CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP

c.p.w.g.w · 18-03-2020 10:43AM

nthclare wrote: »

Some smart prick changed the sign for INAGH in Clare

To CHINAGH

Down with that sort of thing

Its kind of funny though isn't it

Thats old news

caveat emptor · 18-03-2020 10:44AM

Thinking of venturing out to supermarket. Article from BBC summarises my main concerns.

droplets could be in air for 3 hours after a cough
can survive on plastic up to 24 hours
can survivce on carboard.

I'm not spreading panic as I guess the BBC isn't trying to do that either.
I try to be a hyper realist and it gives me comfort when I'm real about that situation and face it knowingly. So here's what I'm going to do to confront that reality.

wear a respirator mask
wear gloves
wear goggles
immediately take off clothes which I wore in supermarket
leave items outside and disinfect packets and packaging I take into house.

Feel free to call me mental but evidence is mounting

"Like many respiratory viruses, including flu, Covid-19 can be spread in tiny droplets released from the nose and mouth of an infected person as they cough. A single cough can produce up to 3,000 droplets. These particles can land on other people, clothing and surfaces around them, but some of the smaller particles can remain in the air. There is also some evidence that the virus is also shed for longer in faecal matter, so anyone not washing their hands thoroughly after visiting the toilet could contaminate anything they touch."

Their study, which has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that the virus could survive in droplets for up to three hours after being coughed out into the air.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/aerosols/pdfs/Aerosol_101.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200317-covid-19-how-long-does-the-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext

Irish_peppa · 18-03-2020 10:44AM

What happens when the next virus comes out of China with a 50% mortality rate !
after this nightmare is over the world needs a serious conversation about this eating wild animals crack !

nthclare · 18-03-2020 10:45AM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Thats old news

Is that so, well I only heard it this morning in the canteen, I thought it was funny anyhow

Kivaro · 18-03-2020 10:45AM

Irish_peppa wrote: »

My NCT is due i think im going to take my chances and keep driving, If a cop wants to give me penalty points fine. ill just use cars in emergency life or death only. im in total lockdown

It doesn't make sense to put people like you under unnecessary pressure during these trying times.

As I said earlier, it makes sense to temporarily suspend testing now, as we all wait for the inevitable surge of this virus. The virus is spread mainly by contact; are NCT employees changing gloves after each inspection? Are they sanitising their testing gear after each inspection?
And it is bewildering that Covid-19 is not even mentioned during the booking process. Very odd. It gives the impression that the NCT focus is financial.

18-03-2020 10:45AM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

ok, so layoffs are inevitable in my place, at least temporarily. We are reviewing it week by week but in the meantime we are going to try pay people their €203 euro a week social welfare to get them paid and keep them out of dole offices

What is the procedure for this, I have downloaded the social welfare 1 page form that Regina O Doherty announced but what do we do? I also think this is the wrong form to be honest, is there a special one for when employers are paying the €203 so we can claim it back??

It’s a one sheet form and it’s titled COVID 19

Sorry, I’m pages behind so may have been answered.

Drumpot · 18-03-2020 10:46AM

donaghs wrote: »

Key workers dying? 1 in 5 chance of being hospitalized? what are you on about?

Most people seem to experience a mild flu. For some the symptoms are so mild they never even realised they had it.
Sure, protect the elderly and vulnerable, but lets not panic and lie to ourselves about how dangerous this is the general public.

Mild may not be as mild as you think, here’s a HSE Doctor on the AMA forum right now explain “mild”

Mild: Doesn’t need hospitalisation. You may feel really sick, you may need home nebulisers, you may be on antibiotics. Doesn’t matter, if you don’t need hospital then you’re mild. Generally when people say they’re severely ill at home we don’t contradict them (since they certainly feel very ill) but in our minds you’re all mildly ill with varying levels of whining ;-). Doctors and nurses’ families will tell you how little sympathy they get from us when they tell us they’re sick. We’re the epitome of “If you aren’t hospitalised then you’re fine” even in general life most of the time

So “mild” is anything that doesn’t end up in hospital, not necessarily a walk in the park....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 18-03-2020 10:47AM

Nermal wrote: »

Like I said, driven by emotion. All of us, parents or not, have to die of something.

Our economy will recover pre-crisis levels of GDP - but we will never get back the lost output. The debt we will generate will last for generations. Capital will be destroyed, investment will dry up. Young people will suffer reduced earnings their entire lives because of this.

Lives are precious, but they’re not priceless.

Ah yeah, as a 36 year old immunocompromised person, I’ve had a good run. :rolleyes:

Will you ever go and shite? Yes, we all die but most people want to maximise their time on earth before that happens.

Anyone who trots out the trite, facile “Sure we all die sometimes” in relation to sick people needs to be shot with tightly-compacted balls of their own excrement. Dopes.

gabeeg · 18-03-2020 10:47AM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1240226145909555202?s=20

Researchers at the respected Sharif University of Technology in Tehran have created a computer simulator to test different scenarios for the further spread of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, across Iran. They concluded that in a best-case scenario — in which the government quarantines all high-risk areas, people strictly obey quarantine rules, and access to sufficient medical supplies is guaranteed — the country would reach the peak of the epidemic in roughly one week, and the death toll would exceed 12,000.

Yet that scenario is unrealistic in all three instances: The government can't impose quarantine, people will not obey quarantine rules, and the medical supply situation is catastrophic thanks to US sanctions and chronic mismanagement.

Accounting for those realities, the researchers estimate Iran will not reach the peak of the epidemic until late May, and they estimate as many as 3.5 million people could die as a result.

https://www.dw.com/en/iran-faces-catastrophic-death-toll-from-coronavirus/a-52811895

1800_Ladladlad · 18-03-2020 10:47AM

The mother, she works in Marks and spencer where told this morning before the store opened that they are not allowed to wear gloves and they will be allowed to go off the floor to wash their hands every half hour. No explanation has been given.

18-03-2020 10:48AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Any indication of ages of those front line staff?

Can't remember breakdown of ages. It was on a conference call with an ICU team in Gemelli. There was some cases of 20-30 age staff in severe condition in Italy.

cj maxx · 18-03-2020 10:49AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Disagree. It was exactly what we needed to hear. A lot of people still don’t get it. We can’t rely on the common sense of everybody. Some people aren’t using common sense.

Also, he’s getting far more praise than stick for the speech.

The calm before the storm before the surge were the words he used. Some people just don't understand that

spookwoman · 18-03-2020 10:49AM

gabeeg wrote: »

https://www.dw.com/en/iran-faces-catastrophic-death-toll-from-coronavirus/a-52811895

country is fecked with sanctions as it is

RandomName2 · 18-03-2020 10:50AM

Deaths have been around 350 each day for the last three days in Italy. Also around 3,000 new cases each day for the last three days in Italy.

Hopefully most of this will be from the period before the lockdown. We should hopefully see a sharp decrease in new cases (and consequently deaths) in Italy soon, provided the lockdown is adhered to.

iwillyeah1234 · 18-03-2020 10:50AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I watched it with my wife and 3 young boys (oldest is 11) and they particularly perked up when he told children to think about their parents. At the end I said “superb, we are in good hands everybody” and I really believe it. Regardless of how bad this gets, I can’t imagine a much better response from the people leading us right now. We are following what WHO and De Aylward said from the start and part of that was to educate your population and bring them with you. Get them on board, get them to be your feet on the ground. If we all comply and come together we stand a much better chance of getting through this. I really can’t write enough on why they are doing such a good job for me....

In the UK, they are going to rush through an emergency powers bill on Thursday (tommorow). The Emergency Coronavirus Bill.

I suspect the Irish government will do the same - hence Coveney's "get home by Thursday".

Robert Peston tweets:
"There has never in my lifetime been a law that so encroached on our civil liberties and basic rights as the Coronavirus Bill"

and

"huge. It covers everything from burials, to holding those who threaten national security for longer, to closing borders, to detaining those with mental health issues, to empowering the police to quarantine those with the virus, and much more. This is...wartime stuff. "

jamesf85 · 18-03-2020 10:50AM

How many people are unemployed now?

How does this look for the world economy if it continues for 2-3 months?

Will the EU have funds to bail countries like Ireland out? If so how? If not why?

10000maniacs · 18-03-2020 10:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm just sayin...where are our songs?

Get your act together Bono :pac:

What about the people of Holland? That's where U2 do their taxes.

Ger Roe · 18-03-2020 10:51AM

Kivaro wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to put people like you under unnecessary pressure during these trying times.

As I said earlier, it makes sense to temporarily suspend testing now, as we all wait for the inevitable surge of this virus. The virus is spread mainly by contact; are NCT employees changing gloves after each inspection? Are they sanitising their testing gear after each inspection?
And it is bewildering that Covid-19 is not even mentioned during the booking process. Very odd. It gives the impression that the NCT focus is financial.

The only relevant reference on the NCT site says that it is continuing as normal with precautions being taken in the centres.

Surely it has to stop - what if a person dropping their car in sneezes all over the dash before getting there, or a tester does the same thing before they hand it back? The drive in virus test centre in Croker is staffed by people in full hazard gear, can't see the NCT testers operating like that.

I wouldn't be rushing to get an NCT done now, if it was due and if I was a tester I don't think I would continue working either.

ironingbored · 18-03-2020 10:51AM

Lot of people asking why we haven't had a complete lockdown in Ireland.

Only analogy I can think of is an NFL game. You've got a playbook (WHO) and you don't use all your plays in the 1st Quarter.

This is a 4 Quarter game.

Other countries are already throwing hail marys.

Irish_peppa · 18-03-2020 10:51AM

Is a basin of dettol mixed with water of any use in the hallway when housemates arrive home to plunge their hands into? Or would it have to be changed everyday I have just one bottle of dettol was thinking to leave it there for a week at a time then refill it

solidasarock · 18-03-2020 10:51AM

Irish_peppa wrote: »

What happens when the next virus comes out of China with a 50% mortality rate !
after this nightmare is over the world needs a serious conversation about this eating wild animals crack !

The one thing that will come out of this is we are going to be taking this stuff super seriously going forward.

...........for at least a few years. Politics gonna politic

iwillyeah1234 · 18-03-2020 10:52AM

Main areas of the UK coronavirus bill ( due to be tabled and passed tommorow):

The bill enables action in 5 key areas:

increasing the available health and social care workforce – for example, by removing barriers to allow recently retired NHS staff and social workers to return to work (and in Scotland, in addition to retired people, allowing those who are on a career break or are social worker students to become temporary social workers)

easing the burden on frontline staff – by reducing the number of administrative tasks they have to perform, enabling local authorities to prioritise care for people with the most pressing needs, allowing key workers to perform more tasks remotely and with less paperwork, and taking the power to suspend individual port operations

containing and slowing the virus – by reducing unnecessary social contacts, for example through powers over events and gatherings, and strengthening the quarantine powers of police and immigration officers

managing the deceased with respect and dignity – by enabling the death management system to deal with increased demand for its services

supporting people – by allowing them to claim Statutory Sick Pay from day one, and by supporting the food industry to maintain supplies

facehugger99 · 18-03-2020 10:53AM

Lets see how we run a Health Service when the tax-receipts dry up. It's costing €20bn a year for a sh;te one at the moment so let's see what we get for €10bn a year for the next decade.

How many lives will that cost?

Presumably the 'fcuk the economy' brigade will have gone to ground by then.

RugbyLad11 · 18-03-2020 10:53AM

Irish_peppa wrote: »

What happens when the next virus comes out of China with a 50% mortality rate !
after this nightmare is over the world needs a serious conversation about this eating wild animals crack !

A virus with such a high death rate wouldn't spread fast

Sardonicat · 18-03-2020 10:53AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

There are not enough carers to have the same 2 people going solely to you father. I really don’t know what you think the hse helpline is going to do for you.

If you’re worried then I’m afraid that you’re gonna have to take on the role yourself. Sorry to be blunt.

I never asked for more carers! I am asking they get adequate personal protective clothing given that they cannot, by the nature of their work, practice social distancing! Try reading the posts. And I AM his carer. This isolation that's been happening for a few days for people, that's been my life for 3.5 years.

begbysback · 18-03-2020 10:54AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

The mother, she works in Marks and spencer where told this morning before the store opened that they are not allowed to wear gloves and they will be allowed to go off the floor to wash their hands every half hour. No explanation has been given.

Doesn’t make sense at all, the typical shopper in that shop would be considered people at risk, wearing gloves is a precaution against passing from one person to another.

RugbyLad11 · 18-03-2020 10:54AM

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Is a basin of dettol mixed with water of any use in the hallway when housemates arrive home to plunge their hands into? Or would it have to be changed everyday I have just one bottle of dettol was thinking to leave it there for a week at a time then refill it

Just wash your hands with bloody soap and water!

Syncpolice · 18-03-2020 10:54AM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Back to work tonight myself...

Company have implemented measures of social distancing...takes an hour for everyone to get into the factory...but while people are waiting to get in, they are huddled together outside:(

But we need to wear ear protection on the floor, so very hard to hear, so people are within a few CM's while talking/communicating on the floor...

I'm currently isolating myself* from the outside world as it is as a precaution, so my only interactions are going to be work and the shops(once a week)

*Not isolating due to contact/symptoms but just to reduce my social contact

Window dressing will be a feature in all this

Self motivated and profit motivated people will want to appear to be taking measures

sdanseo · 18-03-2020 10:54AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Mild may not be as mild as you think, here’s a HSE Doctor on the AMA forum right now explain “mild”

Mild: Doesn’t need hospitalisation. You may feel really sick, you may need home nebulisers, you may be on antibiotics. Doesn’t matter, if you don’t need hospital then you’re mild. Generally when people say they’re severely ill at home we don’t contradict them (since they certainly feel very ill) but in our minds you’re all mildly ill with varying levels of whining ;-). Doctors and nurses’ families will tell you how little sympathy they get from us when they tell us they’re sick. We’re the epitome of “If you aren’t hospitalised then you’re fine” even in general life most of the time

So “mild” is anything that doesn’t end up in hospital, not necessarily a walk in the park....

To be fair he also describes whinging and no sympathy.

The entitled generation (myself included no doubt) are too quick to seek medical care for illnesses that don't require it. This, hopefully, will be similar for almost everyone, with the notable exception that they'll stay home.

One thing's for sure it will open a massive discussion about our healthcare capacity and A&E utilisation when all is said and done.

beggars_bush · 18-03-2020 10:55AM

solidasarock wrote: »

The one thing that will come out of this is we are going to be taking this stuff super seriously going forward.

...........for at least a few years. Politics gonna politic

Exactly
At first sign of a contagion, it'll be
SHUT EVERY AIRPORT

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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) Read OP