bomb to strike our Country!?
So just PLEASE BEWARE

I don’t understand. I a, asking if you only want 2 week lockdown does that mean herd immunity? I don’t know what is the best approach.

tuxy · 19-03-2020 03:55AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Well Italian mortality is currently about 8.6% and our health system is not set up for this. It was an estimate. What would your estimation of herd immunity be?

So you think every Italian citizen has been tested and they actually know how many are infected?

trapp · 19-03-2020 03:57AM

joeguevara wrote: »

I don’t understand. I a, asking if you only want 2 week lockdown does that mean herd immunity? I don’t know what is the best approach.

If you believe a lockdown will cause anything other than devastating social and human cost on this country then you don't understand human behaviour.

dwayneshintzy · 19-03-2020 03:58AM

trapp wrote: »

If you believe a lockdown will cause anything other than devastating social and human cost on this country then you don't understand human behaviour.

If not enforcing lockdown measures resulted in the health service of Ireland being overwhelmed to the level of Italy and Hubei, would you say it was worth it?

Quantum Erasure · 19-03-2020 03:59AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Well Italian mortality is currently about 8.6% and our health system is not set up for this. It was an estimate. What would your estimation of herd immunity be?

60% infection rate, i think the UK were aiming for for herd immunity, (thought you'd need higher myself, but then i thought herd immunity wouldn't be a solution to even aim for)

>Italian mortality is currently about 8.6%

that's of patients who have been tested positive, there'll be a lot 'in the community' either not showing symptoms, or just not tested

joeguevara · 19-03-2020 04:02AM

tuxy wrote: »

So you think every Italian citizen has been tested and they actually know how many are infected?

Apologies. I got my calculation wrong. I am tired and I’m just a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I don’t really know what to think. I will try and have a brighter outlook tomorrow.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 19-03-2020 04:02AM

trapp wrote: »

If you believe a lockdown will cause anything other than devastating social and human cost on this country then you don't understand human behaviour.

Countries have come through worse "lockdowns" and also having their towns and cities flattened to rubble during world wars...

So yes we can lockdown our country, and still come out the other end with a functioning (if injured) economy. The human cost of not doing it, is not even worth considering tbh!

cameramonkey · 19-03-2020 04:03AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19

lots of carriers with no symptoms.

dwayneshintzy · 19-03-2020 04:04AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Countries have come through worse "lockdowns" and also having their towns and cities flattened to rubble during world wars...

So yes we can lockdown our country, and still come out the other end with a functioning (if injured) economy. The human cost of not doing it, is not even worth considering tbh!

What's infuriating is that if the lockdown is successful, there will be people screaming that it wasn't necessary in the first place.

trapp · 19-03-2020 04:10AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What's infuriating is that if the lockdown is successful, there will be people screaming that it wasn't necessary in the first place.

Stick your lockdown where the sun don't shine.

Everybody will do everything we can to stop this virus through choice.

But, never, ever in this country should people be confined to their homes in their own towns by the state.

We will help through choice.

But we will and should never accept a forced lockdown

patnor1011 · 19-03-2020 04:11AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What's infuriating is that if the lockdown is successful, there will be people screaming that it wasn't necessary in the first place.

Countries which went full retard in lockdown are more succesful dealing with this virus.
This virus is just a waiting game. It cant be stopped as it already spread everywhere. At the end, everyone will get it. Couple of scientists and doctors suggested that later mutations may be less virulent and less damaging so the more you protect yourself and your country the better the outcome may be.
Economy was broken even before this and will be repaired. Life will go on.

freshpopcorn · 19-03-2020 04:13AM

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jill_valentine · 19-03-2020 04:16AM

trapp wrote: »

Hear Hear.

Wait until the summer and the sun is shining.

We'll be well on the way to beating the virus and enjoying the sunshine.

Some on here will still be sitting on their laptops, wearing masks and complaining about anyone enjoying themselves.

Do those giving out like old grannies about the teenagers talking to their friends realise how much effort much of the country is making already.

The teenagers will have no school or outlets for a prolonged period, they're doing their best, their only kids.

You're making a lot of big bold statements here that are based entirely on wishy thinking while Italy is having to draft in the army to transport the volume of coffins they fill daily.

trapp · 19-03-2020 04:19AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

You're making a lot of big bold statements here that are based entirely on wishy thinking while Italy is having to draft in the army to transport the volume of coffins they fill daily.

I'm well aware of that.

However some posters on here seem to revel in hysteria.

We had one predicting 500 000 deaths in Ireland.

No harm to have some optimism, however wishy.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP