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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Wow that's high. Must be only checking those that are severely affected.

    No they repeatedly said in the update that the original approach at the beginning was to hospitalised everyone who tested positive when asked about the figure being high


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Coronavirus in the United States

    Cases: 9,212

    Deaths: 150

    Recoveries: 106

    Seems to be spiralling out of control.,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Graham wrote: »
    Were there many people with that mistaken understanding?

    People half listen, pick up a tidbit and then run with it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Just watching sky news.

    Still a country in denial.

    Boris is getting away with Brexit because of covid 19 and still making a bolix of it.

    Unbelievable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Coronavirus in the United States

    Cases: 9,212

    Deaths: 150

    Recoveries: 106

    Seems to be spiralling out of control.,

    US Population 300 million. Cases 9000
    Europe population 741 million. Cases 74 000

    It's spiraling alright


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    2960 in Germany. Will this bring Merkel down too? Especially since the German population is a quarter of the Us population yet they have more cases . Also cases per 1 million of population mean Ireland has far more than the Us. Leo is already gone but would this have brought him down?

    Finally Europe has double the population of the Us. The US has 9000 cases while Europe has over 74.000. Will this be the end of Europe?

    Population. Doesn’t. Matter.

    Imagine a country with a population of 10 vs one with a population of 100. The virus won’t move slower in the country with 10, it will just take longer to get through the country with 100.

    Cases per population means nothing. If anything, it gives us a false sense of security. Same trend as Italy means Italy numbers, doesn’t matter that their population is 15x ours. Except that they’ve a health system for 60m people. We don’t. We cannot get complacent on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    Results
    813 adult patients were hospitalised in Jinyintan Hospital or Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital with COVID-19 before Jan 31, 2020. After excluding 613 patients that were still hospitalised or not confirmed by SARS-CoV-2 RNA detection as of Jan 31, 2020, and nine inpatients without available key information in their medical records, we included 191 inpatients (135 from Jinyintan Hospital and 56 from Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital) in the final analysis. 54 patients died during hospitalisation and 137 were discharged.

    The median age of the 191 patients was 56·0 years (IQR 46·0–67·0), ranging from 18 years to 87 years, and most patients were male (table 1). Comorbidities were present in nearly half of patients, with hypertension being the most common comorbidity, followed by diabetes and coronary heart disease (table 1). The most common symptoms on admission were fever and cough, followed by sputum production and fatigue (table 1). Lymphocytopenia occurred in 77 (40%) patients.

    181 (95%) patients received antibiotics and 41 (21%) received antivirals (lopinavir/ritonavir; table 2). Systematic corticosteroid and intravenous immuno-globulin use differed significantly between non-survivors
    and survivors (table 2). The comparison of characteristics, treatment, and outcomes of patients from the two hospitals are shown in the appendix (pp 2–4).

    The median time from illness onset (ie, before admission)to discharge was 22·0 days (IQR 18·0–25·0), whereas the median time to death was 18·5 days (15·0–22·0; table 2). 32 patients required invasive mechanical ventilation, of
    whom 31 (97%) died. The median time from illness onset to invasive mechanical ventilation was 14·5 days (12·0–19·0). Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation was used in three
    patients, none of whom survived. Sepsis was the most frequently observed complication, followed by respiratory failure, ARDS, heart failure, and septic shock (table 2). Half of non-survivors experienced a secondary infection, and ventilator-associated pneumonia occurred in ten (31%) of 32 patients requiring invasive mechanical ventilation. The frequency of complications were higher in non-survivors than survivors (table 2).

    Such a horrific and sad thought. 32 people put on iron lung machines and all but one of them died regardless.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    2960 in Germany. Will this bring Merkel down too? Especially since the German population is a quarter of the Us population yet they have more cases . Also cases per 1 million of population mean Ireland has far more than the Us. Leo is already gone but would this have brought him down?

    Finally Europe has double the population of the Us. The US has 9000 cases while Europe has over 74.000. Will this be the end of Europe?

    Us has its head up its ass.
    Only really starting to test now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    We don't know the death rate so the confirmed cases mean nothing really. It's amount in ICU and deaths.

    We could have 15,000 but the death rate may be 0.3%. That wouldn't see the health system swamped.

    We just need to wait and see, confirmed cases mean very little at this stage.

    Ireland has 249 ICU beds as per a 2019 report. 249/15,000 = 1.6%
    If more than 1.6% of cases require ICU then we don't have enough beds at this point.
    This calculation also doesn't factor in that there are people who don't have COVID-19 who may need ICU beds.
    I believe that the number of cases that need ICU has been reported to be roughly 2% so this will be the point where those needing ICU will begin to exceed the capacity.

    Although confirmed cases may mean nothing to you, it's probably one of the key indications we have that helps us understand at what point our hospitals will be swamped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    bekker wrote: »
    The other shoe has finally dropped.

    Two thirds of cases are younger than 55, with almost one in four people with the virus aged between 35 and 44.
    Irish Examiner - this evening.

    This is NOT restricted to over 65s.

