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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1232
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Why do you think our Government did absolutely nothing in this regard?

    The government will always back some businesses over public interest and their reason for doing so will not be honest.


  • #1233
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    When do you think the flights should have stopped ?
    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    But the EU open borders is the reason the Government gave for not stopping flights.


  • #1234
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    kyote00 wrote: »
    It seems like we would have had to ban all traffic in and out of the country in December to be sure....cases were popping up in UK, Holland, Germany in early Jan

    It would've greatly reduced the spread though. Continuing to allow unimpeded entry from virus hotspots was and is insane.


  • #1235
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    But the EU open borders is the reason the Government gave for not stopping flights.

    No, totally untrue.....'freedom of movement' refers to employment, study etc. Visiting a country is completely different, every EU state has the right to close their borders on health or security grounds.


  • #1236
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    kyote00 wrote: »
    When do you think the flights should have stopped ?

    When the Italian outbreak began. Before the planned rugby match. That's when I said it, I'm not being an arsehole with 20/20 hindsight.


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  • #1237
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    It would've greatly reduced the spread though. Continuing to allow unimpeded entry from virus hotspots was and is insane.

    Different day - same complaint


  • #1238
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,721 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Im still in Spain. Can't afford rent in Ireland so staying put.

    I know a guy who runs a shop there that trades pretty much exclusively with tourists, he can't go back home his trade has been more than decimated. Wish him the best.


  • #1239
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    The cheltenam thing was nuts for sure....

    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    It would've greatly reduced the spread though. Continuing to allow unimpeded entry from virus hotspots was and is insane.


  • #1240
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    tuxy wrote: »
    The government will always back some businesses over public interest and their reason for doing so will not be honest.

    Even then it didn't make sense to me. It was clear that with the way it was spreading, it was going to cost a hell of a lot more by allowing flights continue than it would stopping them. Look what its gonna cost us now!


  • #1241
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Different day - same complaint

    It baffles me how some defend the Government's inaction though.


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  • #1242
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Even then it didn't make sense to me. It was clear that with the way it was spreading, it was going to cost a hell of a lot more by allowing flights continue than it would stopping them. Look what its gonna cost us now!

    There was and is still nothing legally stopping them from doing it under EU law though.
    Perhaps it was simple incompetence.


  • #1243
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Italy first case was Jan 29th

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov?dmax=2020-01-31&f_country=Italy&s=Italy/INMI1-cs/2020
    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    When the Italian outbreak began. Before the planned rugby match. That's when I said it, I'm not being an arsehole with 20/20 hindsight.


  • #1244
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Who said it was restricted to over 65s? Its just killing over 65s alot easier than the young and middle aged. Once the ICU fills up and ventilators become scarce the deaths will be all ages.

    Firstly untrue because the stats in Italy show the average age is 80+ or close to it.

    And secondly why would you post something like that?

    I think more people should be banned from this thread or the thread closed to be honest.

    There are a certain group, who seem to revel in the hysteria and most also have an unhealthy obsession with the word lockdown.

    Well sometime in the, hopefully not too distant, future this virus will have been contained to low numbers, the sun will be shining, the pubs and nightclubs will be packed, the schools open, the parks full, the sporting fields full and handshakes allowed.

    Best of luck to all the healthcare workers and Dr. Holahan etc, with their help we can and will be back to normal sooner than some of you think.

    And stick that bloody lockdown up where the sun don't shine.


  • #1245
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Anyone looking for more than 14 days like this is in denial of the catastrophe that would become of our Country...the good of a lockdown extended to more than a couple of weeks would start to be outweighed and overpowered by the disastrous somewhat unrecoverable MONUMENTAL depressing hardship that would befall all our Citizens...

    PLEASE BEWARE!?


  • #1246
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    trapp wrote: »

    There are a certain group, who seem to revel in the hysteria and most also have an unhealthy obsession with the word lockdown.

    This is very true, there are posters that always disappear for several hours when there is good news only to return as soon as there is bad.


  • #1247
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Anyone looking for more than 14 days like this is in denial of the catastrophe that would become of our Country...the good of a lockdown extended to more than a couple of weeks would start to be outweighed and overpowered by the disastrous somewhat unrecoverable MONUMENTAL depressing hardship that would befall all our Citizens...

    PLEASE BEWARE!?

    Hear Hear.

    Wait until the summer and the sun is shining.

    We'll be well on the way to beating the virus and enjoying the sunshine.

    Some on here will still be sitting on their laptops, wearing masks and complaining about anyone enjoying themselves.

    Do those giving out like old grannies about the teenagers talking to their friends realise how much effort much of the country is making already.

    The teenagers will have no school or outlets for a prolonged period, they're doing their best, their only kids.


  • #1248
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Anyone looking for more than 14 days like this is in denial of the catastrophe that would become of our Country...the good of a lockdown extended to more than a couple of weeks would start to be outweighed and overpowered by the disastrous somewhat unrecoverable MONUMENTAL depressing hardship that would befall all our Citizens...

    PLEASE BEWARE!?

    Then why have a lockdown at all. Let it infect everyone and accept the 500,000 deaths and everything that will bring. Because that is what you are suggesting. Two weeks means nothing. Unfortunately this strategy is to wait until a vaccine or effective way to immunise is discovered.


  • #1249
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    trapp wrote: »
    Hear Hear.

    Wait until the summer and the sun is shining.

    We'll be well on the way to beating the virus and enjoying the sunshine.

    Some on here will still be sitting on their laptops, wearing masks and complaining about anyone enjoying themselves.

    Do those giving out like old grannies about the teenagers talking to their friends realise how much effort much of the country is making already. I hope I am wrong and a rise in temperature gradually will stop it.

    The teenagers will have no school or outlets for a prolonged period, they're doing their best, their only kids.
    South east Asia averaging 33 degrees Celsius is also having an epidemic.hot weather does not affect a new virus. Plenty of literature explaining why.


  • #1250
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Then why have a lockdown at all. Let it infect everyone and accept the 500,000 deaths and everything that will bring. Because that is what you are suggesting. Two weeks means nothing. Unfortunately this strategy is to wait until a vaccine or effective way to immunise is discovered.

    The word lockdown was banned in case you missed it.

    500,000 deaths. Even with not a single restriction that wouldn't happen.

    Once the summer comes we'll be well on the way to victory over this thing.

    You can join the next misery bandwagon that rolls along.


  • #1251
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    tuxy wrote: »
    There was and is still nothing legally stopping them from doing it under EU law though.
    Perhaps it was simple incompetence.

    You're probably right Sir.


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  • #1252
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    kyote00 wrote: »
    Italy first case was Jan 29th

    And?


  • #1253
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    joeguevara wrote: »
    South east Asia averaging 33 degrees Celsius is also having an epidemic.hot weather does not affect a new virus. Plenty of literature explaining why.

    We'll be well on the way to normality by summer.

    Wait and see.

    It will be tough but we'll get there.


  • #1254
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    trapp wrote: »
    The word lockdown was banned in case you missed it.

    500,000 deaths. Even with not a single restriction that wouldn't happen.

    Once the summer comes we'll be well on the way to victory over this thing.

    You can join the next misery bandwagon that rolls along.

    I am not on any misery bandwagon. I hope you’re right.


  • #1255
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    trapp wrote: »
    We'll be well on the way to normality by summer.

    Wait and see.

    It will be tough but we'll get there.

    I hope so.


  • #1256
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tuxy wrote: »
    There was and is still nothing legally stopping them from doing it under EU law though.
    Perhaps it was simple incompetence.

    No . It was EU pressure to stay unified in response.
    Did you not hear Ursula Van Der Leyen giving out about the countries that broke ranks and shut down their borders before the rest of the EU ?
    Then they followed a day after.
    But it had to be discussed debated and agreed by all the states via video conferencing..
    Normally I am pro EU but given the scale of what was at stake it should have been left to each government in each country to decide without undue pressure from EU.
    It was wrong for Ireland not to shut down travel earlier , we were ahead of the curve , now we are catching up with other countries who were infected a couple of weeks before.
    It could have saved a lot of people , time will tell .


  • #1257
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I am not on any misery bandwagon. I hope you’re right.

    Posting about 500, 000 deaths suggests you are.

    Picture a nice pint in a packed beer garden on a sunny evening in July.

    We'll get there, tough as it will be.

    We must be positive and optimistic.

    Yes lives will be lost, we know that and hopefully as few as possible.

    But we haven't got to worse case scenario and with some luck we might avoid.

    I have no idea but maybe our less dense population will help.

    And the summer will help too. There will be less pressure on the HSE as other illness will be down.


  • #1258
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No . It was EU pressure to stay unified in response.
    Did you not hear Ursula Van Der Leyen giving out about the countries that broke ranks and shut down their borders before the rest of the EU ?
    Then they followed a day after.
    But it had to be discussed debated and agreed by all the states via video conferencing..
    Normally I am pro EU but given the scale of what was at stake it should have been left to each government in each country to decide without undue pressure from EU.
    It was wrong for Ireland not to shut down travel earlier , we were ahead of the curve , now we are catching up with other countries who were infected a couple of weeks before.
    It could have saved a lot of people , time will tell .

    So what is the legal consequences for these countries that "broke rank" ?


  • #1259
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,612 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    littlemac1980 wrote: »
    Totally off topic here but:

    What’s the longest thread on Boards history, I’m thinking this one will end up shattering records?

    theres one version of 'Let's count to a million !!' with 100,030 replies showing up in the search, but has been deleted, theres another 5 with just over 10,000, and one with just over 5,000

    in The Nocturnal Forum, theres 21 editions of the 'lair' thread, 20 with between just under 10,000 and 10,500 posts, and one with 12,255


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1090&pp=30&sort=replycount&order=desc&daysprune=-1


  • #1260
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    foxyladyxx wrote: »
    The numbers are meaningless tbh. The ICU numbers are crucial..

    No they're not!

    More total cases = more hospitalisations - pretty much guaranteed!

    So how could they be meaningless?


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  • #1261
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tuxy wrote: »
    This is very true, there are posters that always disappear for several hours when there is good news only to return as soon as there is bad.

    Haha, really ..is there good news?
    A lot of people dip in and out of this thread like myself, because they have lives, work and families outside of it, and it is pretty all consuming.
    Good to take a break now and then!


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