    It's been know since the beginning that anyone can get the virus. But, you are more susceptible to the worst case scenario if you're elderly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,223 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Will we ever get to the case of going back to normal with the virus still around

    The flu will always be around and we have been living with it side by side


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Us has its head up its ass.
    Only really starting to test now

    UK are still lagging behind US.

    They are gonna be hit bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    bekker wrote: »
    The other shoe has finally dropped.

    Two thirds of cases are younger than 55, with almost one in four people with the virus aged between 35 and 44.
    Irish Examiner - this evening.

    This is NOT restricted to over 65s.

    EDIT: been mentioned several times already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Will we ever get to the case of going back to normal with the virus still around

    The flu will always be around and we have been living with it side by side

    The flu has nothing on this virus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    bekker wrote: »
    The other shoe has finally dropped.

    Two thirds of cases are younger than 55, with almost one in four people with the virus aged between 35 and 44.
    Irish Examiner - this evening.

    This is NOT restricted to over 65s.

    It was never said that only over 65s get infected though? It’s that it’s more likely to be severe in somebody elderly and/or immunocompromised. I haven’t read anywhere saying that immunocompromised or elderly people are the most likely to get it. Absolutely anyone can be infected, even children though rare. The high recovery rates likely reflect people in robust health getting it and recovering.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Us has its head up its ass.
    Only really starting to test now

    Right ok.
    Trump is bad. I get it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    In Thread six I stated the below :

    isinova-3d-print-e1584221514939-780x470.jpg



    NOW a medical device manufacturer, the creator of the valve has threatened to sue the group of volunteers who saved so many lives. And because of this the creator of the 3D file used to recreate the valve, will not share the fule to other hospitals that are need of them. The valve roughly cost the volunteers €1 to make while the valve is sold by the US manufacturer markets for €10,000. Why am I not surprised. Source

    Such F*ckery

    I’d be saying ‘sue me’ and put the design on the www for everyone and anyone to copy. Screw them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    UK, US and Netherlands numbers are way worse than currently being reported due to lack of testing and the barriers for people to get readings i.e. US

    Btw anyone trying to be complimentary to Trump, he's on record as trying to buy a vaccine and making it exclusive to his country, he's an immoralist grade A prick for that alone...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    UK have admitted its rising quicker than they anticipated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,348 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Only 3 deaths from 360+ is good though, isn't it? Relatively speaking, of course. It's still very sad for the families impacted.

    Tell me it's good. I need something positive to latch on to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Only 3 deaths from 360+ is good though, isn't it? Relatively speaking, of course. It's still very sad for the families impacted.

    Tell me it's good. I need something positive to latch on to.

    It is positive enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Graham wrote: »
    Were there many people with that mistaken understanding?
    Judging from previous posts in this forum, yes there were. There was as sense of invulnerably amongst presumably younger posters.

    They need to be aware the thought mostly hit with mild symptoms, some are aren't, die or end up with impaired lung function.

    Ireland has a very high percentage of undiagnosed hypertension across all age ranges in comparison with other developed countries.

    That is the leading cause of death from underlying conditions with COVID-19.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    2960 in Germany. Will this bring Merkel down too? Especially since the German population is a quarter of the Us population yet they have more cases . Also cases per 1 million of population mean Ireland has far more than the Us. Leo is already gone but would this have brought him down?

    Finally Europe has double the population of the Us. The US has 9000 cases while Europe has over 74.000. Will this be the end of Europe?

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html

    The US have tested 25,000 specimens tested
    Italy alone has 134,000 tests. (5.3x)

    Without understanding how many people have been tested for in the entire population you probably shouldn't compare the numbers directly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Will we ever get to the case of going back to normal with the virus still around

    The flu will always be around and we have been living with it side by side

    The Virus will fade away after a while & a Vacine will be out.

    Going to be a long 6-9 months though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Hi guys, what do you think of this. A friend of mine works for the NDLS and he said a lot of old people are coming in to renew their licence, they have to go to the gp if over 70 to get a form signed. He said some of their licences are not due for renewal for a few months, when challenged about it and why they are out they either have a sceptic view of the whole covid 19 pandemic or just say they are entitled etc. He feels that they really dont give a toss and whilest everybody is saying how vunerable etc they are, a lot of them couldnt give a monkeys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sky news with death charts.

    Glad I'm in Ireland.

    They are just treating it as an experiment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Stheno wrote: »
    No they repeatedly said in the update that the original approach at the beginning was to hospitalised everyone who tested positive when asked about the figure being high

    Ciara Kelly, and I'm sure others are not hospitalized.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/nyc-mayor-pushes-for-shelter-in-place-order-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-to-almost-1900.html
    Cases in NYC grow to almost 2000, I think this is the fastest growth in any city in the world so far


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    2960 in Germany. Will this bring Merkel down too? Especially since the German population is a quarter of the Us population yet they have more cases . Also cases per 1 million of population mean Ireland has far more than the Us. Leo is already gone but would this have brought him down?

    Finally Europe has double the population of the Us. The US has 9000 cases while Europe has over 74.000. Will this be the end of Europe?

    No


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